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21st Century: All-Iowa Transfers

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It's the offseason!

I got a good one for you. Out of all the players who transferred out of the program from 2000 - 2021, let's construct the best lineup.

Lots of players to choose from, especially during the Lickliter years.
 
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PG: Tony Freeman
SG: Jake Kelly
SF: Sommerville
PF: Tyler Smith
C: Nunge

6th: CJ Fredrick
7th: Aaron Fuller

This team would've contended for the Big 10 title, IMHO! But maybe too many players that needed the ball in their hands to be successful?
 
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PG: Tony Freeman
SG: Jake Kelly
SF: Sommerville
PF: Tyler Smith
C: Nunge

6th: CJ Fredrick
7th: Aaron Fuller

This team would've contended for the Big 10 title, IMHO! But maybe too many players that needed the ball in their hands to be successful?
Good list! Tyler Smith would be the most talented. Of course, he was just another of Alford's troubled souls and got himself thrown off the Tennessee team for drug and gun possession. If Bruce Pearl tosses you off the team, you really have to be a bad apple. Of the others, I really hated Jake Kelly leaving, but understood. Similar in ways to Nunge. Sommerville, had a nice career at Bradley. Another Alford mistake. Fuller played a bit at USC, but wasn't a difference maker. Freeman leaving, as did the best player on our team every year under Lickliter, poisoned the Chicago market for recruits, but I'm not sure he accomplished a lot at Southern Illinois. The rest are works in progress. With Alford, in particular, you could compile a long list of kids he recruited that either never saw the floor at all, or just barely, before they departed.
 

" Former ABL World Import MVP Anthony Tucker found himself quickly being picked up by the Dreamers last season after getting abruptly cut by Thailand’s Mono Vampire Basketball Club.

The 31-year-old’s play and leadership both on and off the court makes him a perennial candidate for the MVP trophy every season since winning the plum in 2018. His sweet-shooting stroke also makes him one of the most popular players in the league."
 
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"There were times last season when an unwillingness to comply with team rules and academic expectations left Iowa basketball player Rob Griffin in coach Steve Alford's doghouse. That won't be a problem anymore.

Griffin has been removed from the team, Alford announced Friday. "Rob has been dismissed from the team due to repeated violations of team policy," Alford said in a prepared statement that announced that Iowa's top-scoring player in Big Ten play a year ago would not be with the team for his senior season.

Alford said midway through the 1999-2000 season that Griffin had struggled during the first semester to live up to team expectations in areas such as class attendance.

Griffin, a 6-foot-6 forward from Ypsilanti, Mich., does not have a listed phone number and could not be reached for comment.

He averaged 12.2 points per game and 14.4 points against Big Ten competition last season for the Hawkeyes after playing two years at Southeastern Community College in West Burlington, Iowa.

Starting 19 of the team's 30 games as a junior, Griffin had his moments last season for Iowa.


He scored 36 points in the Hawkeyes' home finale against Penn State.

Griffin opened Big Ten play with a 22-point performance against Northwestern, but went 0-for-11 from the field three days later when Iowa hosted Michigan State.

That performance came after Griffin's postgame promise following the Northwestern game that he would repeat the high-scoring feat and lead Iowa to a win against the Spartans.
"The intensity wasn't there tonight, and I'm learning like everybody else that it had better be there in this league," Griffin said following the loss to the Spartans.

Alford wasn't amused.

He indicated to Griffin in a December meeting that "if he doesn't understand the importance of what we want done in the classroom and what I expect on the floor, then this probably isn't going to work out."

Alford indicated at the time that Griffin appeared to be taking the necessary steps to ensure his future on the roster.

In addition to ranking among Iowa's scoring leaders, his 40.1 percent touch from 3-point range was the best on the Hawkeye team.

Griffin averaged 3.6 rebounds per game last season and ranked second on the team in both steals and turnovers. His departure leaves Iowa with two returning starters, Dean Oliver and Duez Henderson, from last season's 14-16 team.
 
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PG: Tony Freeman
SG: Jake Kelly
SF: Sommerville
PF: Tyler Smith
C: Nunge

6th: CJ Fredrick
7th: Aaron Fuller

This team would've contended for the Big 10 title, IMHO! But maybe too many players that needed the ball in their hands to be successful?
I like your list, but might slot Sean Sonderleiter in as center. (He transferred out of college basketball halfway into his senior year, if that constitutes a transfer.)
 

" Former ABL World Import MVP Anthony Tucker found himself quickly being picked up by the Dreamers last season after getting abruptly cut by Thailand’s Mono Vampire Basketball Club.

The 31-year-old’s play and leadership both on and off the court makes him a perennial candidate for the MVP trophy every season since winning the plum in 2018. His sweet-shooting stroke also makes him one of the most popular players in the league."

Hard pass. He couldn't hold a court at the field house.
 
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Alford had more transfers, including guys that committed, couldn't get eligible and went somewhere else than probably any Iowa coach in history. All in all, the transfers, never played or left for disciplinary/academic reasons are just stunning when you go commitment by commitment.

Freeman was an OK PG but utterly insubordinate. You may hate Lick but no serious adult thinks the players should run the team. In college the coach, especially the first year coach, will always win that battle. Freeman didn't poison Chicago, Bruce Pearl did. Alford and Tony's father were teammates, I think, but definitely had som Indiana connection. Tony and his utterly assholic father, who had to be removed from the Iowa locker room after a game, were a package deal. Tony had a tough time finding anywhere to play, transferred way down from Iowa to an Illinois directional school and did little there. I haven't heard of him having brilliant success as a coach so maybe he should have known his place in the authority schematic and just done what he was told.

Sommerville-all Alford and the involuntary redshirt. That kid would have taken a lot of Worley's minutes and, as well all know, Alford's system was based on pets, who frequently shared Alford's self centered and arrogant personalities. Huge loss.

Smith-at least he wasn't at Iowa when he graduated from shop lifting to armed robbery. Its an important difference because whenever the Clowns go low we just have to say "Sam Mack".

Gary would have been good but he was never coming here without the Fraud. Kelley, Fredrick, Fuller were/are all significant losses.

Probably the most significant loss to the team he was on was Jeff Peterson's late transfer, after the close of recruiting I think. Left us with just Cully Payne and L'il Lick at PG, a true freshman and a RS freshman that was never intended to play more than garbage minutes, so that was a huge loss. Another weird Alford guy. Left Iowa as a starter because he didn't like slow play, went to Arkansas started on a very up tempo team, made it one season there and ended up a reserve at Florida State.

What about that Dickerson kid at PG? He didn't last long. Think he was struggling with the three Rs and right away knew he wasn't going to be able to play a second semester. This is that draconian environment I talk about. What would it have hurt to let this kid play and at least keep him in an academic environment?

Tucker, what a waste of talent. That kid wasn't a hard core criminal like Pierre Pierce (yet another Alford recruit that did not play out his career at Iowa) or Tyler Smith but obviously a very immature stupid college drunk. Two seasons at Iowa and both were double digit averages on a team that did not score a lot points. Average tempo offensive and he'd have been closer to 14 or 15 ppg. There might be a football player, or maybe a few, that play PU at the Field House that could be a double digit scoring starter on any Iowa basketball team but no one else that plays PU at the legendary FH could do that, and most of us have played PU at the Field House. The kid shot 43% from 3 his freshman year. He would have scored at will on anyone at the Field House, except for maybe ex Hawkeyes and a handful of football players (maybe).

What about that dullard looking Alex Thompson (name ?) whose parents got a HS coach fired, left Ames for Iowa, good for us and awfully fun to poach a kid from Lames but its a special kind of guy that does that, and then, upon becoming an Iowa starter, transfers back. He sucked so no loss but I'm guessing Alford was drawn to him like a moth to a porchlight. I don't know if that kid was dumb but he looked so dumb he could have made a film career of playing the big quiet dummy that lays a thumb for the Boss.

We'll see how Nunge turns out. He was becoming a decent defensive player and rebounder. Depending on what we see from our new threesome this could be no loss-or that lack of shot blocking and rebounding might hurt badly. TBD.

Sonderleiter left the team specifically to hurt Alford. Reiners (sp?) had just been injured and Sondy was going to start. He timed his departure carefully. Hardly noble but it gives a lot of insight into what the non-pet players thought of the Fraud.

Of course Courtney Scott gave us some insight into the Alford system of "pets" and was a decent player. Given the mass of injuries to his class over time we'd have been better had he stayed. Think the guys from his freshmen class watched Courtney in the NCAA at least once.

Rod Griffin-another dullard that probably had more than a little trouble with the "three Rs". Low character guy, didn't follow team rules and couldn't shoot over a chair (but was deadly when open).

Last, and probably least, how do you leave Joe Fermino off this list?

So Tucker, Kelly, Peterson and Fuller really were big losses to a team that had no depth and little talent. Theirtransfers gutted the program. You lose one key player that's a player thing. You lose at least 4 impact players that's a coaches problem. A lesson on how to get fired in three seasons.

Sommerville was a significant loss. Fredrick and Nunge might be significant losses, time will tell.

Otherwise, most of the losses didn't really impact the course of the teams.​
 
Alford had more transfers, including guys that committed, couldn't get eligible and went somewhere else than probably any Iowa coach in history. All in all, the transfers, never played or left for disciplinary/academic reasons are just stunning when you go commitment by commitment.

Freeman was an OK PG but utterly insubordinate. You may hate Lick but no serious adult thinks the players should run the team. In college the coach, especially the first year coach, will always win that battle. Freeman didn't poison Chicago, Bruce Pearl did. Alford and Tony's father were teammates, I think, but definitely had som Indiana connection. Tony and his utterly assholic father, who had to be removed from the Iowa locker room after a game, were a package deal. Tony had a tough time finding anywhere to play, transferred way down from Iowa to an Illinois directional school and did little there. I haven't heard of him having brilliant success as a coach so maybe he should have known his place in the authority schematic and just done what he was told.

Sommerville-all Alford and the involuntary redshirt. That kid would have taken a lot of Worley's minutes and, as well all know, Alford's system was based on pets, who frequently shared Alford's self centered and arrogant personalities. Huge loss.

Smith-at least he wasn't at Iowa when he graduated from shop lifting to armed robbery. Its an important difference because whenever the Clowns go low we just have to say "Sam Mack".

Gary would have been good but he was never coming here without the Fraud. Kelley, Fredrick, Fuller were/are all significant losses.

Probably the most significant loss to the team he was on was Jeff Peterson's late transfer, after the close of recruiting I think. Left us with just Cully Payne and L'il Lick at PG, a true freshman and a RS freshman that was never intended to play more than garbage minutes, so that was a huge loss. Another weird Alford guy. Left Iowa as a starter because he didn't like slow play, went to Arkansas started on a very up tempo team, made it one season there and ended up a reserve at Florida State.

What about that Dickerson kid at PG? He didn't last long. Think he was struggling with the three Rs and right away knew he wasn't going to be able to play a second semester. This is that draconian environment I talk about. What would it have hurt to let this kid play and at least keep him in an academic environment?

Tucker, what a waste of talent. That kid wasn't a hard core criminal like Pierre Pierce (yet another Alford recruit that did not play out his career at Iowa) or Tyler Smith but obviously a very immature stupid college drunk. Two seasons at Iowa and both were double digit averages on a team that did not score a lot points. Average tempo offensive and he'd have been closer to 14 or 15 ppg. There might be a football player, or maybe a few, that play PU at the Field House that could be a double digit scoring starter on any Iowa basketball team but no one else that plays PU at the legendary FH could do that, and most of us have played PU at the Field House. The kid shot 43% from 3 his freshman year. He would have scored at will on anyone at the Field House, except for maybe ex Hawkeyes and a handful of football players (maybe).

What about that dullard looking Alex Thompson (name ?) whose parents got a HS coach fired, left Ames for Iowa, good for us and awfully fun to poach a kid from Lames but its a special kind of guy that does that, and then, upon becoming an Iowa starter, transfers back. He sucked so no loss but I'm guessing Alford was drawn to him like a moth to a porchlight. I don't know if that kid was dumb but he looked so dumb he could have made a film career of playing the big quiet dummy that lays a thumb for the Boss.

We'll see how Nunge turns out. He was becoming a decent defensive player and rebounder. Depending on what we see from our new threesome this could be no loss-or that lack of shot blocking and rebounding might hurt badly. TBD.

Sonderleiter left the team specifically to hurt Alford. Reiners (sp?) had just been injured and Sondy was going to start. He timed his departure carefully. Hardly noble but it gives a lot of insight into what the non-pet players thought of the Fraud.

Of course Courtney Scott gave us some insight into the Alford system of "pets" and was a decent player. Given the mass of injuries to his class over time we'd have been better had he stayed. Think the guys from his freshmen class watched Courtney in the NCAA at least once.

Rod Griffin-another dullard that probably had more than a little trouble with the "three Rs". Low character guy, didn't follow team rules and couldn't shoot over a chair (but was deadly when open).

Last, and probably least, how do you leave Joe Fermino off this list?

So Tucker, Kelly, Peterson and Fuller really were big losses to a team that had no depth and little talent. Theirtransfers gutted the program. You lose one key player that's a player thing. You lose at least 4 impact players that's a coaches problem. A lesson on how to get fired in three seasons.

Sommerville was a significant loss. Fredrick and Nunge might be significant losses, time will tell.

Otherwise, most of the losses didn't really impact the course of the teams.​

Tucker SHOULD have been able to score at will at the Field house but he absolutely did not. Those dorks couldn't hold a court and it led to arguments because they wouldn't leave when they got beat. Tucker, in particular, would not shut up. FWIW, there were some very good players up there including a group that won an intramural national championship (or at least got there).

Very interesting analysis of everything else and great points raised. Good read.
 
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Tucker SHOULD have been able to score at will at the Field house but he absolutely did not. Those dorks couldn't hold a court and it led to arguments because they wouldn't leave when they got beat. Tucker, in particular, would not shut up. FWIW, there were some very good players up there including a group that won an intramural national championship (or at least got there).

Very interesting analysis of everything else and great points raised. Good read.
Was Tucker sober?
 
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Kyle Meyer ended up being a poor man's Kreiner.

Fat Pat was a good open court player but bro as a 6'1" non point guard you better be AJ Moye with a 35% 3 pointer.
 
Freeman transferring did poison Illinois HS coaches on Lickliter. He played for the legendary Gene Pingatore at St. Josephs, who was the winningest coach in Illinois HS history. He thought Freeman was mistreated at Iowa and vowed to do everything in his power to see that no more star Chicago area basketball players would ever play for the Hawks.
 
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PG: Tony Freeman
SG: Jake Kelly
SF: Sommerville
PF: Tyler Smith
C: Nunge

6th: CJ Fredrick
7th: Aaron Fuller

This team would've contended for the Big 10 title, IMHO! But maybe too many players that needed the ball in their hands to be successful?

Nicely done!

Although, Sommerville never actually wore an Iowa uniform. But a transfer nonetheless.
 
What what the name of the guy that was in prison for a while, committed to Iowa and violated Fran's rules in a month and was booted? Whatever happened to that guy?
 
Kyle Meyer ended up being a poor man's Kreiner.

Fat Pat was a good open court player but bro as a 6'1" non point guard you better be AJ Moye with a 35% 3 pointer.

Kyle Meyer couldn't carry Ryan Kreiner's sweaty jock. Meyer played few minutes, never averaged more than 2.4 ppg and hung up the sneakers a with a season of eligibility left. Ingram got up to 4 ppg but also quit with a season of eligibility remaining.
 
Freeman transferring did poison Illinois HS coaches on Lickliter. He played for the legendary Gene Pingatore at St. Josephs, who was the winningest coach in Illinois HS history. He thought Freeman was mistreated at Iowa and vowed to do everything in his power to see that no more star Chicago area basketball players would ever play for the Hawks.

If true then Gene Pingatore is an officiously intermeddling infected rectal fissure who can **** himself with the dull end of a 36" switch handled spiking mawl. After a while don't you think others might think a guy like that is just grinding his own axe?

Glad Ahron Ulis didn't listen that petty nonsense.
 
If true then Gene Pingatore is an officiously intermeddling infected rectal fissure who can **** himself with the dull end of a 36" switch handled spiking mawl. After a while don't you think others might think a guy like that is just grinding his own axe?

Glad Ahron Ulis didn't listen that petty nonsense.
He seemed decent in Hoop Dreams…. RIP
 
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He seemed decent in Hoop Dreams…. RIP
If what Ronman is saying is true you think a guy that made it his business to poison Chicago coaches and players against Iowa "seemed decent..." Doing that alone is an extremely indecent thing in and of itself. Doing it to us makes it personal.

Assholes that hurt you don't become saints just because they die. Think of how much damage this guy could have caused Iowa through the years, and all over a shit heel player with a psycho stage dad.

I was going to say he could choke on his own blood, I've been doing that for three days and t'sin't fun at all, but, ooops looks like I'm too late.
 
If what Ronman is saying is true you think a guy that made it his business to poison Chicago coaches and players against Iowa "seemed decent..." Doing that alone is an extremely indecent thing in and of itself. Doing it to us makes it personal.

Assholes that hurt you don't become saints just because they die. Think of how much damage this guy could have caused Iowa through the years, and all over a shit heel player with a psycho stage dad.

I was going to say he could choke on his own blood, I've been doing that for three days and t'sin't fun at all, but, ooops looks like I'm too late.

You are choosing Lickliter’s side in all of this??

Par for the course.
 
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If what Ronman is saying is true you think a guy that made it his business to poison Chicago coaches and players against Iowa "seemed decent..." Doing that alone is an extremely indecent thing in and of itself. Doing it to us makes it personal.

Assholes that hurt you don't become saints just because they die. Think of how much damage this guy could have caused Iowa through the years, and all over a shit heel player with a psycho stage dad.

I was going to say he could choke on his own blood, I've been doing that for three days and t'sin't fun at all, but, ooops looks like I'm too late.
Please don’t project opinions on me. I said he seemed pretty decent in Hoop Dreams and RIP. I didn’t proclaim him to be a saint nor did I address his actions in regards to Iowa. If you watch Hoop Dreams and think otherwise than we can address that.
As far as it being ‘personal’ that’s a you thing and you rock it any way you want.
 
You are choosing Lickliter’s side in all of this??

Par for the course.

Are you truly so demented that your anger over Lick's terrible performance prevents you grasping that the coach must always direct the players and never the other way around? Perhaps your multiple personality disorders have kept you from the work force.

Every organization has an organizational flow shot or schematic that tracks the different levels of authority. On an athletic team, just the team not the whole department, the top job with the most authority is the....c'mon say it with me psycho, the head coach, yes. That is the right answer.

The bottom line on the authority schematic is who? Do you know this one? Its the players, yes the players have actual authority over no one.

You know whose name isn't even on the ****ing schematic? The players' parents.

During the season and while on the field or floor no coach will tolerate players ignoring specific instructions and doing something other than the coach instructs. There is no management philosophy that would support that principle, except maybe those that arise from dementia .

I, and about 99% of other adults, would support the coach, any coach, in that situation. You can address coaching decisions after the season but during the season the boss man is the boss man.

So back to your command center in Mom's basement, gather more trivia and think of more creative ways to tell people they ought to be dead for posting things with which you disagree. For God's sake don't forget the meds, we don't need a school shooting tomorrow.
 
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Please don’t project opinions on me. I said he seemed pretty decent in Hoop Dreams and RIP. I didn’t proclaim him to be a saint nor did I address his actions in regards to Iowa. If you watch Hoop Dreams and think otherwise than we can address that.
As far as it being ‘personal’ that’s a you thing and you rock it any way you want.

You agree that doing something like to a school over one player would be a shitty thing to do then, right? Fairly petty and potentially very damaging to Iowa.

Given your screen name I assume you are an Iowa basketball fan. So someone that hurts Iowa basketball hurts you by thwarting your happiness over a successful basketball team. So the guy did something objectively bad to you personally. Not the worst thing that will ever happen in life but something bad to you.

I take it personally when people hurt the Hawks. It diminishes my enjoyment.

Why on Earth would you say anything nice about the guy whose objective was to harm your interest?

Its not a me thing, its every Iowa basketball fan thing.

No you didn't say he was a saint and my comment was advancing beyond your post. I am saying if Ronman's facts are true they guy was a shit bag and I hardly mourn his absence, indeed one less guy trashing the Hawks is a good result. I wouldn't wish death on him, that's a Legend 12 thing, but I'm not crying that a particular sore on the collective Hawkeye ass isn't out there trashing us anymore. That's a win for Iowa.
 
How about Brendan Cougill? Played one year for Lickliter and then transferred to Green Bay where he averaged 9pts./6rbs. for two years. Not sure he ever did get into shape.

Good catch. Another kid with problems that never finished his career. Another transfer that might not have been a great player but he was a lot better than the BromArch so his loss mattered. McC's first couple seasons would have been better with Brennan happy and plying well. Sad story.

One of my major complaints about Lick, other than the slow play, was the terrible misuse of Cougill. Inside player that could hit the jumper but....inside player. Big Cougs should have started on that shitty team, spent most of his time inside, not guarding quicker players on the perimeter or shooting threes and getting out of rebounding position. Brommer was terrible, Archey wasn't much better and Brennan had much more upside than either.
 
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