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How quickly should the minimum wage be raised to $15/hr?
You can't live off $9 an hour? I know people that do. They don't have anything above the essentials though. And if your 20+ making $8 an hour full time at McDonald's get a new job. Those are entry jobs into the work force. So many people want to do the minimum these days and reap the benefits. Welcome to the entitlement generation.How quickly should it be re-branded a "living wage" instead of a minimum wage.
Why not $18, OP?
Why not $20?
Why not $100?
Where would you stop? This comes up over and over, and you never get it. Why do you insist on causing inflation and destroying jobs?
[1] I don't know the answer, but I think philosophically it should be the case that working 40h/ week should produce earnings that keep one above the poverty level for a person and their dependent. Currently that's about $10/h.
[2] Fairly that wage should just be pegged to some cost of living math and automatically adjusted each year.
[3] Politically Ds don't want to make increases automatic because they like having this issue resurface periodically as its a winner with the people.
You can't live off $9 an hour? I know people that do. They don't have anything above the essentials though. And if your 20+ making $8 an hour full time at McDonald's get a new job. Those are entry jobs into the work force. So many people want to do the minimum these days and reap the benefits. Welcome to the entitlement generation.
Then I agree with you. If your making $7.25 or $8 an hour your in a job that was never designed to be a career, or provide a living wage. Most were created for high school or college kids needing some extra coin. They are entry level positions. Nothing more.You missed my point. OP constantly wants to raise the minimum wage, to where he feels people can "live" by making it. Which was never the intent of the minimum wage.
I think Ds in office often are. I got that bit of insight from some news show commentary where the speaker said the plan to peg the rate to inflation was suggested decades ago. Ds in congress rejected it because they wanted to keep the issue alive. Politically it makes sense to remind people every few years that they like liberal policy. Libs are bad salesmen as it is, they need help.I agree with parts 1 and 2 but am not so sure about part 3. Sure some Ds are that cynical, but most?
Because I don't want to pay pay welfare to that burger flipper and I'm not willing to let her baby starve. Make that burger flipper self sufficient via her own labor and we all win. A living wage encourages individual responsibility.Serious question, why should flipping a burger be a livable wage job? Does knowing that you will make $15 an hour make you more or less driven to develope life skills to get a better job. If you were 16 years old and wanted to quit school, you would have no penalty for not educating yourself. You are paying the kid with the high school education the same money as the kid that dropped out. Also, the person that went to college may only get $18 to 20 per hour.
Would it make sense to increase min wage with cost of living increases? It seems it would benefit tax payers to have these people making min. wage not dependent on gov't assistance to make ends meet. If that means I have to pay 2 bucks for a mcdouble, so be it.
What was the intent of the minimum wage?You missed my point. OP constantly wants to raise the minimum wage, to where he feels people can "live" by making it. Which was never the intent of the minimum wage.
Because I don't want to pay pay welfare to that burger flipper and I'm not willing to let her baby starve. Make that burger flipper self sufficient via her own labor and we all win. A living wage encourages individual responsibility.
I would imagine a significant bump to min. wage would result in wages as a whole increasing yes. Imo there is plenty of money in this country to go around. Seems like an awful lot of it is sitting at the top.Using a mcdouble is convenient. What if your grocery bill comes close to doubling as well? What about even going up 50%? Is your wage going to go up by the same percentage as the minimum wage workers?
I realize the cost will be passed onto the consumer. I like that idea better.Where do you think the money is going to come from for ainimum wage increase? Price increases that will be passed along to you. So maybe you'll feel better not "paying welfare" (which isn't going to go away anyway) you are still going to pay for minimum wage increase.
They got robots to flip those burgers as well? Fast food employees aren't the only ones making poor wages btw.
This strikes me as a sensible position.Would it make sense to increase min wage with cost of living increases? It seems it would benefit tax payers to have these people making min. wage not dependent on gov't assistance to make ends meet. If that means I have to pay 2 bucks for a mcdouble, so be it.
How many of those who need the increase in the minimum wage will actually be responsible with that new double in salary? I'm guessing a large number will just increase their cigarette or alcohol fund or buy a newer car that they can't afford.Because I don't want to pay pay welfare to that burger flipper and I'm not willing to let her baby starve. Make that burger flipper self sufficient via her own labor and we all win. A living wage encourages individual responsibility.
Because I don't want to pay pay welfare to that burger flipper and I'm not willing to let her baby starve. Make that burger flipper self sufficient via her own labor and we all win. A living wage encourages individual responsibility.
But they won't qualify for welfare anymore. So that's still a point in favor of a living wage that lifts people above poverty. Cons say all the time libs want to pupetuate dependence and they will heap all sorts of harms from dependence at the feet of liberals. The reality is cons want dependence where libs want to resolve the issue.How many of those who need the increase in the minimum wage will actually be responsible with that new double in salary? I'm guessing a large number will just increase their cigarette or alcohol fund or buy a newer car that they can't afford.
I realize that's just a generalization but people who think they can live off a job at McDonalds for the rest of their life probably aren't going to be very smart with their new found money.
They got robots to flip those burgers as well? Fast food employees aren't the only ones making poor wages btw.
Because I don't want to pay pay welfare to that burger flipper and I'm not willing to let her baby starve. Make that burger flipper self sufficient via her own labor and we all win. A living wage encourages individual responsibility.
I'd be all for the federal government mandating sex Ed. Curriculum. I'd even consider some plan to restrict breeding. But I fear those too might meet resistance. On base, I think it's our duty to care for the basic needs of our fellow man. I think the best way to do that is to make that a civic duty so that all citizens can access a standard of care as a right. But that's not what this is about, this is about valuing work. It's fun that you think asking someone to work for a living and support themselves with that labor is enabling. You're sort of ass backwards IMO.Out of the irresponsibility of having the kid in the first place without the necessary skills to provide for it in the first place? You're enabling the behavious that caused her mess in the first place, pure and simple.
Maybe we should concentrate on that before we talk wages. You know...personal responsibility outside the federal government "curing it". Because as we all know, the federal government are experts at curing things like this.
Giving a person a raise doesn't make them any smarter, any better of a worker, and any more responsible...let alone deserving of the raise given they did not improve one single solitary thing to deserve it.
They weren't that before the raise, and they won't be after.
If they want to raise it to $10 an hour fine. $15 is ridiculous. I can't imagine the effect that will have on the economy. Construction cost will go way up. All of a sudden 250k houses are costing 350k. Getting your roof shingled, house sided or remodeled goes up 30%. Those aren't small increases.I realize the cost will be passed onto the consumer. I like that idea better.
Out of the irresponsibility of having the kid in the first place without the necessary skills to provide for it in the first place? You're enabling the behavious that caused her mess in the first place, pure and simple.
Maybe we should concentrate on that before we talk wages. You know...personal responsibility outside the federal government "curing it". Because as we all know, the federal government are experts at curing things like this.
Giving a person a raise doesn't make them any smarter, any better of a worker, and any more responsible...let alone deserving of the raise given they did not improve one single solitary thing to deserve it.
They weren't that before the raise, and they won't be after.
I think questions like that are perfectly reasonable. That's part of the reason why we should be (and should have been) phasing this in very gently over time. By fighting it, it has become harder. And it is now generating worker action and public action to bring about change. That has to be less desirable than a gradual phase-in.My payroll would have gone up $1600 last week alone based on a $15 minimum wage. That doesn't factor in SS and Medicaid either. And also assumes that supervisors, assistant, and anyone currently making over minimum wage now only gets minimum wage.
So to keep labor % between 15-20% of gross sales (pretty standard number if a restaurant wants to keep it's doors open), what increase should I put into effect that won't make all the customers who didn't get a raise never order again? Should the 2 single mothers who do get 35-40 hours and make more than minimum now be paid only minimum, same as the dishwasher, and likely have their hours cut when number of orders decreases after the price increase?
See your Union rep.They can have almost double their salary if everyone else gets the same raise. Any other option can F off
Exactly, rewarding workers is the answer.Every minimum wage increase is a pay cut to anyone that makes more than minimum wage. The reason is the base level of many goods and services go up.
My high school and college kids don't need to make $15 an hour at their summer jobs.
Anybody who thinks you can suck at high school and work at McDonald's and make damn near what a new math teacher makes in Iowa is crazy.
I don't like the income gap but rewarding losers isn't the answer.