Maybe we should recruit a bunch of athletic wing players and shooters to run our offense even quicker next year. Oh, good, we already did.
30 sec shot clock next year.
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Coach TV Camera was in the film room, where he felt most comfortable, and thinking about what to do with his ailing offense. The team just wasn't scoring enough points! Oh, sure they'd won ten games in a row but there were some empty seats in the arena! What to do...then it hit him like a Nielson rating!
Rushing like a broadcast signal from a satellite, Coach Camera burst onto the practice facility paid for with his money and named after a restaurant chain. He screamed, "All that stuff I said about three passes and screens and picks and setting up the big guy!?!?! FORGET IT!!!! From now on the first guy with the ball to cross the half court line takes a shot!!!
Rushing like a broadcast signal from a satellite, Coach Camera burst onto the practice facility paid for with his money and named after a restaurant chain. He screamed, "All that stuff I said about three passes and screens and picks and setting up the big guy!?!?! FORGET IT!!!! From now on the first guy with the ball to cross the half court line takes a shot!!!
Better late than never on the shot clock. Next I want to see the lanes like they are in Europe, it would help with the spacing and wouldn't clog things up as much in the post.
Although, Iowa won't have a center on the floor for ALL 40 minutes a game next year, which will be nice.
Although, Iowa won't have a center on the floor for ALL 40 minutes a game next year, which will be nice.
While I'm all for anything that will allow increased scoring, a quicker shot clock isn't needed. What's needed is to change the uber-physical play that is allowed and open up the driving lanes. They clean up that, a lot of coaching philosophies will change as a result. You'll see a lot more driving and getting to the rim, driving and kicking out for open looks, open passing lanes to hit guys posting up inside and not getting pushed out of the lane. When the defense is allowed to grab, push, body their man out of position and the offense is allowed to stiff arm and arm bar the defense, it muddies up the game. When it's allowed and coaches can take advantage of that, they're stupid not to if it gets them wins.
Go back and look at B1G scoring from the 80's and compare it to now. The current B1G style of play has only existed for the last 15-18 years or so, it used to be a wide open, high scoring league. I want to go back to those wide open, high scoring games. People wonder how the 1970 team could average 100 ppg for the B1G season. Guess what, it had nothing to do with shot clocks, 3 pt shots, higher shooting % or lack of defense. It had to do with refs calling fouls that were committed and coaches having the philosophy that scoring points was good.
Go back and look at B1G scoring from the 80's and compare it to now. The current B1G style of play has only existed for the last 15-18 years or so, it used to be a wide open, high scoring league. I want to go back to those wide open, high scoring games. People wonder how the 1970 team could average 100 ppg for the B1G season. Guess what, it had nothing to do with shot clocks, 3 pt shots, higher shooting % or lack of defense. It had to do with refs calling fouls that were committed and coaches having the philosophy that scoring points was good.
If they called the game like you said (aka; correctly) you'd have to allow Michigan State 25 on the roster so they'd be able to have 5 on the floor at the end of the game.
If they'd start calling the game that way, and stick with it for an entire season, the likes of MSU wouldn't need 25 players because they would adjust. When they do it short term, like in the tourney this year, they don't have time to adjust. But if they continue long term, players and coaches WILL adjust. If they don't, then too freaking bad, foul them all out.
This should (in theory) play to Iowa's advantage given the type of recruits Fran is bringing in. With a number of 6'5" - 6'7" bodies, he can implement a 3/4 court press and drop back into an extended 2-3 zone... would force opposing teams to start their offense late in the shot clock. Only challenge would be boxing out on the long rebounds.
It would be nice if the B1G actually made MSU, PSU, and Purdue play defense without bumping and hand checking, but I wouldn't hold my breath. 30-sec shot clock will have some impact at the end of games, allowing more possessions to possibly come back. Ball movement and having players who can break down the opposing defense have always been important. It is nice that we are upgrading our athleticism, but the Hawks still need to recruit some players who can defend the rim and get rebounds.
I hope the NCAA also extends the "no-charge" circle around the basket to help cut down on the flopping around the basket.
I'd also like to see them assess a technical to the flopper and allow the player that made contact to kick the flopper in the pills.
This just seems like an obvious and clumsy way to say that scoring has increased even though the style of play remains the same.
It's about time, anything to get teams from stalling with 10 minutes left in the game. It cant hurt, most college teams run false motion for 25 seconds with a ball screen at the end of the shot clock. This will at least speed up that process by 5 seconds. I don't know who wouldn't want to see as many possessions as possible. As others have stated spacing is the biggest issue IMO. Widen the lane and move the three point line back, of course that assumes college players will learn to consistently hit a jump shot as well.
College players used to be able to hit jump shots then the NCAA started playing with the rules. They also used to be able to run without needing eight television timeouts and five more for each team just to catch their breath. As to scoring that has been addressed with several comments about the way the game is officiated. It's no wonder post players are trying to play facing the basket, they get sick of beating each other up all game long.
I'm going to miss about ten plays a game that would have been a lob to someone like White, or five passes..point to center, center to corner, corner to wing, wing to point and right back to the wing cutting to the hole for a layup. Five passes, the ball never touched the ground, and it was beautiful basketball. Instead I know I'll get to see somebody settle for a forced shot. About ten more times a game.
Possessions will go up but they will be crummy possessions with one on one crud.
I know, it's just my opinion, but last season with all the violence was tough to watch. And now we're talking about speeding things up. Oh yeah, that should draw teams out of their zone.
The way to draw teams out of their zone is to make them pay by hitting shots. That was a task the 2014/15 edition just wasn't up to. We'll see if the Hawks win more games next year, but it's essentially guaranteed Iowa will be a better jump shooting team. Given there is less time to swing the ball, zone defenses may become more prevalent next season. Shooters should have a hey day. That may create a clamor for the trey line to move back, although the whole point was to increase scoring.
The biggest problem is stoppage in play. There is no need for both teams to get 5 timeouts in a televised game. 4 timeouts is more than enough, and, I'd be in favor of 3 TV breaks at 15, 10 and 5 a half, with each being a minute longer than the 16, 12, 8, and 4. Since TV pays the bills, you can keep the same advertising inventory, but increase halftime an extra 3 to 5 minutes, and run the ads, then.
The biggest problem is stoppage in play. There is no need for both teams to get 5 timeouts in a televised game. 4 timeouts is more than enough, and, I'd be in favor of 3 TV breaks at 15, 10 and 5 a half, with each being a minute longer than the 16, 12, 8, and 4. Since TV pays the bills, you can keep the same advertising inventory, but increase halftime an extra 3 to 5 minutes, and run the ads, then.
Even the college women's teams have a 30 second shot clock. Seems strange to me the men's shot cloock wouldn't be the same or shorter. There are way to many fouls called right now. Games used to be over in less than two hours in regulation and now most games are running much longer.
Many players shoot from way behind the three point line now and those players will be better prepared for the NBA three.
Many players shoot from way behind the three point line now and those players will be better prepared for the NBA three.
I like the adjustment to 30. 24 would be too short, IMO.
Now if they would just reduce the amount of timeouts... That's my bigger gripe. It kills the end of games and drives casual viewers insane.
Now if they would just reduce the amount of timeouts... That's my bigger gripe. It kills the end of games and drives casual viewers insane.
With the millions that advertisers shell out each year, the TOs will only increase and get longer. The powers that be in all televised sports keep talking about increasing the pace of the games, then allow TV (which runs the games) to make commercials longer and more frequent. A huge gorilla that can't be moved unless the whole system collapses.
Maybe not the whole game, but, say, the last 4 min of the half or the game? Sure thing, along with a restart of the shot clock. Defense fouls, offense retains possession with a new shot clock. You foul a great s
Dan you act like teams are running their offense for all 35 seconds. I can't count how many times I just see a point guard standing at the top of the key while the over controlling coach tries to run another set that won't work. This will make teams initiate their offense quicker so I don't have to watch people stand around. This won't fix alot of the problems but if you have an efficient offense there is no way you need 35 seconds to get a good look.
IMO college players overall aren't skilled enough to be able to space the floor properly which is the biggest issue but I agree the game needs to be called differently. Problem is college refs aren't smart enough to decipher between contact that is affecting the game/offensive player and incidental contact that they can let go to help the flow of the game. It's either they call everything like 2 years ago or nothing and they can't find that happy medium that the NBA has.
Thanks for the conversation butter, I respect your thoughts but I can keep digging up old videos of when basketball was fun to watch like I did on another thread.
Back in the day when players had skills, fundamentals, and frankly would blow out modern teams in a game called like the rules say it should be. I'd laugh while nearly 300 lb fat kids fall on the floor trying to run for five minutes. And I'd enjoy watching good shooters score from everywhere on the court while modern day weight lifters who body built until their shot was ruined are searching for the nonexistent three point line which is the only place on the court they ever shoot from. And, I know, they need all those muscles to beat up on the other team these days.
Speaking of standing around! What else are those three point specialists going to do but jog around a bit until they end up back at their line to fire off a prayer?
I'm not acting like anything. I'm rapidly becoming much like the 2/3rds of people who called college basketball their favorite sport in the 1980's, that DON'T anymore. From 9% of sports fans in the 80's saying college basketball was their favorite, to 3% today. And getting smaller.
When the game drops to a 30 second clock, we'll see how many forced and frankly pathetic shot attempts are put up. And when it still doesn't cure ugly I'll dig up some more fun videos from the past. Here's a good one, from the 1950's! And it is still more fun to watch than today's iceless hockey games.
Watch the way that game was played. By the way, again, no shot clock.
You mention coaches calling set plays that don't work. What else are they going to try while their guys are getting mugged?
So we lower the shot clock, guys still get mugged, and things will just get worse. By the way, I don't get excited watching just dunks and three point shots...there is much more to the game, or used to be.
Back in the day when players had skills, fundamentals, and frankly would blow out modern teams in a game called like the rules say it should be. I'd laugh while nearly 300 lb fat kids fall on the floor trying to run for five minutes. And I'd enjoy watching good shooters score from everywhere on the court while modern day weight lifters who body built until their shot was ruined are searching for the nonexistent three point line which is the only place on the court they ever shoot from. And, I know, they need all those muscles to beat up on the other team these days.
Speaking of standing around! What else are those three point specialists going to do but jog around a bit until they end up back at their line to fire off a prayer?
I'm not acting like anything. I'm rapidly becoming much like the 2/3rds of people who called college basketball their favorite sport in the 1980's, that DON'T anymore. From 9% of sports fans in the 80's saying college basketball was their favorite, to 3% today. And getting smaller.
When the game drops to a 30 second clock, we'll see how many forced and frankly pathetic shot attempts are put up. And when it still doesn't cure ugly I'll dig up some more fun videos from the past. Here's a good one, from the 1950's! And it is still more fun to watch than today's iceless hockey games.
Watch the way that game was played. By the way, again, no shot clock.
You mention coaches calling set plays that don't work. What else are they going to try while their guys are getting mugged?
So we lower the shot clock, guys still get mugged, and things will just get worse. By the way, I don't get excited watching just dunks and three point shots...there is much more to the game, or used to be.
I agree with this. At the end of the day cash is king with the NCAA and the P5 conferences with big TV deals. I also think somehow this has to be fixed in conjunction with cleaning up all of the contact, otherwise everyone will be complaining that the games just take too long (even moreso than now). You keep extending/increasing the dead ball periods and then start calling fouls when they should be called and it just continues to add to the time it takes to play the game.
I would agree with this, even as someone else said if it's only for the last "x" minutes of each half.
Real dumb Idea here. So limit the commercials and charge more for them? Again, from 9% of sports fans saying college basketball was their favorite sport in the 1980's, to three percent today and continuing to shrink. Something is killing the Golden Goose...just makes smart business sense to quit letting it bleed out.
That's certainly possible if they improve the product to the point where advertisers are willing to pay increased rates. I'm just saying it's tough to just address one of the issues being discussed without addressing others, or it will only create new issues.
I agree FranklinHawk. I'm just being what I'd call "blow back", a disgruntled fan feeling the game moving further way from what I grew up loving. I'm most likely in the minority as to the game I want to watch...and probably not even part of the 2/3rds that have already left. Maybe they wanted NBA lite and got tired of waiting?
Quick question, unlikely I know, but has your moniker got anything to do with the once thriving town of Franklin, Iowa?
Quick question, unlikely I know, but has your moniker got anything to do with the once thriving town of Franklin, Iowa?
IMO, the NCAA has ruined their own game. Coaches have to coach and recruit players to fit the way things are called, and players have to play the way things are called. Was it the game that forced the officiating to change or the officiating that forced the game to change? Either way the NCAA had the control and decided to let it "fall" to what it is now; chuck it from deep or throw it down and try to make sure someone is under you so it looks good on TV.
I do allow that they had to 'stay modern' to keep the nanosecond attention span of today's public with "hey look, a 3-point shot", "hey look, we'll move it back so it's even more cool". Don't call palming or it will turn the mad ball skilz guys back into slightly better than average players. One handful of jersey is OK, but two just looks bad.
The only thing that seems close to "real basketball" is the Spurs. Things seemed to work out pretty well in recent years for them by playing solid fundamental ball.
I do allow that they had to 'stay modern' to keep the nanosecond attention span of today's public with "hey look, a 3-point shot", "hey look, we'll move it back so it's even more cool". Don't call palming or it will turn the mad ball skilz guys back into slightly better than average players. One handful of jersey is OK, but two just looks bad.
The only thing that seems close to "real basketball" is the Spurs. Things seemed to work out pretty well in recent years for them by playing solid fundamental ball.
I would rather have a 30 second shot clock next year which will increase our number of possessions per game. Will force teams to keep the BB moving.
am i seeing in that video what i think i am the ball handlers with their hands completely on top of the ball while dribbling. no carries.
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