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“Cloth Masks aren’t very effective.”

Are we really going to impose make mandates in schools knowing now that they aren’t effective? I guess each school could mandate a kid to wear N95 masks.
 
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They aren't, but they're better than doing nothing. And their primary purpose is to stop you from spreading the virus in the public rather than stop you from getting it in some other setting. In that case, they're fairly effective.
Did you watch the interview in the OP?
Masking, unless it’s an N95, is nothing more than political theater. Kudos to @shank hawk as he has called this the entire time.
 
Did you watch the interview in the OP?
Masking, unless it’s an N95, is nothing more than political theater. Kudos to @shank hawk as he has called this the entire time.
Who is this person speaking? What data is he using over and above (I can still smell)? Lots of people have said lots of things on interviews. Point me to the data.
 
Did you watch the interview in the OP?
Masking, unless it’s an N95, is nothing more than political theater. Kudos to @shank hawk as he has called this the entire time.
Masks are intended to impede the already-infected person from passing larger viral loads to those who are not infected. It's not so the uninfected person can be safe from infection. It's never really been about that, when it comes to masks.
 
Who is this person speaking? What data is he using over and above (I can still smell)? Lots of people have said lots of things on interviews. Point me to the data.
Smell is how they test the fit of your N95 mask.
I went through this process when I assisted with a testing facility down south last summer.
After shaving I fit the mask to my face, we adjusted it some, and then he put a plastic 'bell' over my head and puffed in a scent and asked me if I could smell it.
 
He did not say they are completely ineffective.

They are still MORE effective than no mask.
And with Delta virus, they are probably LESS effective than they were with the first virus variants.
I heard exactly what he said. I wasn't really listening to what he didn't say.
 
Smell is how they test the fit of your N95 mask.
I went through this process when I assisted with a testing facility down south last summer.
After shaving I fit the mask to my face, we adjusted it some, and then he put a plastic 'bell' over my head and puffed in a scent and asked me if I could smell it.
I have various 3M N-95's and I've yet to wear one that prevented me from smelling more powerful vapors.
 
Masks were always more about giving people something to do so they felt proactive about the situation.
Clearly they haven't worked, take a look around at where we are 1.5 years later. Covid is still going strong.

The mask proponents can try to spin it or minimize what they've been screaming for over a year.
But, that is one of their heroes right there admitting they weren't effective.
 
I heard exactly what he said. I wasn't really listening to what he didn't say.

What he did NOT say:

  • ALL non-N95 masks are not effective
  • Masks are political theater
  • Non-N95 masks are useless

What he DID say:
  • MANY of the masks aren't very effective
This is true- anyone wearing single layer or bandanas over their faces or spandex face covers don't do much. At all.

  • N95 masks are more effective
Yep. That hasn't changed.
 
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Masks were always more about giving people something to do so they felt proactive about the situation.
Clearly they haven't worked, take a look around at where we are 1.5 years later. Covid is still going strong.

The mask proponents can try to spin it or minimize what they've been screaming for over a year.
But, that is one of their heroes right there admitting they weren't effective.
Bingo the correct answer is here.
 
What would you say to a person that tells you this?
My kids went all school year wearing masks and then #CovidKim came came along and rescinding masks at 1am on a Thursday night with 2 weeks to go of school. All sick with non Covid issues when we got done. So LOL at this Bullshit. Everyone wears them they ARE effective.
 
He said "many" weren't effective. And single-layer ones are NOT very effective.

He says N95 are MORE effective.
Multi-layer are MORE effective.

Nowhere does he state "useless" or "political theater".
How in the hell did you extrapolate all of that from me simply saying "Osterholm knows his shit?" Michael Osterholm is a VERY respected specialist in this field. If it helps you to feel "right" somehow, by all means, do it. You always succeed in turning people away, who actually need to be helped. And, at the same time, making enemies of people who are mostly on your side, already. If you would just stay out of these threads, it might save lives. But, you never do. Your ego is lethal.
 
and we've known that cloth masks aren't as effective as n95 or kn95 masks for the past year. They are good for keeping others from getting sick from the mask wearer, but not great at keeping the mask wearer from getting sick. That being said, they are better than no mask.
That’s not what the one leading infectious diseases expert says in the video but I am sure you know more than him.
 
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What he did NOT say:

  • ALL non-N95 masks are not effective
  • Masks are political theater
  • Non-N95 masks are useless

What he DID say:
  • MANY of the masks aren't very effective
This is true- anyone wearing single layer or bandanas over their faces or spandex face covers don't do much. At all.

  • N95 masks are more effective
Yep. That hasn't changed.
He also did NOT say: "Joe's Place is a fvck-up on a grand scale", but I knew that without him saying any of it.
 
Masks were always more about giving people something to do so they felt proactive about the situation.
Clearly they haven't worked, take a look around at where we are 1.5 years later. Covid is still going strong.

The mask proponents can try to spin it or minimize what they've been screaming for over a year.
But, that is one of their heroes right there admitting they weren't effective.
This is complete BS.
 
If I cared enough about the person's comment, which is extremely unlikely, I'd ask what their credentials are and what research they did to come to the conclusion.
 
But, that is one of their heroes right there admitting they weren't effective.

Again NO

He say MANY are not effective. This is true of single layer, face-gaiters, bandannas

Multilayer masks are MORE effective
N95 masks are VERY effective

N95 will protect you in a crowded area with LOTS of virus in the air. Regular masks will not.

Regular multilayer masks will protect you in well ventilated areas, where you pass someone in short contact bursts from becoming infected. They will do little in rooms where viral loads become very high.

This has been the case since the beginning. And you've apparently forgotten all of it.
 
I have various 3M N-95's and I've yet to wear one that prevented me from smelling more powerful vapors.
You were doing it wrong.

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