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Does anyone know the status of Isaiah's summer school? Summer school courses do not last long. 4-6 weeks. Some have ended already.

Hopefully we can get this young man on campus soon! It would be good to have him join for some of the summer coaching sessions. Every player can use time with our staff to focus on improvements and development before the season. Especially the yutes.


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Is Moss playing in any summer leagues in Chicago?
 
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You have to be an enrolled student to be a student athlete. Yes, it would be nice, but it's not happening until August 18th when students can first show up on campus for classes that begin the 24th.
 
Incoming players are allowed to make the summer practice sessions with Iowa coaches. New rule from 2 years ago... They are starting practices next week, I believe. Everyone but Moss, that is...

Moss is taking summer courses at Simeon to earn his eligibility to go to Iowa.... Not sure when those courses will be finished. He could just be doing some makeup work for his spring classes. But that I do not know, thus my question.....
 
Practice sessions with the Iowa coaches have been going on ever since PrimeTime League started, which is in conjunction with summer school at the University of Iowa. All ENROLLEES take a couple summer classes, live in the dorms, work Fran's camp, and alternate days between lifting weights and doing skill development with the coaches. This began June 15th & will run until summer school ends, which just happens to be when the PTL championship is, July 30th.

Players can go home for a couple weeks before dorms are available for incoming students the week of August 17- 23, before classes start the week of Monday, August 24.

Moss can not receive coaching from Iowa coaches until he is officially a student at the University of Iowa. He is shit out of luck until Monday, August 24th. Worse than NCAA violations, there would undoubtedly be insurance and a host of other potential issues.

You are right. Moss' academic misadventures were costly. A lot of team building goes on in the summer. Newbies get acclimated to campus when Iowa City is a ghost town as opposed to when the swarms appear. Players are more coachable in the summer when their minds are cluttered with only 2 classes of course work as compared to 15 units in the fall.

He would have gotten his first taste of Hawkeye fan base adoration working the summer camp with wide eyed 8 to 12 year olds.

He's not only going to feel behind when he shows up in August, he will be behind. Unless he brings a skill set to the mix that this team severely lacks and desperately needs, he's the second most likely redshirt, after Williams. The staff might decide to let him focus on academics, within the structure of basketball every day, without the pressure of performing.

6 in a recruiting class, comprised of 5 Freshman, has to be spaced out. Toss in Ellingson, and perhaps even Baer, and shear numbers mandate two Freshman from this recruiting class are red shirting.

Yes, Moss was on the best public school team in the country. However, he wasn't always a starter, and was the last of his senior classmates to get a scholarship. Imagine the offers he'd have now if he were returning for his senior year at Simeon! Iowa might not get him.

Fran's plan might have been to "hide" Moss in plain sight in Iowa City, knowing with an extra year, he's essentially getting a top 150 member of the recruiting class of 2016.
 
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Excellent post, Galloot, as usual. I have one slight difference of opinion. Redshirts are not a mandate these days even with a large recruiting class. We have six freshmen on scholarship, and Baer. We had a five player class in 2012, ended up with three of them.

If we redshirt, it should be because we have a player with at least the potential to contribute in the rotation at some point in the future. Between now and the start of the season is the time to decide. And yes, if a player will not crack the rotation, and were comfortable without him (No Bo Ryan errors like he made with Ethan Happ) by all means encourage the redshirt and if the player is up for it, save 'em for another season. If on the other hand we find their work ethic on the court or in class isn't what we expect, no redshirt. Let them sit and encourage them to use it to transfer to a different school.
 
Sounds like recruiting really is like throwing spaghetti on the wall and seeing what sticks.
I read that somewhere on here recently I think. You're on this site every day. Who was that sage? I've got to go back and give him a "favorite."
Noodle Heads have names. Dickerson is the class of 2014. Who were the 2 in 2012?
 
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I believe you received several likes for the "spaghetti noodle" comparison. Very accurate. Also one of the things that seems to have allowed McCaffery to rebuild at Iowa, cooking good spaghetti. Ingram, Meyer, in 2012? Didn't stick.
 
Not arguing with you, only seeking clarification on what you meant in the Bo Ryan/Ethan Happ clause in the first thread.
Happ was offered verbally and accepted on the spot after attending Wisconsin's camp in the summer of 2012 following his Sophomore year. At the time Kaminsky and Dekker were pre chrysalis underclassmen caterpillars still ensconced in cocoons. Nobody knew they would be NBA draft picks and starting bigs in 4 Final 4 games over 2 years.
Are you saying Happ should have played last year? Or are you saying he should have gone to another school where immediate playing time was obvious? I'm sure that's not what you're suggesting, since when Happ signed his LOI in November 2013, the Badgers were a projected top half conference team as always, but nothing more than that.
It's too early to suggest he'll be a bust. Wisconsin does wonders with tall, lanky white guys. He ought to be another in a long line of productive forwards. Not sure what you meant.
 
Galloot, what I'm saying about Happ is that if he was one of the better players in practice last season, as I read on a Wisconsin forum, than Ryan made a mistake to redshirt him.
 
I'm sure that's just a Badger fan trying to drum up interest in this season by saying, "If you think Kaminsky was good, wait till you see Happ." (Paraphrasing)

Just like you'll trust Fran's judgement over any hyperactive Hawkeye poster on this forum, I'd defer to Ryan. Yes, if Happ were preferable as a 19 year old newcomer and mastered the system better than any returning 2013 Final 4 participant, he should have played. There is no way that was going to happen.

Any other year in Wisconsin basketball history, Happ plays as a Freshman. I can understand Wisconsin's enthusiasm. He was a better 19 year old Freshman than Kaminsky was a 19 year old Freshman, and Kaminsky became National Player of the Year, but that's more a referendum on how limited Kaminsky was to start, and how he developed.

Happ is more athletic, and that's what fans see. Coaches see players who execute what they want, and get what they are teaching. Metaphorically, Happ was a high school A student surrounded by post graduate scholars. He might match his 2013/14 colleagues some day, but was not in their stratosphere in understanding Bo's system in a season when the stakes were never higher.
 
If Fleming emerges early as I anticipate, Moss will find himself out of the player rotation IMO, even if Jok plays 3 as a starter. Of course, injuries could change the situation but Jok will still get time at the 2, Fleming will get significant minutes, and Ellingson will get a good hard look as the 3PT shooter off the bench (a role which fits him IMO). The SF position is also stacked. No vacancies, no playing time available.

As Galoot mentioned, Moss really needed the summer training, team practices, and coaching to just keep it a competition. With 4 returning starters (all veteran upper classmen) and a promising sophomore, reserve playing time among 8 newly eligible players (if you include Ellingson) was going to be a huge battle from the start. Ellingson actually has some playing time, even though very limited, and aalso a full year with the team as he battles for reserve minutes.

Perhaps Moss comes in this Fall and impresses enough to make the case for a back-up spot. If he gets there, all the better. If he doesn't, I hope he learns from the experience and works hard to improve, keeps his grades, and stays ready if needed.
 
Moss was a four start by espn. Was impressive when I watched him on tv late in the year.
Think he had offers from auburn,smu, Pitt, iowa state and temple. He is talented but u think it might be too early to count him out even though he is not here. He, just like every other guy will have to earn playing time. We shall see . Would be great if he couple provide instant offense off the bench.
 
Agree that Fleming looks ready to contribute but still think a 3-guard starting line-up is more likely to include Sapp. Moss has more upside but he'll have to hit the ground running in the fall to compete for minutes. And that's a good thing for the team.
 
This is all JMHO, of course, but I still think it is extremely premature to think that Iowa will be going with a 3-guard lineup when they have Woody, Uthoff, Uhl, Jones, Baer, and Wagner for the 3-4-5 positions. IMHO, there might be moments when Jok would play the 3 and there would be 2 other guards on the floor but, especially with Woody out, Iowa will need the size inside so I would rather see Jones, Uthoff and Uhl on the floor together. Wagner could switch in for one of them, too. Even Hutton or Baer could come in and still keep enough of a defensive and rebounding presence so that these 3 positions are not overwhelmed.

Because of this, I see a log jam (no porn references, please:)) at the SG position this year. I think that one of the SGs (in addition to Williams) will red-shirt. That would be great for balancing out that position across classes and would probably not hurt this year. Moss seems to be the ideal person as the 2nd red shirt candidate as he could use the year to get acclimated to college life and McC's system, get stronger, and really come in ready to fire next year. It would also allow the staff to focus even more on recruiting bigs for the next class.

Edit - Moss COULD play this year - he has the talent and drive - but I am more concerned about his ability to remain eligible for the next 2 years when he will definitely be needed. I feel that he is a special talent that could lead Iowa to greater things.
 
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Does anyone know the status of Isaiah's summer school? Summer school courses do not last long. 4-6 weeks. Some have ended already.

Hopefully we can get this young man on campus soon! It would be good to have him join for some of the summer coaching sessions. Every player can use time with our staff to focus on improvements and development before the season. Especially the yutes.


I just want to say it is totally amazing the talent level of where we are and are headed vs. Lik.
Fran is the man.
 
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I think Moss is getting sold way short in this thread. Sure there would be great benefits from him redshirting. I just don't see it happening. Williams will be the only redshirt.

Moss was widely regarded as the best player in the class. Those guys almost never redshirt.

I seem to recall Coach Francis saying that Moss and Wagner were the most probable ready-to-play of the true freshman.

If ready to play, he will add a dimension to the team that others cannot. There will be some catching up to do in his familiarization process once he gets to Iowa. But it's an adjustment that many have made before and I don't think it will take long before Isaiah is too good to keep off the court.

We are able to see how well the rest of the incoming class, particularly Fleming, is performing in PTL. Maybe a bit of an overreaction due to the fact that we don't have Isaiah's talents right in front of us yet
 
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I think Moss is getting sold way short in this thread. Sure there would be great benefits from him redshirting. I just don't see it happening. Williams will be the only redshirt.

Moss was widely regarded as the best player in the class. Those guys almost never redshirt.

I seem to recall Coach Francis saying that Moss and Wagner were the most probable ready-to-play of the true freshman.

If ready to play, he will add a dimension to the team that others cannot. There will be some catching up to do in his familiarization process once he gets to Iowa. But it's an adjustment that many have made before and I don't think it will take long before Isaiah is too good to keep off the court.

We are able to see how well the rest of the incoming class, particularly Fleming, is performing in PTL. Maybe a bit of an overreaction due to the fact that we don't have Isaiah's talents right in front of us yet

Great post.
I also think Fleming can be a key if he gets hot and learns spacing.
I think the most exciting thing is we don't need much from any of them - more contribution the better but play hard, play smart and if the top 2-3 can give us 5-6 mins of quality play then we're good.
 
I think Moss is getting sold way short in this thread. Sure there would be great benefits from him redshirting. I just don't see it happening. Williams will be the only redshirt.

Moss was widely regarded as the best player in the class. Those guys almost never redshirt.

I seem to recall Coach Francis saying that Moss and Wagner were the most probable ready-to-play of the true freshman.

If ready to play, he will add a dimension to the team that others cannot. There will be some catching up to do in his familiarization process once he gets to Iowa. But it's an adjustment that many have made before and I don't think it will take long before Isaiah is too good to keep off the court.

We are able to see how well the rest of the incoming class, particularly Fleming, is performing in PTL. Maybe a bit of an overreaction due to the fact that we don't have Isaiah's talents right in front of us yet
A name that seems to get lost in the shuffle is Brandon Hutton. I wonder how he'll fit into the fight for minutes. It seems to me that someone who is as dedicated to playing defense as him will somehow find minutes here and there.
 
A name that seems to get lost in the shuffle is Brandon Hutton. I wonder how he'll fit into the fight for minutes. It seems to me that someone who is as dedicated to playing defense as him will somehow find minutes here and there.

He will see the floor just because of his defense. I like the attitude, for certain. I see Fran putting him in late in games for defensive strategies, IF he can protect the ball and pass well on the O side of the court. Which it seems he can do... If he can hit a decent percentage at the line, He will be an asset.
 
A name that seems to get lost in the shuffle is Brandon Hutton. I wonder how he'll fit into the fight for minutes. It seems to me that someone who is as dedicated to playing defense as him will somehow find minutes here and there.
I also think Hutton gets some minutes this year if his D is as advertised. He simply provides an element that the team has lacked since May graduated...theoretically a defensive stopper to combat athletic 2/3's. Right now that guy is Clemmons and he's on the small side.
 
So did Moss graduate from HS then?

As long as he gets his school work done, I have no problem with him showing up in August. He is a solid player and went against some of the best players in the nation. He has the ability to handle the ball and attack the rim. He can also step back and hit the fade away jumper (very similar to Marble). I realize he is missing some workouts and what not, but they have all fall to gel. There is something like what 2-3 months before the first game, that is a lot of time.

Also with Twitter and all the technology these days, the players are keeping in touch with each other and Im sure he isn't too far out of the loop.
 
I agree that counting out any of the players, including Moss, just based on who is playing in the PTL and what not is too predictive based on little info. But of course we couch coaches get to be too predictive with less evidence, it is our job! :)

Come the first exhibition game we'll get the view from the one guy that really decides who plays, the Coach.

What we do know. We've got six guys coming back that didn't redshirt or aren't brand new this season. All of them saw the court last year. We've eight relatively new guys There is going to be room for some minutes, but nothing like a rebuild. So, for fun, my best guess at this moment for who leads for playing time among the newbies:

Fleming (Due to available minutes and his time in at Oak Hill)
Jones (Due to available minutes and his Juco experience.
Wagner (Available minutes)
Ellingson (A year in the system, room for a ten mpg guy, Fleming struggles? Next guy in.)
Baer (A year in the system, if Jones or Wagner struggle? Next guy in.)
Hutton (Great athlete, plenty to work on for down the road.)
Moss (I put him this low due to missing the summer in Iowa City. He could shoot straight up to #1 newbie, this is all that close.)
Williams (I think we recruited him at point, will train him to be the point, and we've got two point guards ahead of him. This is his year to watch and learn.)

Key in my guesswork of course is "this is all that close".
 
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I mostly agree with your playing time assessment Dan - as it stands right now. Circumstances can change rapidly. The only quibble I would have is Baer ahead of Hutton. As you often remind us: we are all arm-chair coaches anyway so nothing can be taken too seriously.

I didn't intend to write-off Isiah Moss in my earlier post. I do think he starts further behind when Fall practice starts though --and Fleming begins his career as a more mature, better all-around player out of high school IMHO.
 
Yeah, the Baer ahead of Hutton thing. I put Baer over him only because he practiced with the guys for a year. It's fun guessing, and in a couple months I'll probably have a completely different guess.
 
I agree that counting out any of the players, including Moss, just based on who is playing in the PTL and what not is too predictive based on little info. But of course we couch coaches get to be too predictive with less evidence, it is our job! :)

Come the first exhibition game we'll get the view from the one guy that really decides who plays, the Coach.

What we do know. We've got six guys coming back that didn't redshirt or aren't brand new this season. All of them saw the court last year. We've eight relatively new guys There is going to be room for some minutes, but nothing like a rebuild. So, for fun, my best guess at this moment for who leads for playing time among the newbies:

Fleming (Due to available minutes and his time in at Oak Hill)
Jones (Due to available minutes and his Juco experience.
Wagner (Available minutes)
Ellingson (A year in the system, room for a ten mpg guy, Fleming struggles? Next guy in.)
Baer (A year in the system, if Jones or Wagner struggle? Next guy in.)
Hutton (Great athlete, plenty to work on for down the road.)
Moss (I put him this low due to missing the summer in Iowa City. He could shoot straight up to #1 newbie, this is all that close.)
Williams (I think we recruited him at point, will train him to be the point, and we've got two point guards ahead of him. This is his year to watch and learn.)

Key in my guesswork of course is "this is all that close".


Good thoughts as always, Dan. Really, with the news that Uthoff is sliding to the 4, there are three guys (Jones, Wagner, and Baer) fighting for about ten to fifteen minutes of court time after Uthoff (30 min.), Uhl (15 min.), and Woody (25 min.). And the emphasis for those minutes I have to think will be mistake-free defense and rebounding, so don't count out Baer!

This really gets interesting for the guards. Just spit-balling at minutes, Gesell (30 min.), Clemmons (20 min.), and Jok (25 min.) leave about 40 to 45 minutes available! We are going to see a lot of Ellingson, Flemming, Moss, Hutton or Williams. And if foul trouble in the post plagues the team in one or two games, we may see a FOUR guard line-up (a la Villanova). In my opinion, the past couple years have been a bit post heavy in either numbers and/or talent (remember McCabe and White playing the 3 because most of the talent was in our bigs). This year's team is very guard heavy even though talent wise our two best NBA prospects are still bigs (Uthoff and Woody).

Just trying to contribute to the conversation. Thoughts?
 
Yeah, the Baer ahead of Hutton thing. I put Baer over him only because he practiced with the guys for a year. It's fun guessing, and in a couple months I'll probably have a completely different guess.
I think both could be surprises for this team, but maybe for different reasons. I see Baer adding a little depth to the front court. Baer, despite his slender frame seems to play 'bigger' than one would think. He has a nose for the ball, and is a good defender. Hutton reminds me a bit of Kenyon Murray in his ability to guard a variety of players. With only 1 true center I think development of front court depth will be critical. It appears that the 2-3 positions have plenty of options.
 
I could see Jok getting 30 minutes a night. If he is consistent he can be really,really good . Uthoff playing the four is intriguing to be against bigger,slower guys. If a guy like swanigan guards him I would say that's advantage uthoff.ake other teams bigs come and guard us, something that not a lot of bigs are good at doing. Wen with pursues big lineup , don't see a willie cauley stain or nerlens Noel that can move quickly and guard perimeter guys.
 
Good thoughts as always, Dan. Really, with the news that Uthoff is sliding to the 4, there are three guys (Jones, Wagner, and Baer) fighting for about ten to fifteen minutes of court time after Uthoff (30 min.), Uhl (15 min.), and Woody (25 min.). And the emphasis for those minutes I have to think will be mistake-free defense and rebounding, so don't count out Baer!

This really gets interesting for the guards. Just spit-balling at minutes, Gesell (30 min.), Clemmons (20 min.), and Jok (25 min.) leave about 40 to 45 minutes available! We are going to see a lot of Ellingson, Flemming, Moss, Hutton or Williams. And if foul trouble in the post plagues the team in one or two games, we may see a FOUR guard line-up (a la Villanova). In my opinion, the past couple years have been a bit post heavy in either numbers and/or talent (remember McCabe and White playing the 3 because most of the talent was in our bigs). This year's team is very guard heavy even though talent wise our two best NBA prospects are still bigs (Uthoff and Woody).

Just trying to contribute to the conversation. Thoughts?

I know some are concerned about having only 1 "true center", but given the available players I don't see that as a major problem. Having guys like Uthoff, Uhl, Jones, Wagner, Baer I think the front court depth, while perhaps a bit inexperienced, will negate significant drop offs in the post during the times Woodbury's on the bench.
 
I know some are concerned about having only 1 "true center", but given the available players I don't see that as a major problem. Having guys like Uthoff, Uhl, Jones, Wagner, Baer I think the front court depth, while perhaps a bit inexperienced, will negate significant drop offs in the post during the times Woodbury's on the bench.
Hutton I think could guard bigger guys too. Also, you can double team other teams bigs knowing there's plenty of big guys that struggle with double teams.
 
Hutton I think could guard bigger guys too. Also, you can double team other teams bigs knowing there's plenty of big guys that struggle with double teams.
I completely agree (re: Hutton). I think he's capable of guarding the 2-3-4 positions, maybe even a point if he's someone like a Devyn Marble type of pg.

There are a lot of possibilities with this team.
 
I completely agree (re: Hutton). I think he's capable of guarding the 2-3-4 positions, maybe even a point if he's someone like a Devyn Marble type of pg.

There are a lot of possibilities with this team.

Only increases the possibility, at times, we may see a four guard line-up. Especially in the preseason to try out things.
 
Good thoughts as always, Dan. Really, with the news that Uthoff is sliding to the 4, there are three guys (Jones, Wagner, and Baer) fighting for about ten to fifteen minutes of court time after Uthoff (30 min.), Uhl (15 min.), and Woody (25 min.). And the emphasis for those minutes I have to think will be mistake-free defense and rebounding, so don't count out Baer!

This really gets interesting for the guards. Just spit-balling at minutes, Gesell (30 min.), Clemmons (20 min.), and Jok (25 min.) leave about 40 to 45 minutes available! We are going to see a lot of Ellingson, Flemming, Moss, Hutton or Williams. And if foul trouble in the post plagues the team in one or two games, we may see a FOUR guard line-up (a la Villanova). In my opinion, the past couple years have been a bit post heavy in either numbers and/or talent (remember McCabe and White playing the 3 because most of the talent was in our bigs). This year's team is very guard heavy even though talent wise our two best NBA prospects are still bigs (Uthoff and Woody).

Just trying to contribute to the conversation. Thoughts?


Woodbury NBA prospect? Have you watched NBA basketball lately? For the most part, lumbering "bigs" are a thing of the past. Woodbury's potential to make $ playing basketball is overseas, not in the NBA.
 
There's still a need for big centers who can be physical and run the floor in the NBA. He won't get drafted but he'll get a look in summer camp. Not sure why you can a bug up your ass about Woodbury in a couple different threads.
 
Big centers are becoming rare not because they aren't useful, but just because there aren't that many of them period.

And half the ones that do come around seem to be constantly injured. Yao, Oden, now Embid.

It's never going to be like it was in the 90s/2000s unless there is another Shaq or Wilt that forces the rest of the league to load up on unskilled big bodies just defend/foul him but there will always be a place for a 7 footer that can score.

Woodys problem is that he is both skinny and, unathletic and short armed. If he had either another 10 inches of reach, 50lbs, or 10 inches of vert he'd be a much different player. All three of those short comings together will make it very unlikely he plays in the nba.
 
Dominant "true centers" in the nba right noware marc gasol, demarcus cousins, joakim noah, you could
Probably call tim Duncan a center now. There's centers like deandre Jordan, Tyson chandler, are guys that are in the nba because of their crazy athletic ability and effort. I guess you have to have one or the other to play center in the nba. I like woody for what he brings to iowa this year but I don't see him fitting the dominant offensive force center or the "athletic junkyard dog" guy in terms on centers in the nba.
 
NBA chances are very, very small for Woodnuts. His only real skill is his height.

Good kid who works hard but that's about it.
 
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