#8 in the new Coaches Poll
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too high
Just as long as MSU is ranked higher than us all makes sense in the world. You know, the team the Hawks curb stomped twice...yah that team that recently lost to Nebraska at Home.
Yes, all is right in the world.
Is MSU playing better than we are right now? I think so. Are we playing like the 8th best team in the country right now? Fair question I think, hope to see something good Wednesday night.
Wow the Big 12 can do no wrong.
Oklahoma loses to an unranked team and stays at #4. They are determined to have 2 #1 seeds from the Big 12
Oklahoma loses to an unranked team and stays at #4. They are determined to have 2 #1 seeds from the Big 12
I love the Hawks but it looks like we were lucky to play MSU early as they are playing about as well as anyone in the country right now. If we were to play them in the B1G tourney, I am guessing they would be favored even if we are the higher seed so at this point I don't have a problem with them being ranked ahead of us.
Those are maybe fair questions, but these fall into the 'eye test' that most on this site ridiculed during football season. Wins and losses should matter the most, IMHO.
MSU 22-5
Iowa 20-6
MSU's nonconference wins are very impressive. If it was a Big Ten ranking then you have a point. But a national ranking and MSU deserves to be ranked ahead of Iowa.
Fair enough, but in basketball, the sample size is much larger, the season longer, and the individual games mean less. Personally, I'm happy to still be in the top 10 with plenty in front of us still to win. I also think MSU's been better recently.
Oh, also, by that logic, we should be behind Maryland, and aren't.
Not unreasonable comments - I hear you on the longer season & wins getting diluted. Maryland beat Iowa once, Iowa beat MSU twice so that should count for something. And honestly, it really doesn't mean much at all whether you're ranked 6 or 8 or 9 or whatever at this point....teams are all so close especially this year.
Also, with the long season, recency should matter....is that what you mean by you think MSU is better recently? MSU's losses all came in Big Ten play (meaning relatively recently...in Jan & Feb). Iowa lost 2 games in Nov & one in early Dec of last year. Or do you mean, like, really really recently...in that case MSU is 2-1 in their last 3 games.
People hate to admit when they are wrong.. Thus the Michigan State and Okey love fest. If you cover up the names no way would Michigan State be number five..
Michigan State 6-4 last 10 games.. how do you climb to number 5 like that. Blue blood love is a blind love.
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You play teams when you play them. You play the teams on your schedule. Beating MSU twice by a total of 30 points counts just as much as Iowa losing at PSU the other night. The whole season counts...unless you're a blue blood. We see it every year in every sport. Ultimately, opinions/polls don't mean anything because they still have to play the games.
Iowa has four games left to continue earning respect. Win them and, as in football, the Hawkeyes will get their chance.
Iowa has four games left to continue earning respect. Win them and, as in football, the Hawkeyes will get their chance.
According to the link, they fell from #3 to #4. Many of the teams around them had bad weeks -- UNC lost and fell from 4 to 6. Maryland fell from 5 to 9 with the loss to Minnesota. Iowa fell from 6 to 8 after losing to Penn St. Last week's #7 (Xavier) jumped to #5 and OU was passed by UVA, who was #8 last week.
How far did you want OU to fall? As another poster pointed out, the RPI and KenPom ratings are very high.
I just believe they're playing better than us over the past 5 or so games. It seems, in typical Izzo fashion, he has them getting better in February for the March run. Meanwhile, it's safe to say we were playing much better early on in the B1G than we are now.
Okay, but let's say that Iowa ends with the same record as MSU, 'kay?
You look at that....and then you look at all the big name teams that MSU beat and all the glam and all the love for the grinning turd bag Izzo......and you process that and you let it sink in and you think you feel good about the direction your life is going...........and then you see that Iowa beat that team with all their glitzy wins and their glitzy tradition and fake - smiling coach....twice, and by double digits.
And clearly you still go with MSU because people are stupid like that.
............or you go with Iowa over MSU.
You're welcome.
Well done DarkThunder! That had a Mike Hammer tone to it. Like something Mickey Spillane would have spat out onto paper as he hit the typewriter keys like he was trying to open the cash box at the gin joint again.
Izzo? We know he's short but under the icebox with all the other vermin he's taller than most. Just a matter of perspective and a good can of Raid will take care of all of 'em. So will gas and a match and better still you don't have to pay rent no more.
Izzo? We know he's short but under the icebox with all the other vermin he's taller than most. Just a matter of perspective and a good can of Raid will take care of all of 'em. So will gas and a match and better still you don't have to pay rent no more.
I'm so confused what you are talking about right now with your ranting. Are we still talking about MSU being ranked #6 in the country and Iowa being ranked #8? Not sure what anything you said has anything to do with MSU being ranked #6 and Iowa #8. All I got out of your post is you really hate MSU and Izzo.
You knew it was only a matter of time before MSU usurped our position. Our win at MSU was huge though. Valentine was back too. Can't take that one from us.
I really don't care where we are ranked I just want us playing well again. Fran needs to find our mojo with the youngsters.
I really don't care where we are ranked I just want us playing well again. Fran needs to find our mojo with the youngsters.
Exactly, when we're playing well again, we're capable of beating anybody. When the season's over, and the tournament committee looks at total bodies of work, they'll draw conclusions like "Iowa > MSU," but for a pollster trying to rank how good teams are this week, I simply can't fault them for putting MSU 1 meaningless spot ahead of Iowa.
Well, if Iowa ends the pre-NCAA tournament season with the same record as MSU, then that would mean Iowa loses one more game than they do. What if Iowa and MSU both run the table and then MSU beats Iowa in the B1G finals. At that point, would it be absurd to have Iowa behind MSU?
The polls are a consensus result of a lot of individual votes, not a single calculated opinion. Let's flip this around and say Iowa was undefeated and #1 in the country and then lost Utoff for a few games. They lose a game while he's out and then drop 3 straight when he's back, but not back to full form yet. Then, once he's healthy, Iowa goes on a run, winning 6 of 7. Would Iowa fans not be collectively whining if they weren't regaining the same territory they had in the polls when the star went down?
Iowa hammered them twice, once with Valentine and once without. Once at Carver, once at the Izzone. MSU is playing really good ball now at a time when Iowa has been a little sloppy. They're only separated by 2 spots....there's not much to get worked up about here at this point. Iowa has been getting plenty of respect since going on the run in January and if they take care of business down the stretch and in the B1G, they'll be in position for a very good seed in the NCAA tournament (and hopefully a slot in Des Moines).
I wonder why all the blue bloods are lagging this year? Has been a great opportunity for other teams to be ranked higher with more losses. I was curious about the win/loss record in the AP this year compared to last year so I checked out what kind of record it would have taken last year to be in the top 10. Every one of the AP Top 25 that was posted Monday has more losses compared with the top 10 for the same Monday last year.
Of course this week last year #1 Kentucky was at 27-0 compared to #1 Villanova's 24-3 when it was posted Monday.
The Top 10 posted Monday has 28 less wins and 23 more losses than the top 10 did for the Monday of week 16 last year.
Week 16 last year started the week the top 10 teams having 250 wins and 23 losses. Monday when week 16 was posted the top 10's record is 222 wins and 46 losses. A Cinderella team might win it all this year.
Of course this week last year #1 Kentucky was at 27-0 compared to #1 Villanova's 24-3 when it was posted Monday.
The Top 10 posted Monday has 28 less wins and 23 more losses than the top 10 did for the Monday of week 16 last year.
Week 16 last year started the week the top 10 teams having 250 wins and 23 losses. Monday when week 16 was posted the top 10's record is 222 wins and 46 losses. A Cinderella team might win it all this year.
That's the key to this, I think. The most unusual season I can recall. My first reaction is that MSU and KU are ranked too highly....then I start to say who should be ranked higher, and it's hard to come up with a compelling argument because EVERY team has had "down" periods. What team has no "bad" losses -- "bad" in the sense that you don't expect a Top Ten team to have them? Answer: None. This isn't like one of those standard years when the bluebloods maintain a high ranking despite a couple of losses while a Wichita State or Creighton or the like goes unbeaten and can't rise in the polls.
You just did some of the data analysis that validates what we've all been feeling as we watched the season unfold.
There really aren't the relatively great teams this season compared to what we've seen in years past. The gap between teams is significantly smaller. Should make for a great NCAA tournament.
There really aren't the relatively great teams this season compared to what we've seen in years past. The gap between teams is significantly smaller. Should make for a great NCAA tournament.
