Fleming was seen as a fairly athletic big SG from a top prep program. CW was a PG with a freak size and wingspan. Hutton was a lockdown defender with athletic ability that just needed to develop a shot.
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Fleming was seen as a fairly athletic big SG from a top prep program. CW was a PG with a freak size and wingspan. Hutton was a lockdown defender with athletic ability that just needed to develop a shot.
None of those descriptions were accurate.
Fleming went to a top program, where he learned to stand around and watch their star make plays. He had decent size, but wasn't very quick. HS also played almost zero defense, so he needed to unlearn all of the bad habits he picked up. CW was a swing player with a huge wingspan and good athleticism. Fran hoped could develop the ball skills to play some at PG. His outside shooting was even less developed. He was an above-average defender. Hutton did have the rep of being a tough defender with limited offensive skills. I think they all saw the writing on the wall when they played against Moss in practice, especially Fleming and Hutton, but he hasn't been able to consistently show that in games.
I agree with Chris's summary of Hutton.
Fran had to (or should have known) exactly what he was getting.
Not sure if this was posted. Apologies if it was. But there is some good stats at the bottom about the number of offers to 4 and 5 star players by Iowa and Iowa State.
https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/s...ssaint-yuri-collins-bryan-greenlee/877337002/
https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/s...ssaint-yuri-collins-bryan-greenlee/877337002/
Trust me, if iowa had gone 14-4 last year frans boys would magically be way better players.
What makes you think the B1G rule on 4 year scholarships doesn't apply, now that Connor is on scholarship? I really don't think using his scholarship is an option anymore. The same with Patrick. Once he's a scholarship player I think he'll stay one, whether Fran wants to borrow one or not.
I just read a story from Tom K about Fran's recruiting "toughness" in players. Sapp's name came up a few times. He was tough and bought into defense and I'd sure like to see Fran recruit someone that tough on defense.
He was, but not concensus. If I remember correctly, Rivals had him highest as a 4* in the 50+ range, and one of the other services had him 4* and in the 80+ range. I believe his 247 score was in the 200+ range but his composite was just outside the top 150 and a 3*.
I wasn't aware of the rule, which means that Fran needs to be more selective. I still think PGs in both 2019 and 2020 would be a good idea. I like the idea of having 3 guys on roster, who can play PG. Preferably, at least one can also swing to the other guard position.
What Legend said. When McDermott signed there were no 4 year scholarships. It's relatively new to the B1G (2014), and I don't even know if the Big East has gone away from the year to year tenders.
We can revisit this if Connor ever goes off scholarship which he can't/won't as long as he's at Iowa.
The 4 year rule would not apply for Connor as he was initially considered walk-on of sorts... A non-scholarship player, we'll say. Regardless, one can voluntarily go off of scholarship...
So Fran has the scholarship(s) if he so chooses to shell out some pocket change for his kids' school, and provide the team with an extra scholarship player or two... Which I would absolutely do if I were in that situation. Rarely do coaches get the opportunity to stack a team.
Patrick might end up being really good.
I saw Connor play in the HS State Championship game and he was a total wallflower. Hesitant to do much of anything. Really great high school players, even in Iowa, look like one in those types of games. Now, maybe he can help Iowa without being a true difference maker, but my mind is made up and he's not the type of player that elevates a program.
I might also be totally wrong with my "evaluation" of Connor. I'd be happy to be wrong about it.
Connor has always been one to play as well as he needs to depending on the matchup. ICW is typically stacked talent wise and Connor won two titles to prove it. There are also games where he took over, such as when he scored 28 as junior vs apple valley and Trent/Jones both of whom were 5* players.
You don’t think having a versatile, 4* player as your 6-7th scoring option elevates a program?
I don't think he's a 4-star player. But again, that's just my opinion and I'll be more than happy to admit I was wrong if he's a difference-maker. I've been around here for 16+ years and I won't disappear.
I do not think Connor is a difference maker for the Hawks. However, he should be a missing piece to the puzzle... Unfortunately tho, there is at least one more missing piece. And that piece will not be had this coming season.
Next year? Perhaps. But it would be with a stroke of recruiting luck with one of our three PG offers. And/or a grad transfer..
Remember a few years back, before Pete’s senior year, when Iowa had incredible ball movement on offense (think Marble, White teams), I think we might see some of that come back with the ball in Connor’s hands more.
One other thing I should say - I have no feel for how well Connor plays defense. Perhaps that is where he could really help this team, because that's the biggest issue the Hawks have.
The combination of adding Connor and JoeW (a true 3) should help both ball movement and defense. The shortage of perimeter players really hurt on both ends of the court, and put a lot of pressure on JBo. If Dailey and Moss are improved, this team could surprise a lot of folks. Still wish we had found a PG, especially for the defensive end.
I wouldn’t say Connor is super quick laterally but he’s still a good defender. He’s a good athlete. Heck oglesby was slow laterally and he was decent on defense.
Connor will help defensively. He has good positioning and decent footwork. He is not super quick but he has been well schooled in defense.
This team just needs some defensive IQ, legit looks like they have zero defensive IQ
One of the most lost groups I've ever seen assembled. It's like defense is something they have never previously considered.
Then to top it off, one half is lazy and the other athletically challenged.
It's a poor combination at best.
Bryan has schedule a visit to Iowa. Sounds like Iowa is his favorite. I like the fact that he is 6' 3" tall. Height is critical to guarding the peremiter.
Don't know how tall he is, but I am pretty sure Greenlee isn't 6'3". Maybe 6'1"?
It's definitely a luxury having height, but I will take Anthony Clemmons on D every day of the week.
Strong leadership and plays from the point will help elevate the program. I would like to see a player with better size than 5'10" tho. Does Connor play 2 guard at his size?
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