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Even Dick Vitale is on the bandwagon for Garza
as the Player of the Year in college basketball.
He likes Garza's footwork under the bucket and
his 3 point range........Yes, Garza is an All-American
who can carry Iowa to the Promised Land.
 
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Wieskamp has all the tools to be a productive scorer. He
has found himself in the last 4 or 5 games. He can average
17 to 20 points a game and help Garza with the offense.
In his Senior year at Iowa, he will be the MAN
 
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Wieskamp has all the tools to be a productive scorer. He
has found himself in the last 4 or 5 games. He can average
17 to 20 points a game and help Garza with the offense.
In his Senior year at Iowa, he will be the MAN
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If he doesn’t go for the payday, which I think could come if he continues to play like he has recently
 
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Will be interesting for Weezy. I am guessing he projects as a late first to mid second rounder. He would get a high volume of shots next year if he stayed and could get out from Luka's shadow, so to speak. I think it could help his draft stock slightly.

If he keeps playing the way he has the past few games, then I could see him leaving given all of his momentum and the exposure we are receiving. Not sure staying brings him enough upside.
 
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He gone. He won't shoot better than this next year and that really is the key. Duncan Robinson
made it as a 3pt shooter...Weezy is little bit better athlete, knock before was he wasn't a pure shooer.
 
Did you see Garza, at one of the dead ball moments, after that 2nd half deficit narrowing by Wisconsin, while in a huddle, tell the guys to get him the ball? JBo said something along the lines of yeah we will do that. Or that what my lip reading thought they said anyway.

They did and the rest is history.
 
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We more or less know what Luka will bring every game and almost every team can shut down JBO by simply putting an average defender on him.

So the success of the season will come down to Joe continuing to hit tough shots and create his own offense.

If CJ comes back to provide a third scoring option then Iowa becomes hard to beat.
 
BirdistheWord said:
Will be interesting for Weezy. I am guessing he projects as a late first to mid second rounder. He would get a high volume of shots next year if he stayed and could get out from Luka's shadow, so to speak. I think it could help his draft stock slightly.

If he keeps playing the way he has the past few games, then I could see him leaving given all of his momentum and the exposure we are receiving. Not sure staying brings him enough upside.
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If he closes out this year this way (including in the NCAAhs) then he's ready. If not, he should come back to try to prove he can do it consistently as "the man" for an entire season. Those are the two ways he can boost his stock to the first round.
 
I think Weezy was reading the board's comments on him taking more shots and less whiny about physical plays; Weezy mentioned it in post interviews of being more tough and aggressive on scoring. Thanks for listening Weezy, you've become more potent and consistent. Go win Hawks!
 
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Will be interesting for Weezy. I am guessing he projects as a late first to mid second rounder. He would get a high volume of shots next year if he stayed and could get out from Luka's shadow, so to speak. I think it could help his draft stock slightly.

If he keeps playing the way he has the past few games, then I could see him leaving given all of his momentum and the exposure we are receiving. Not sure staying brings him enough upside.
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If Ayo from Illinois thought it was a good idea to come back, JW might as well. If he plays at the level he has for the last 4-5 games for a full season, adds some more strength, he could be a late lottery pick. Yes - I said that and stand by it.
 
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He gone. He won't shoot better than this next year and that really is the key. Duncan Robinson
made it as a 3pt shooter...Weezy is little bit better athlete, knock before was he wasn't a pure shooer.
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Robinson didn't get drafted and didn't leave early
 
Eternal Return said:
If he closes out this year this way (including in the NCAAhs) then he's ready. If not, he should come back to try to prove he can do it consistently as "the man" for an entire season. Those are the two ways he can boost his stock to the first round.
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I agree to a certain extent, with an even higher volume of shots, he could boost his stock, slightly. There is also downside such as 1. Potential Injury 2. Teams will now FOCUS gameplan on him vs Garzilla 3. Team under performs and he has to force a lot of shots, thus hurting his efficiency.

Think about how many NBA teams draft kids out of high school or one year in college. Hardly finished products to put that much stock in. They have plenty of "tape" to see on Weezy at this point.

Not a perfect analogy, but sort of the Desmond King effect. No matter how well you perform on the field, get INT's, National Awards, etc. The next level puts a lot of weight into your upside and raw athleticism. For Joe, these two are somewhat maxed out no matter what he does.

I think we would greatly benefit from having him for one more year. But if he finishes the year playing close to where he is now, he likely will leave. JMHO. I think he is a slightly smaller version of Gordon Heyward. Games dont match up exaclty but they have a lot of the same strengths.

 
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I agree to a certain extent, with an even higher volume of shots, he could boost his stock, slightly. There is also downside such as 1. Potential Injury 2. Teams will now FOCUS gameplan on him vs Garzilla 3. Team under performs and he has to force a lot of shots, thus hurting his efficiency.

Think about how many NBA teams draft kids out of high school or one year in college. Hardly finished products to put that much stock in. They have plenty of "tape" to see on Weezy at this point.

Not a perfect analogy, but sort of the Desmond King effect. No matter how well you perform on the field, get INT's, National Awards, etc. The next level puts a lot of weight into your upside and raw athleticism. For Joe, these two are somewhat maxed out no matter what he does.

I think we would greatly benefit from having him for one more year. But if he finishes the year playing close to where he is now, he likely will leave. JMHO. I think he is a slightly smaller version of Gordon Heyward. Games dont match up exaclty but they have a lot of the same strengths.

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Hmmm. Maybe.

I don't know. His best bet to get drafted late first round is to play like he has been the last 4 or 5 (or 6?) games and then declare. But if he starts playing erratically like Bohannon has this season, down and up and down (which I don't think will happen to Joe; in fact, I think he's more likely to keep playing well (he's not going to hit 75 percent of his threes like he has the last few games, but he doesn't have to be THAT hot). He would definitely need to take the "risk" of coming back if that happens because I don't think he'll get drafted at all if he slumps like he did after CJ got hurt last season--look at what he's doing this year with CJ out! Huge improvement I have no reason to think he couldn't maintain this over the course of his senior season if he comes back. Also, he wouldn't have to worry about teams wondering if Garza "carried" him (he's not, but that could be the perception).

You mentioned Desmond King, but I think a better example of what could happen if Joe comes back is that he could do what Garza did by coming back--take another leap forward and climb up the draft board. Joe has improved every year and I see no reason to think he'd regress next season.

He won't have Garza, but he'll have Nunge, Keegan, CJ, Joe T, Ulis, Perkins, and PMac, all of whom should improve over the off-season. I expect Nunge to take a big leap. I did not think he'd be this good at all let alone have the potential to get drafted (after a couple more years showing improvement and consistency). I think he could wind up having the best NBA career out of anyone on Iowa's roster right now.

I think Keegan will shine next year and I'm curious to see Kris, too. I think Joe T only needs minutes game after game to really improve and I think he and Ulis will split time at the point. Even if teams don't double Nunge in the post, Joe and Ulis can drive and score or dish.

I think PMac could improve as well and I think he can play the 4 if Iowa goes small or play the 3 with Joe W playing the 2 if Iowa decides to go big. Perkins? I don't know what he'll do offensively (though he is aggressive which bodes well), but he'll certainly help whoever is on the court with him look better on defense because he seems like a lock-down type.

I see Iowa being a top 25 team again next year. I don't think that squad's ceiling will be as high as this year's team which is legit top ten, but I think they'll have enough pieces to help Joe W shine if he comes back. If Joe W doesn't come back, I think Iowa may be a middle of the pack B10 team, either on the bubble or anywhere from a 7 to 10 seed.

That's my take, anyway, fwiw. I appreciated your post, though, and you may end up being right and me wrong. Good conversation though.
 
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Eternal Return said:
Hmmm. Maybe.

I don't know. His best bet to get drafted late first round is to play like he has been the last 4 or 5 (or 6?) games and then declare. But if he starts playing erratically like Bohannon has this season, down and up and down (which I don't think will happen to Joe; in fact, I think he's more likely to keep playing well (he's not going to hit 75 percent of his threes like he has the last few games, but he doesn't have to be THAT hot). He would definitely need to take the "risk" of coming back if that happens because I don't think he'll get drafted at all if he slumps like he did after CJ got hurt last season--look at what he's doing this year with CJ out! Huge improvement I have no reason to think he couldn't maintain this over the course of his senior season if he comes back. Also, he wouldn't have to worry about teams wondering if Garza "carried" him (he's not, but that could be the perception).

You mentioned Desmond King, but I think a better example of what could happen if Joe comes back is that he could do what Garza did by coming back--take another leap forward and climb up the draft board. Joe has improved every year and I see no reason to think he'd regress next season.

He won't have Garza, but he'll have Nunge, Keegan, CJ, Joe T, Ulis, Perkins, and PMac, all of whom should improve over the off-season. I expect Nunge to take a big leap. I did not think he'd be this good at all let alone have the potential to get drafted (after a couple more years showing improvement and consistency). I think he could wind up having the best NBA career out of anyone on Iowa's roster right now.

I think Keegan will shine next year and I'm curious to see Kris, too. I think Joe T only needs minutes game after game to really improve and I think he and Ulis will split time at the point. Even if teams don't double Nunge in the post, Joe and Ulis can drive and score or dish.

I think PMac could improve as well and I think he can play the 4 if Iowa goes small or play the 3 with Joe W playing the 2 if Iowa decides to go big. Perkins? I don't know what he'll do offensively (though he is aggressive which bodes well), but he'll certainly help whoever is on the court with him look better on defense because he seems like a lock-down type.

I see Iowa being a top 25 team again next year. I don't think that squad's ceiling will be as high as this year's team which is legit top ten, but I think they'll have enough pieces to help Joe W shine if he comes back. If Joe W doesn't come back, I think Iowa may be a middle of the pack B10 team, either on the bubble or anywhere from a 7 to 10 seed.

That's my take, anyway, fwiw. I appreciated your post, though, and you may end up being right and me wrong. Good conversation though.
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You bring up some good points, there are a lot of variables for sure.

I suppose teams could argue Garza carried him to a certain degree, though Joe did take a lot of tough shots. But a reasonable factor.

Yes, Garza came back but he did improve his 3 point shooting (from 36% to 45%) as well as his FT shooting. For all intents and purposes he will have been the best player in college basketball for two straight years (no way dude from Dayton was better last year against shatty comp) and STILL is not a lock first rounder!

If you look at Joe's statistics, he fills up the box score 16 points, 7 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 1 Steal, 51% shooting and 51% from 3!! His only weakness, relatively speaking is FT shooting at 70%. But that is pretty far down the list of NBA criteria. Not exactly Clank Fu (shaq) from the line!

Even though there is some risk of us not having a great year next season, I do agree with you that we have a lot of excellent pieces. Just many of them have not had to carry a lot of weight as of yet. So there is a decent chance of him being the star on a Top 25 team.

Joe could easily average 20+ PPG and improve his FT shooting to over 75% and probably increase assists given we will run a more balanced offense minus Garza. He also could add another 5LBS of muscle. But I only see all of that being worth a few spots on the draft board.

This is just one recent mock draft and it has Dosunmu from Illinois at the 30th pick! Are you kidding me? Guy is an amazing player.
There are always so many incredibly long, athletic players with very high ceilings, not to mention continued influx of international players and now G League up starts. Just check out the projected picks 1-29. This is what is eye opening and shows just how competitive it is to make it in the NBA (kind of Captain Obvious I realize :))

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This mock has Joe as a fringe 2nd rounder this year. If that was the case, and I think he would be a safe 2nd rounder if he keeps his game anywhere near where it has been to close out season, then he might want to come back to at least try to crack the first round. I dont think that is possible, but he probably feels he has to improve on say mid to late 2nd round or even not drafted.

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You bring up some good points, there are a lot of variables for sure.

I suppose teams could argue Garza carried him to a certain degree, though Joe did take a lot of tough shots. But a reasonable factor.

Yes, Garza came back but he did improve his 3 point shooting (from 36% to 45%) as well as his FT shooting. For all intents and purposes he will have been the best player in college basketball for two straight years (no way dude from Dayton was better last year against shatty comp) and STILL is not a lock first rounder!

If you look at Joe's statistics, he fills up the box score 16 points, 7 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 1 Steal, 51% shooting and 51% from 3!! His only weakness, relatively speaking is FT shooting at 70%. But that is pretty far down the list of NBA criteria. Not exactly Clank Fu (shaq) from the line!

Even though there is some risk of us not having a great year next season, I do agree with you that we have a lot of excellent pieces. Just many of them have not had to carry a lot of weight as of yet. So there is a decent chance of him being the star on a Top 25 team.

Joe could easily average 20+ PPG and improve his FT shooting to over 75% and probably increase assists given we will run a more balanced offense minus Garza. He also could add another 5LBS of muscle. But I only see all of that being worth a few spots on the draft board.

This is just one recent mock draft and it has Dosunmu from Illinois at the 30th pick! Are you kidding me? Guy is an amazing player.
There are always so many incredibly long, athletic players with very high ceilings, not to mention continued influx of international players and now G League up starts. Just check out the projected picks 1-29. This is what is eye opening and shows just how competitive it is to make it in the NBA (kind of Captain Obvious I realize :))

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Find the latest Golden State Warriors news, highlights, analysis and more with NBC Sports Bay Area and California.
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This mock has Joe as a fringe 2nd rounder this year. If that was the case, and I think he would be a safe 2nd rounder if he keeps his game anywhere near where it has been to close out season, then he might want to come back to at least try to crack the first round. I dont think that is possible, but he probably feels he has to improve on say mid to late 2nd round or even not drafted.

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Really great points. Yeah, time will tell. I'd like him to just keep doing what he's been doing! 😀 On the Ayo front, I'm shocked he's all the way down at 30. The NBA is ridiculous. Not even every first rounder lasts for more than a season. Nowadays, I would pursue baseball or some other sports if I was a really good athlete because you have to be one of the top 200 athletes (tall athletes) in the world to get drafted and stay in the league. JJ Redick has had a really solid career as a three point specialists, about 15 years in the league. Im not even sure he'd get a look out of college nowadays, probably would be projected late second round like Joe W is currently. There are a lot of incredible players who just can't compete or simply aren't given the chance to compete. Look at Uthoff. Guy was MVP of the G League all star game a year ago, I believe, and is really performing and yet he rarely even gets a ten day can contract from a team. He'll probably have to give up on the NBA G with its 35k salary and go to a top league in Europe to get paid. I think he can play in the best leagues in Europe, but any more I'm not certain of even that. It's crazy.
 
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Yes, I know Duncan Robinson did not leave early and was not a 1st round draft choice. The thing that is important is Duncan Robinson stuck to a team and all he was coming out of college was shooter with decent size and moderate athleticism. JoeW is better athlete...I think the question on him has been shooting, creating his own shot, and defense. His rebounding is very good.

JoeW is shooting lights out right now, so coming back he won't be able to improve his draft choice much other than showing more consistency. The vibe I've gotten
out of JoeW's public comments is his dream is to play in NBA, more so than being a college star. So I do think he is gone. Wouldn't mind being wrong.
 
RocknRollface said:
We more or less know what Luka will bring every game and almost every team can shut down JBO by simply putting an average defender on him.

So the success of the season will come down to Joe continuing to hit tough shots and create his own offense.

If CJ comes back to provide a third scoring option then Iowa becomes hard to beat.
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I've always been big JBO fan because he made clutch shots/got the most out of his talent. It isn't surprising to see teams be able to take him out of the game simply by sticking to him like glue. The surprising thing is in past years, teams occasionally would make defensive mistakes or JBO would just launch shots from 25 ft and he's make those shots. This year, he's been left open on defense mistakes and he's missed a bunch of those open shots. The hip surgery has made him less effective. Hopefully he gets hot again.

Iowa needs a 3rd scorer so CJ is critical and getting CJ to take shots is critical. JBO still can be effective in at least keeping defense honest. CMAC on other hand, he really should be just a role player if he can't hit an unguarded 3pt shot at >33% because teams don't guard him. He would play a lot less minutes if he were playing for any other coach in B1G, the bias is very obvious and doesn't bode well for keeping both Ulis/JoeT on the squad for next year.
 
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Really great points. Yeah, time will tell. I'd like him to just keep doing what he's been doing! 😀 On the Ayo front, I'm shocked he's all the way down at 30. The NBA is ridiculous. Not even every first rounder lasts for more than a season. Nowadays, I would pursue baseball or some other sports if I was a really good athlete because you have to be one of the top 200 athletes (tall athletes) in the world to get drafted and stay in the league. JJ Redick has had a really solid career as a three point specialists, about 15 years in the league. Im not even sure he'd get a look out of college nowadays, probably would be projected late second round like Joe W is currently. There are a lot of incredible players who just can't compete or simply aren't given the chance to compete. Look at Uthoff. Guy was MVP of the G League all star game a year ago, I believe, and is really performing and yet he rarely even gets a ten day can contract from a team. He'll probably have to give up on the NBA G with its 35k salary and go to a top league in Europe to get paid. I think he can play in the best leagues in Europe, but any more I'm not certain of even that. It's crazy.
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Yes, Uthoff is a perfect example. I still cant believe he didnt stick with my Mavs. As you said, at least Europe is an option for guys. I actually think Luka might enjoy that more as he would of course have a bigger role most likely. Weezy could carve out a decent niche in the NBA, but who knows.
 
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Yes, Uthoff is a perfect example. I still cant believe he didnt stick with my Mavs. As you said, at least Europe is an option for guys. I actually think Luka might enjoy that more as he would of course have a bigger role most likely. Weezy could carve out a decent niche in the NBA, but who knows.
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Uthoff still in the G League ...

 
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