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Originally posted by HoundedHawk:

Originally posted by NC_Hawk:
now I know you're messing with us....the Christian schools always have the worst teams in pretty much every sport....except maybe golf.

I just love how you talk like it is just so simple. Like you just "get it" and everyone else that might question your beliefs (not truths) is lost. You have this arrogance throughout most of your posts...and I have stopped taking you seriously.

You've always had almost an allergic reaction to people who are confident in their faith. You and I will never get along. I am commanded to be bold. I don't have a choice. Just think if you encountered some real prophet of God in the past. You would have smacked him upside the head because he was so bold.

I've never understood your personality type. People who recoil at the boldness of others then shouting "Arrogance!" are people who seem insecure to me.

I guess it is kind of like a really cocky salesman that sells an inferior product. They talk the talk, and shmooze many new customers...but in the end...they are selling something that they really can't guarantee will work.

Believe me, I understand what it means to have faith (not in God, obviously...but with other things). You can still have humility and be faithful...but what you call being BOLD...well, I call that simple-minded arrogance for a belief-system that you profess is an absolute truth.
 
Hounded---I was brought up Christian and still believe in the Lord, but you make me not want to be associated with whatever "religion" you are. You make yourself appear infallible, and are as close minded a person as I could possibly imagine. The Lord I believe in wants people to seek the truth, not just dismiss everything without even looking into it. I don't know what I believe about all this, but you apparently can't even think about it period. I guess this is because you already KNOW all.
 
Originally posted by crash_n_learn:

Originally posted by leper-messiah:
Can interupt for a moment? This is a little off topic, but since Hounded brought up this passage, I realized poor GWB's destined to spend eternity in hell.



Pr 6:16-19 - There are six things which the Lord hates, Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, And hands that shed innocent blood, A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that run rapidly to evil, A false witness who utters lies, And one who spreads strife among brothers. - (NASB)

I don't think he can overcome any of these. Carry on...

Bush is on a highway to hell.

couldn't be...because I have read several posts by Hounded over the past few months that have spoke very positively of GWB?? Hounded knows who is going to hell...all you gotta do is fill out the short survey form located in the back of your Bible.
 
Originally posted by crash_n_learn:
Why the hell does does Hounded like GWB. He doesn't do what Jesus would do.

How do you know he doesn't do what Jesus would do?

Plus, I don't think this President is that great. He does things I wouldn't do. I'll let history judge him.
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Originally posted by NC_Hawk:



Bush is on a highway to hell.


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couldn't be...because I have read several posts by Hounded over the past few months that have spoke very positively of GWB?? Hounded knows who is going to hell...all you gotta do is fill out the short survey form located in the back of your Bible.[/B][/QUOTE]

You're good at mocking, but is that really something worthy?

BTW - I can speak positively about a person and still think they're going to Hell.
 
Originally posted by HoundedHawk:

Originally posted by crash_n_learn:
Why the hell does does Hounded like GWB. He doesn't do what Jesus would do.

How do you know he doesn't do what Jesus would do?

Plus, I don't this the President is that great. He does things I wouldn't do. I'll let history judge him.

You think Jesus would govern us the same way as Dubya, come on. NO WAY!!
 
Originally posted by darylhawk:
Hounded---I was brought up Christian and still believe in the Lord, but you make me not want to be associated with whatever "religion" you are.

Shame on you. You shouldn't let one person get in your way.

Originally posted by darylhawk:
You make yourself appear infallible, and are as close minded a person as I could possibly imagine.

Why are your perceptions so wrong? I have never stated infallibility. I know I am not. And why do you deem me closed minded? Why don't you deem all people who are confident as closed minded?

Originally posted by darylhawk:
The Lord I believe in wants people to seek the truth, not just dismiss everything without even looking into it.

Is this an insinuation that I have not looked into things? You would be quite ignorant and wrong about that. I read whatever I can on any topic so as to attempt a sound judgment.

Originally posted by darylhawk:
I don't know what I believe about all this, but you apparently can't even think about it period. I guess this is because you already KNOW all.

Why join the legion of misrepresentation? I certainly don't think and have not said I know all. And for you to say I can't even think about it is quite a negative judgment.

Just think if you treated yourself with the same consistency that you treated me. You would never want to be a part of a religion that has someone as judgmental as you in it.
 
Originally posted by crash_n_learn:
You think Jesus would govern us the same way as Dubya, come on. NO WAY!!

Not exactly the same way. I'm sure the Lord would be much harsher on things like homosexual marriage.
 
Originally posted by HoundedHawk:

Originally posted by crash_n_learn:
You think Jesus would govern us the same way as Dubya, come on. NO WAY!!

Not exactly the same way. I'm sure the Lord would be much harsher on things like homosexual marriage.

Judas Priest!! When the hell did Christ ever say anything about gays?
 
Originally posted by NC_Hawk:
I guess it is kind of like a really cocky salesman that sells an inferior product. They talk the talk, and shmooze many new customers...but in the end...they are selling something that they really can't guarantee will work.


I'm not cocky. I am bold and confident. There is a distinct difference.

Originally posted by NC_Hawk:
Believe me, I understand what it means to have faith (not in God, obviously...but with other things).

Why should I believe that? Have you truly had strong assurance in what you hoped for and strong conviction of that which you cannot see? And if you do, then why constantly mock me instead of just disagreeing?

Originally posted by NC_Hawk:
You can still have humility and be faithful...but what you call being BOLD...well, I call that simple-minded arrogance for a belief-system that you profess is an absolute truth.

If I'm right then what? To me the true humility only bows down to what God wants. And that is what I'm trying to do. I will not back down to any mere man. And my belief is far from simple minded. You simply do not understand what it takes to believe what I do.

I don't see how you can accuse me of simple-minded arrogance when you spout just as strong things in a far more mocking tone. It seems you would have to condemn yourself in a stronger way to be consistent.
 
Hey Hounded....thanks for the new sig line.

I've done some thinking, and I am OK with going to hell....along with all the Muslims, Jews, Gays, Native Americans, Atheists, Phony Christians, Canibals, all the people that lived on earth prior to 2005 years ago, sluts, cheaters, porno stars, fat people, liars, etc....

But if I see you in hell....you gotta know I am going to LAUGH MY ASS OFF!!
 
Originally posted by NC_Hawk:
Hey Hounded....thanks for the new sig line.

I've done some thinking, and I am OK with going to hell....along with all the Muslims, Jews, Gays, Native Americans, Atheists, Phony Christians, Canibals, all the people that lived on earth prior to 2005 years ago, sluts, cheaters, porno stars, fat people, liars, etc....

But if I see you in hell....you gotta know I am going to LAUGH MY ASS OFF!!

First, I'm not sure there is any realization of others in Hell.
Second, I think Jews, gays, Native Americans, etc. can go to Heaven.
Third, I think a lot of people prior to 2005 years ago will go to Heaven.
Fourth, I told you that you don't understand a lot of what I believe.
 
Originally posted by NC_Hawk:
Hey Hounded....thanks for the new sig line.

I've done some thinking, and I am OK with going to hell....along with all the Muslims, Jews, Gays, Native Americans, Atheists, Phony Christians, Canibals, all the people that lived on earth prior to 2005 years ago, sluts, cheaters, porno stars, fat people, liars, etc....

But if I see you in hell....you gotta know I am going to LAUGH MY ASS OFF!!

My favorite sig of Hounded's was when he told the guy with the failing marriage to stop masturbating so much.
 
Originally posted by crash_n_learn:
Judas Priest!! When the hell did Christ ever say anything about gays?

Well, he told adulterers they did have to repent. He even said some would make themselves celibate so they could enter the Kingdom of Heaven. He spoke a lot on sexual immorality. Homosexuality is definitely that.
 
Originally posted by HoundedHawk:

Originally posted by crash_n_learn:
Judas Priest!! When the hell did Christ ever say anything about gays?

Well, he told adulterers they did have to repent. He even said some would make themselves celibate so they could enter the Kingdom of Heaven. He spoke a lot on sexual immorality. Homosexuality is definitely that.

says who?
 
Originally posted by crash_n_learn:

Originally posted by HoundedHawk:


Originally posted by crash_n_learn:
Judas Priest!! When the hell did Christ ever say anything about gays?

Well, he told adulterers they did have to repent. He even said some would make themselves celibate so they could enter the Kingdom of Heaven. He spoke a lot on sexual immorality. Homosexuality is definitely that.

says who?

The writers who wrote down what Christ said.
 
Originally posted by crash_n_learn:

Originally posted by NC_Hawk:
Hey Hounded....thanks for the new sig line.

I've done some thinking, and I am OK with going to hell....along with all the Muslims, Jews, Gays, Native Americans, Atheists, Phony Christians, Canibals, all the people that lived on earth prior to 2005 years ago, sluts, cheaters, porno stars, fat people, liars, etc....

But if I see you in hell....you gotta know I am going to LAUGH MY ASS OFF!!

My favorite sig of Hounded's was when he told the guy with the failing marriage to stop masturbating so much.

Solid advice for anyone who was experiencing difficulty in sexual satisfaction with his wife.

I don't know what is so strange about that. Many secular counselors would say the same thing.
 
Hounded, I like you, but are you just trying to be the main poster in as many legendary threads as possible?
 
Originally posted by HoundedHawk:
Originally posted by fsu1jreed:
Actually
the odds are not that great when you take into context the number of
places in the universe where life could possibly arise. Check out this
link on the Drake equation(
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).
This is just for intelligent life in our Galaxy which we might come
into contact with. If you scroll down you will see the very
conservative number of N=0.0000002211. Which looks very small, but when
you multiply it by the estimated number of
galaxies(~400,000,000,000,000) then you get 88,440,000. That's a whole
lot of civilizations out there. The odds are only exteremly small when
you pick a specific planet/moon. And this is for Intellegent life.
Imagine what the "odds" are for bacteria.

What's going to happen
when we do find bacteria outside the Earth in the next few years? You
will have to revise your whole ideology.

The odds for one single cell to form is greater then 1 in all the atoms in the known universe.


Non-creationist link for this?????????????


If the math is correct there should be plenty of them.
 
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Originally posted by crash_n_learn:
Hounded, I like you, but are you just trying to be the main poster in as many legendary threads as possible?

I'm not in that many lengendary threads, am I? The best ones were not saved. We had an excellent one on Catholicism that was 6 pages long but I did not request it saved soon enough.

And, yes, Christ did talk about sexuality. It mostly dealt with what defined adultery.
 
NPR, your characterization of Quakers is faulty.

"As with all large denominations, individual Quakers are religiously diverse. Their beliefs range from Evangelical (conservative) to liberal. The following beliefs are common to most Quakers:

Friends believe that there exists element of God's spirit in every human soul. Thus all persons have inherent worth, independent of their gender, race, age, nationality, religion, and sexual orientation. Their opposition to sexism, racism, religious intolerance, warfare and the death penalty comes from this belief.

Simplicity, pacifism, and inner revelation are long standing Quaker beliefs. Their religion does not consist of accepting specific beliefs or of engaging in certain practices; it involves each person's direct experience of God.

There is a strong mystical component to Quaker belief. In the moving words of one Quaker, "In Meeting for Worship, God is there. God is probably always there, but in Meeting, I am able to slow down enough to see God. The Light becomes tangible for me, a blanket of love, a hope made living."

They do not have a specific creed; however, many of the coordinating groups have created statements of faith. The statement by the largest Quaker body, the Friends United Meeting includes the beliefs in:
- true religion as a personal encounter with God, rather than ritual and ceremony:
- individual worth before God
- worship as an act of seeking
- the virtues of moral purity, integrity, honesty, simplicity and humility
- Christian love and goodness
- concern for the suffering and unfortunate
- continuing revelation through the Holy Spirit

Many do not regard the Bible as the only source of belief and conduct. They rely upon their Inner Light to resolve what they perceive as the Bible's many contradictions. They also feel free to take advantage of scientific and philosophical findings from other sources.

Individual Quakers hold diverse views concerning life after death. Few believe in the eternal punishment of individuals in a Hell.

All aspects of life are sacramental; they do not differentiate between the secular and the religious. No one day or one place or one activity is any more spiritual than any other.

Quakers have had a tradition of opposing war. They have followed the beliefs of the early Christian movement which was strongly pacifist. Early Christians even refused to bring charges against others if there was a possibility of the death penalty being exercised. Together with the Amish, Church of the Brethren, and Mennonites, they made it possible for men to be classified as conscientious objectors."

Our meeting is not exactly traditional as we do have a minister who presents a short "sermon" of about 15 minutes. After that we are left in silence. If someone feels moved to speak, they do, otherwise we simply sit and think/pray/ponder/etc.
 
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NPR, your characterization of Quakers is faulty.

All I implied was that Quakers stand around in a prayer circle.

So Quakers don't do that?
 
Originally posted by HoundedHawk:

Originally posted by crash_n_learn:
Hounded, I like you, but are you just trying to be the main poster in as many legendary threads as possible?

I'm not in that many lengendary threads, am I? The best ones were not saved. We had an excellent one on Catholicism that was 6 pages long but I did not request it saved soon enough.

And, yes, Christ did talk about sexuality. It mostly dealt with what defined adultery.

But not homosexuality, hmmmmmmm.
 
Originally posted by crash_n_learn:
But not homosexuality, hmmmmmmm.

He didn't directly talk about pedophilia either. Hmmmmmmm.

He didn't directly talk about beastiality either. Hmmmmmmm.

He didn't directly talk about incest either. Hmmmmmm.

He didn't directly talk about rape either. Hmmmmmm.
 
wow, long thread.. good read fsureed
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Originally posted by HoundedHawk:

Originally posted by crash_n_learn:
But not homosexuality, hmmmmmmm.

He didn't directly talk about pedophilia either. Hmmmmmmm.

He didn't directly talk about beastiality either. Hmmmmmmm.

He didn't directly talk about incest either. Hmmmmmm.

He didn't directly talk about rape either. Hmmmmmm.

Who is being victimized during a consentual relationship between two adults?
 
Originally posted by crash_n_learn:

Originally posted by HoundedHawk:


Originally posted by crash_n_learn:
But not homosexuality, hmmmmmmm.

He didn't directly talk about pedophilia either. Hmmmmmmm.

He didn't directly talk about beastiality either. Hmmmmmmm.

He didn't directly talk about incest either. Hmmmmmm.

He didn't directly talk about rape either. Hmmmmmm.

Who is being victimized during a consentual relationship between two adults?

Why do you think there must be a victim for Christ to think it is wrong?
 
Originally posted by crash_n_learn:
Why the hell would God make people gay, if he is just going to punish them for it? Why Hounded why?

You didn't answer my question.

God has always put limitations on sexuality. It doesn't matter if there is a victim or not.

I don't believe God makes people gay.
 
I don't believe God makes people gay.


Of course not, that starts from an invalid "premise", right hounded?

So who made them gay? The Devil?
 
What does Christ codemn that doesn't have a victim? He gave us a moral compass, so why would he punish us for using it?
 
Originally posted by NPRLover:
I don't believe God makes people gay.


Of course not, that starts from an invalid "premise", right hounded?

So who made them gay? The Devil?


I think most people participate in homosexual activity due to a multitude of factors. The Spartans certainly taught us that it could be a culturally implemented. I think there is also dysfunction in many families that could provide such. I also believe that there are a very small number that probably have some sort of mutation that yields unnatural desire. Even with the last one that does not mean God made them gay. God did not mess with the code to cause it. It is an unnatural breakdown due to sin on earth. There are many people with perverse sexual desires. That's no excuse to satisfy them. Countless men have a very strong sexual desire to cheat on their wives. It will not be an excuse.
 
I also believe that there are a very small number that probably have some sort of mutation that yields unnatural desire. Even with the last one that does not mean God made them gay. God did not mess with the code to cause it. It is an unnatural breakdown due to sin on earth.

Ok. Got it. Original sin is what really causes things like Down Syndrome, being gay, born with deformities. Their "unnatural breakdown" is due to Eve taking a bite out of a pomegranate.

That's pretty scientific. I can see how someone who believes in Intelligent Design would accept that premise.
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Dont you think that is a bit of a stretch NPR?
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Originally posted by NPRLover:
NPR, your characterization of Quakers is faulty.

All I implied was that Quakers stand around in a prayer circle.

So Quakers don't do that?
Nope.

And we do make really good oatmeal.

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Originally posted by NPRLover:
Ok. Got it. Original sin is what really causes things like Down Syndrome, being gay, born with deformities. Their "unnatural breakdown" is due to Eve taking a bite out of a pomegranate.


Did I say "original" sin? According to the Bible sin has consequences. A gradual breakdown of the natural order is the price.

Plus, you are probably wrong about Eve eating a pomegranate.

Originally posted by NPRLover:
That's pretty scientific. I can see how someone who believes in Intelligent Design would accept that premise.


Isn't there blatant carelessness on your part since you were wrong?
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