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The only problem is... this is a subjective take. You can bet your ass that people on the right (not just Q nuts) believe that there is a substantial threat from "The Left" when it comes to social and political circumstances. I don't believe there is an equivalent bunch like the Q nuts on the left, but that's because I lean left in my perspective.
The OP made a pretty ludicrous comparison, in my view. That is exactly the kind of behavior that people that lean right, and especially the Q nuts, are going to see as "extremism." Calling the GOP the new Nazis is just going to make things worse. The GOp hasn't shown me that they want to build concentration camps and commit genocide. Just like I don't see Democrats trafficking children for sex and killing babies to harvest their potency.
People who allow themselves to kill other people, in war, are doing it to stay alive and because they can dehumanize the people on the other "side."
The reasons why wars "start" are usually due to some wealthy men who want something or want to protect something and they get the poor men to slaughter each other to obtain that goal.
But you just claimed it was due to "dehumanizing" people. Not due to "rich people".
Which "rich people" are pushing the GOP narratives to incite hundreds of their followers to "storm the Capitol"?
If it is GOP rich people, shouldn't we be holding them to account, instead of having folks like Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and Steve Bannon lying to them, routinely?
Are you trying to embody the subject of his quote? You're attempting to make people believe absurdities. What atrocities do you have for us next? As always, any contribution you offer always does more harm than good for the alleged side you claim to be on or for.
This.Is.The.Point
Mainstream folks on "the Left" drown them out. They don't get headline footing on "left leaning news shows".
And, then I went further into detail. I'm sorry I didn't cover all the necessary details in one post, Dr. Voltaire.
You don't even realize where YOU ARE on this scale! You think you're the rational baseline. Guess what... YOU'RE NOT!
Everything you offer is so biased that you can't even see it. That is the problem with people who believe they are either left OR right. You're both in a cult. You're both convinced that the other side is always wrong and you're always right. You have no perspective at all.
How many children in the children's hospital have died so far because of all the unvaccinated that attended Iowa football games?.................
Ignore that one ya stubborn old fart. You said it after all.
I'm not saying their Nazi's. . . I'm saying they are heading down a road like the Nazis which is to normalize violence against innocents as a good thing.
And quite frankly I wish both sides would use the term socialist correctly. AOC is not a socialist no matter what she says or the Republicans say. Her political philosophy is more or less that of social democracy.
And quite frankly I hope she's pushed out in the primaries by someone who's willing to put country over ideology and be a team player.
Compare AOC’s policies to socialism. Great. Compare R rhetoric to that of nazism. Fine. Constructive discussion should be possible. Call Rs nazis. Dumb. Call AOC a socialist. Also dumb.
If people weren’t so quick to being poutraged and triggered, maybe some good dialogue could occur. Instead, we have the fun we have.
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The anti-Jewish rhetoric picked up steam long before that point. Read Mein Kampf (1925). And many Germans saw Hitler as their savior because they had been that desperate. In short, they would have bought into anything.
As you well stated, it was a long process that led to the genocide. The desperation of the German people after WW1 was very much a part of the process, as Jews were being conveniently scapegoated for the German people’s economic hardships even prior to the rise of Hitler.
There aren’t nearly that many people aggrieved in the United States today. What you are seeing today is good old fashioned tribalism at its worst. I will agree Trump and the movement he inspired are the most egregious offenders of tribalism. That is without question true.
None of that is an antecedent or direct line to genocide, though. The comparison is faulty. On many levels.
And yet, still not enough to broad brush. Maybe say there is some straight up nazism in the fringes of the Right wing. “Rs are Nazis” is dumb.
Were it only the "fringes", we wouldn't have a problem with right-wing extremism in this country.
This is the point: it's becoming "mainstreamed".
See, I disagree with this. Read your own words, carefully, then think about Trump’s ascent and his rhetoric from the beginning—including the birther crap. And, no, today’s American may not have the same cause to feel aggrieved, or the scale is different, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t as widespread albeit on some lesser, more subtle level. People feel an economic anxiety and insecurity now. And they’re looking for someone to blame. Trump was/is really good at scapegoating, and even better at picking the usual suspects to scapegoat.
It’s all super-reminiscent of circumstances leading to nazism. I’ve said this countless times now, and it’s never really disputed: whenever there is an uptick in economic anxiety/insecurity, there is almost always an uptick in racist-style rhetoric and xenophobic-style scapegoating. It’s a really easy tool to wield by those in power for whom “keeping things as they are” is of real interest.
I'm a loooong way from thinking there could be another Holocaust-type event but I'm just around the corner from wide-scale targeted violence against people identified as Democrats. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see coordinated bombings of party headquarters in many states and mass shootings at rallies. There are poeple out there just itching to be martyrs...it's a very "Christian" thing to do. Anyone who says those kinds of attacks are unlikely isn't paying attention...or thinks they would be appropriate. At it's most extreme, I can see many in the GQP leadership turning a blind eye to those kinds of attacks.
All these people claiming the right is on the way to genocide while at the exact same time celebrating the deaths of unvaccinated people. Talk about normalizing hatred and dehumanizing a population. Look in the mirror you lower functioning hypocrites. Lol
I agree 100% with you.
The reason why I take issue with capricious comparisons to Nazism is because the equivalence you mentioned is indeed being pushed and proper distinctions are not being drawn.
Parallels can be made to about anything throughout history. And in doing so, it often creates a slippery slope of false equivalence that is reckless and dangerous. Right now, certain members of the GOP should be highlighted on their own merits of reprehensible behavior and rhetoric. Drawing Nazi comparisons does the exact opposite of what it’s intended to do, though, which is to sound the alarm of how concerning and problematic the Trump movement is; the hyperbole undermines that and waters it down.
In short, let the Trump movement be spotlighted for what it is, not for what it’s not. If you have to revert to Nazi references and tropes (without clear cut evidence) to bolster your argument, then you have already lost the debate.
This is not at all subjective. It's that kind of claim that normalizes "they're running pedo rings out of a pizzeria and drinking the blood of children in Satanic worship". People who belong to that cabal are winning elections to serve in Congress. That ain't a "fringe" movement.
I do not for a minute subscribe to a "New Holocaust" but, as I said, widespread, coordinated violence against Democratic targets isn't at all far-fetched. And it's, at the very least, being implicitly - if not EXPLICITLY - endorsed at the highest levels of the GOP when they try to dismiss a violent attack on the Capitol in support of a coup as "tourists" on holiday That's not some random guy on a backwater message board - that's the national leaders of a major party.
Not at all, in any way, even remotely the same.
She IS a socialist...a democratic socialist. Just about every living, breathing US citizen is somewhere on that particular spectrum. Those that claim otherwise are generally lying. Or too stupid to know what it means.
“Heading down the road”. They’re about 10 miles into a 3000 mile trip.
Interstate 90 goes all the way from Seattle to Boston. But the vast majority of cars you see on I-90 in Seattle are not headed to Boston. A lot of them are probably headed to Issaqua or North Bend. Some of them might be headed to Spokane. Some may even be headed as far as Missoula or Bozeman or Billings or Rapid City.
Technically they’re all on the road to Boston, but very few of them are actually headed to Beantown.
There’s really only one reason to draw parallels between Republicans and Nazis. You know it. I know it. Anyone with a functional brain knows it.
Nothing evokes visceral images quite like referencing Nazis. It’s nothing more than political hyperbole.
Tell that to every poster who loses their shit every time someone refers to her as a socialist.
Again, none of that is in dispute. The question is this: Are the parallels being drawn today evidence of a precursor to eventual genocide or is this simply libturds immersed in tribalism and hyperbole arbitrarily connecting the dots for their own political aims?
We can draw comparisons to common traits of the nascent stages of the Nazi movement in 1930s Europe all night. That’s not really saying much, though. The Nazis were very much tribal in their political, social, and military endeavors. But not all forms and expressions of tribalism are created equally, thankfully.
So, again, I ask: What compelling evidence exists that Republicans are on the road to creating concentration camps and slaughtering 6 million libturds? If all anyone has got is Q nuts are crazy and Republicans demonize their political adversaries, then that’s not cogent or compelling.
Who is "celebrating"?
Reddit has set up a HermanCainAwards thread mocking them; but that's not "celebrating".
What "compelling evidence" existed that the Germans would do this, starting in the early 1920s?
Give me a "for instance" and I'll call them out by name right here. How's that?
No.
1920's Hitler was mostly unknown and considered a sideshow at the time.
And Hitler also suffered zero consequences from an attempted coup.
Gaslighting. Yes that is a tactic of the left and right too. Good example, thank you.
I agree, but it’s not because the comparison is wrong—because the parallels are there and should be alarming—it’s because the American people can’t handle shit. We’re just so damn emotional about everything. And we defeated nazism and it’s a big source of pride, a big reason for our superiority complex. So to even suggest we could be in the middle of a similar movement is simply impossible for many to consider without a rise in blood pressure.
People need to give some thought to how otherwise perfectly normal, everyday people got swayed into and caught up in the hatred of nazism a century ago. Just as perfectly normal, everyday folks today are getting caught up in similar stuff. And that it is finding itself into our Congress, well, that’s pretty remarkable.
Kinda crazy, right? That we’re in this kinda sorta zeitgeist? But we’re in it, despite that it can be hard sometimes to see it with the clarity afforded by the passing of some time.
Brexit rhetoric. RW/Trump rhetoric. Rise of xenophobic rhetoric in many pockets of Europe with all the human migration over the last ten-plus years.
We got a lot of nasty shit afoot. (Yes, I am referencing my texts from the other day.)
How is Reddit's Herman Cain Awards "gaslighting"?
They pull posts directly from the threads of anti-vaxxers, who end up on ventilators (and often die).
That's not "gaslighting". The narrative is "karma" for folks who listen to Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson over their own Primary Care Physicians.
Link? I mean, I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I’m getting a feeling the actual instances of this are few and even then there is some context to consider.
Please, link me.
I hope you are right but people casually dropping threats that they want to kill fellow Americans and people in power being mostly ok with that or outright egging it on is pretty damn scary. And honestly after Trump and 1/6 I no longer hold the belief of "can't happen here" with anything.
