133 U is not Iowa

[butchinmi]

Sorry, just had to copy the same title. Some people got rubbed the wrong way about this 125 article. Honestly, it's great board material and good stuff. Who cares what time frame they used? All I care is that we start living in the future sometime to defend ourselves rather than telling PSU to wait until you have 20+ titles. Screw that, let's win now.

http://www.flowrestling.org/article/47901-133-u-national-champs-carry-oklahoma-st-to-the-top

 

[pablow]

Excuse me Flo, either go back to 1928 to show an historic viewpoint or go to 2010 [Cael's first year at PSU] to approximate the current strengths of the top D1 programs or forget it.

 

[Jaroslav Hasek]

15 years as a cutoff point doesn't look so bad when you combine 125 and 133

 

[JohnBasedow]

15 years as a cutoff point doesn't look so bad when you combine 125 and 133

 

[WrestleEveryDay]

Excuse me Flo, either go back to 1928 to show an historic viewpoint or go to 2010 [Cael's first year at PSU] to approximate the current strengths of the top D1 programs or forget it.

Read the 1st paragraph. It clearly state "FloWrestling is breaking down the best schools at each weight class over the past 15 years." Don't get sore because Iowa isn't number 1.

 

[wasdt21]

your obviously not here everyday so you don't get a say what anybody chooses to take issue with

 

[butchinmi]

your obviously not here everyday so you don't get a say what anybody chooses to take issue with

Was that directed at me? I'm definitely here everyday. Don't feel the need to post everyday if that is what you are getting at. But, you are correct, I don't get a say. I can have an opinion though, just as you do i would think

 

[wasdt21]

butch look at post directly above mine ps your opinions suck

 

[butchinmi]

wasdt21 - my bad. I'll take my thumb out of my mouth and stop crying in the corner now. Feelings are all better.

 

[PapaBearSLIM]

wasdt21 - my bad. I'll take my thumb out of my mouth and stop crying in the corner now. Feelings are all better.

Good, because based on yesterday's discussion it's gonna get pretty crowded in that corner before the end of the day.

 

[edquinn06]

Good, because based on yesterday's discussion it's gonna get pretty crowded in that corner before the end of the day.

https://i.sli.mg/bMSMRf.jpg

 

[24 so far]

Good, because based on yesterday's discussion it's gonna get pretty crowded in that corner before the end of the day.

Sure, I'll play.

 

[CowboyUp61]

15 years as a cutoff point doesn't look so bad when you combine 125 and 133

I just went through and added the two. changes things a little bit. Did I do it wrong?

Iowa 329
Minny 303
Cornell 270
OSU 251
OU 213
PSU 213

 

[Jaroslav Hasek]

I just went through and added the two. changes things a little bit. Did I do it wrong?

Iowa 329
Minny 303
Cornell 270
OSU 251
OU 213
PSU 213

yeah but that's our bad. we used a simplified scoring rubric for 125, but then changed it for 133 to make it more reflective of NCAA scoring. when I went back and combined 125 and 133 I used only the second, NCAA type, scoring method.

it's confusing, I know, but we won't be using the 125 point system going forward. both scoring methods yield very similar results and using either method Cornell still comes out #1 for 125 (over the last 15 years).

 

[LaxHawk174]

Oh no, now that Spencer and Gavin have seen that we're not 125 U or 133 U they won't want to go here anymore!

 

[CowboyUp61]

yeah but that's our bad. we used a simplified scoring rubric for 125, but then changed it for 133 to make it more reflective of NCAA scoring. when I went back and combined 125 and 133 I used only the second, NCAA type, scoring method.

it's confusing, I know, but we won't be using the 125 point system going forward. both scoring methods yield very similar results and using either method Cornell still comes out #1 for 125 (over the last 15 years).

Heck, go back and recalculate 125. Be fun to keep track of the totals that way.

Interesting both methods remained the same relative position through the top 4.

 

[WrestleEveryDay]

your obviously not here everyday so you don't get a say what anybody chooses to take issue with

Just because I choose not to post often, doesn't mean I'm not on this board regularly. I just choose not to get my panties twisted over something so meaningless.

 

[grappler6]

I expect MN to be #1 at heavyweight. Would be shocked if not the case, but wouldn't suspect foul play or bias. I also would know that many in the wrestling community would still consider MN the best heavyweight School. As many consider IA the best lightweight school. An article doesn't change perception. Take it for what it is, entertainment. I enjoy reading the pieces.

 

[wasdt21]

I agree with the panties in a knot part, my problem is people coming here and throwing shade on my guys who are contributing to the discussion on a regular basis.

 

[WrestleEveryDay]

No shade intended, from my original comment. Everyone knows what Iowa is, has been and will be. No need, in my opinion, to put too much stock in this article. This article won't change anyone's opinion about the lightweights at Iowa.

 

[PapaBearSLIM]

No shade intended, from my original comment. Everyone knows what Iowa is, has been and will be. No need, in my opinion, to put too much stock in this article. This article won't change anyone's opinion about the lightweights at Iowa.

Clark and Gilman read the articles and have requested 2nd semester transfers.

 

[DayHawk18]

Iowa is Lightweight U...nuff said

 

[dropster45]

Iowa does probably earn the distinction of lightweight U. For Cornell to be ahead like they are though is really amazing given that it is a very competitive school, thereby limiting their available recruits. They also don't have scholarships. At all. And it's an expensive school. My hats off to the Cornell staff for getting that all done!

 

[Jaybird319]

No "athletic scholarship", true but let's be real.

Ivy League schools more then make up for this by need-based aid. More times then not need-base is superior to athletic scholarship awarded to non-revenue athletes

The vast majority of Ivy athletes pay less then $5,000 per year to play and have a great education

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

The reason why people are upset is because the correct answer is Iowa is #1...........and they were given an incorrect answer.

 

[24 so far]

Iowa does probably earn the distinction of lightweight U. For Cornell to be ahead like they are though is really amazing given that it is a very competitive school, thereby limiting their available recruits. They also don't have scholarships. At all. And it's an expensive school. My hats off to the Cornell staff for getting that all done!

I think you might want to put your hat back on when you learn the Ivy process in regards to it's athletes.

 

[dropster45]

I think you might want to put your hat back on when you learn the Ivy process in regards to it's athletes.

I've already learned it, but thanks for the suggestion. I pay both schools a compliment on how well they've done with the lighter weights, but am pointing out Cornell's uniqueness.

 

[24 so far]

I've already learned it, but thanks for the suggestion. I pay both schools a compliment on how well they've done with the lighter weights, but am pointing out Cornell's uniqueness.

Well you apparently didn't "learn" it before you posted that "compliment" here. So yeah, they're unique, I guess. So is Harvard.

 

[dropster45]

Not to get into a big thing here, but I think most wrestling programs, if given a choice, would take their 9.9 scholarships over what a school like Cornell can offer. If you'll agree with that, then we have to recognize that they have at least some degree of a disadvantage, right? Given that, I don't feel there's anything wrong with giving these guys a pat on the back. Doing so doesn't take anything away from any other schools accomplishments.

 

[24 so far]

Not to get into a big thing here, but I think most wrestling programs, if given a choice, would take their 9.9 scholarships over what a school like Cornell can offer. If you'll agree with that, then we have to recognize that they have at least some degree of a disadvantage, right? Given that, I don't feel there's anything wrong with giving these guys a pat on the back. Doing so doesn't take anything away from any other schools accomplishments.

From the outside looking in, it doesn't seem to me that Cornell is at any disadvantage at all from a "scholarship" perspective. They don't seem to have any issues fielding a full lineup of pretty darn good wrestlers, and I doubt that most would willingly choose to pay more for the right to wrestle for them, when their options are many.

They've established a real good program, that much we can agree on.

 

[Azchief32]

Ivy's like Cornell, Harvard, etc have endowments etc based on need. They get taken care of. Also, and correct me if I'm wrong, Cornell has two sides...Ivy and state funded. The state funded academic side is easier to get into.

 

[24 so far]

Ivy's like Cornell, Harvard, etc have endowments etc based on need. They get taken care of. Also, and correct me if I'm wrong, Cornell has two sides...Ivy and state funded. The state funded academic side is easier to get into.

So what you're saying is, if you and I were to be accepted into Cornell, it would be on the state funded side?