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22 American Soldiers Commit Suicide Every Day

Nat Algren

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Nov 23, 2014
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Clint Eastwood’s hit movie American Sniper has brought home to Americans the trauma that many veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars bring back with them. An astonishing 22 veterans commit suicide every day, according to the Department of Veterans Affairs. A disturbing and growing number are younger vets, many haunted by their experiences and poorly reintegrated into civilian life. In a 2014 survey of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans, half said they knew another veteran who had attempted suicide.

Investigator James O’Keefe, whose previous undercover videos have exposed scandals involving ACORN, PBS, and voter fraud, has interviewed people who raise disturbing questions about the VA’s inability to treat the underlying causes of veterans’ emotional problems, as it falls back on a regime of drug therapies that often mask the problems or have serious side effects that make matters worse. A video from his group Project Veritas asks why an increasing number of military graveyards are being filled with people who died at their own hands rather than in combat.

A bill to improve suicide-prevention and mental-health programs at the VA has passed both houses of Congress, but many critics believe it papers over the VA’s real shortcomings — which were put in sharp focus by a 2013 scandal in which 40 vets died at a Phoenix facility waiting for care. Veterans Affairs secretary Eric Shinseki was forced to resign.

During a recent visit to National Review, former senator Tom Coburn (R., Okla.) told me that the VA continues to suffer from poor patient care, unreasonably long wait times, and data failures. The medical records are often horribly kept and inadequate. Dr. Maureen McCarthy, deputy chief patient-care-services officer at the VA, told a congressional hearing last year that she had no faith in the numbers her own department provides, so she couldn’t provide an estimate of how long veterans wait for mental-health appointments. Retired Army sergeant Josh Renschler, who has suffered from traumatic brain injury, told the same hearing that he would become confused or lost in chaotic VA facilities and couldn’t find a friendly staff member to help direct him.

Dr. McCarthy testified before the House Veterans Affairs Committee that “we truly believe that one death by suicide is one too many.” She went on to say: “Veterans who reach out for help deserve to receive that help. A veteran in emotional distress deserves to find there are no wrong doors when seeking help.”

But in statements she made to an O’Keefe investigator who was posing as a graduate student researching a paper earlier this month, she cast doubt on just how much the VA is cleaning up its own house.

She suggested that the VA might be helping turn vets into drug addicts:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/419284/va-failures-cause-soldier-suicides
 
One less than non military Americans.
My brother is now retired as an Air Force chaplain. During the war he volunteered to go over to Iraq and help out. When he first got there he was the #2 chaplain over there. He went to #1 and said that he wanted to start a program to prevent PTSD and assist in suicide prevention. He was flatly told that that was not our mission. The unspoken message was that our mission was to get the soldiers back into combat readiness as soon as possible. He was extremely frustrated.
 
Since the military is much more vast than "combat troops" wouldn't the rate of suicide be extremely high for this demographic?
 
The affect of war on lives of those who fight is unimaginable. I'm not a veteran so I can't begin to understand the full impact. This is why it is really important for our country to be very picky when it comes to putting boots on the ground. Not every fight is America's fight.
 
My brother is now retired as an Air Force chaplain. During the war he volunteered to go over to Iraq and help out. When he first got there he was the #2 chaplain over there. He went to #1 and said that he wanted to start a program to prevent PTSD and assist in suicide prevention. He was flatly told that that was not our mission. The unspoken message was that our mission was to get the soldiers back into combat readiness as soon as possible. He was extremely frustrated.
This seems a really interesting corruption of religion by the government. Are chaplains in the military as in they have to follow orders?
 
This seems a really interesting corruption of religion by the government. Are chaplains in the military as in they have to follow orders?

They serve in the sense of wearing a uniform but have no command authority. For instance a Chaplain, regardless of rank, cannot issue an order to a Private.

Really the most they can do is give recommendations on mental health.
 
They serve in the sense of wearing a uniform but have no command authority. For instance a Chaplain, regardless of rank, cannot issue an order to a Private.

Really the most they can do is give recommendations on mental health.
Do they have a commanding officer? If they are told to tell soldiers the war is just, do they have to follow that order?
 
Do they have a commanding officer? If they are told to tell soldiers the war is just, do they have to follow that order?

Chaplains are commissioned officers so out of custom and courtesies enlisted must respect their rank such as rendering a salute. However, no one can order a soldier to attend religious services. Chaplains can be given directives, or talking points, but the ability to execute them is very limited.

Often, Chaplains provide suicide prevention briefings which have mandatory attendance. However, if a soldier is displaying suicidal tendencies or severe depression a commanding officer cannot order him to seek spiritual counseling.

But he can order the soldier to undergo psychiatric care. Even if a severely depressed solider consents to speaking with a Chaplain, the Chaplain has no authority to order follow-on actions but can make recommendations to the commanding officer. Those recommendations could then be acted upon for professional psychiatric care.
 
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Do they have a commanding officer? If they are told to tell soldiers the war is just, do they have to follow that order?

Also Chaplains must finically provide for their own Theological instruction. This means they have no service obligation to the military and can resign at any point.
 
War is hell and we should be doing anything and everything within our power to keep our young people away from the battlefield. Just watched Unbroken the other night and it's all I could think of.
 
My brother is now retired as an Air Force chaplain. During the war he volunteered to go over to Iraq and help out. When he first got there he was the #2 chaplain over there. He went to #1 and said that he wanted to start a program to prevent PTSD and assist in suicide prevention. He was flatly told that that was not our mission. The unspoken message was that our mission was to get the soldiers back into combat readiness as soon as possible. He was extremely frustrated.
I believe it. I heard someone best explain it as this. The troops are always told this is a just war. God is on our side. He hates the red man, the yellow man, blah blah blah. Killing is supposed to be the antithesis of Christianity. Chaplains are there to suppress the subconscious. Your mind is telling you that taking the life of another human, especially someone you don't know, is just wrong. The chaplain steps in and soothes your mind because your told to trust him. Why do we torture our young men like this? They're our future.
 
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They serve in the sense of wearing a uniform but have no command authority. For instance a Chaplain, regardless of rank, cannot issue an order to a Private.

Really the most they can do is give recommendations on mental health.

Has this changed in recent years? My basic training battalion commander was also a chaplain. He presided over AR-13 hearings.
 
The affect of war on lives of those who fight is unimaginable. I'm not a veteran so I can't begin to understand the full impact. This is why it is really important for our country to be very picky when it comes to putting boots on the ground. Not every fight is America's fight.
I wish there were more that understood this.
 
I believe it. I heard someone best explain it as this. The troops are always told this is a just war. God is on our side. He hates the red man, the yellow man, blah blah blah. Killing is supposed to be the antithesis of Christianity. Chaplains are there to suppress the subconscious. Your mind is telling you that taking the life of another human, especially someone you don't know, is just wrong. The chaplain steps in and soothes your mind because your told to trust him. Why do we torture our young men like this? They're our future.
Might have been a nice thing to tell that worthless rabble that met those young men coming home from Vietnam...I am sure being screamed at and called murderers and baby killers did a lot for their self worth and mental health didn't it?
 
I have to say, I've been very impressed with the VA. It does take some time. My father has Parkinson's which is suspected to come from his hauling around agent orange in Vietnam (he was a navigator in the Air Force). They always make sure he has his meds, He recently got out of skilled nursing care, and they have sent over a nurse, OT, PT, and a bath aid. They are also going to build a ramp so his scooter can get in and out of the house, and widen some doorways. I know this seems like a lot of taxpayer money, but he did his part and I'm glad they take care of him as well as they do.

I guess the point is, if you have a family member or friend who was military, check out your options at the VA. They are a bit slow, but once you are in the system, things go pretty well. I wish I had served, frankly, because they do take care of veterans who want the help, and ask for it. I wonder how much of this is not seeking the help given. Perhaps I'm provincial, and naive, as he lives in Des Moines, not Scottsdale, but no complaints here.
 
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