trump was ahead of his time with his golden showers.He should have tried urine.
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trump was ahead of his time with his golden showers.He should have tried urine.
They ARE different.Argue with this twat, not me:
“Vaccines are different than drugs.” - Joes Place
Argue with this twat, not me:
“Vaccines are different than drugs.” - Joes Place
It's "vaccine pricing", not "drug pricing". - Joes Place
Vaccines are different than drugs. - Joes Place
Sure, they're a TYPE of drug. - Joes Place
Keep going, this is entertaining.
You've already acknowledged that vaccines are a subset of drugs, go back to arguing drug pricing with the Phizer CFO.As noted for you, they ARE different.
They PREVENT disease, rather than typically TREATING disease.
You've already acknowledged that vaccines are a subset of drugs
You started the semantics argument claiming vaccines weren’t drugs.That is very very different from what we commonly use drugs for and how we use them.
So, if semantics is your thing here, go crazy.
And they -generally speaking- are NOT considered drugs, because of the normal way "drugs" are used to treat existing diseases.You started the semantics argument claiming vaccines weren’t drugs.
Do you know what the F in CFO stands for?And they -generally speaking- are NOT considered drugs, because of the normal way "drugs" are used to treat existing diseases.
You continue to Gish Gallop into this, when the entire point has been that vaccines are NOT "profit machines" for pharmaceutical companies.
Go look up those numbers for yourself; I do not care what some random out of context quote from some random pharma CEO said. It's not the case.
Do you know what actual Financials mean?Do you know what the F in CFO stands for?
Do you know what the F in CFO stands for?
Do you know what actual Financials mean?
2% of total pharma revenues are vaccines.
My argument is that pharma companies can charge more for patented drugs.Practically rounding errors, compared with their normal drug sales.
Again- Do Not Care what some rando exec was quoted saying, because you have no idea what the context is here. But it's very easy for you to look up what their annual revenues from vaccines vs regular drug sales. You won't do that, because it undermines your argument.
Talking about Phizer.
I can't wait to see your definition of 'small fraction'And the Covid vaccine is still a small fraction of Pfizer's profits.
I can't wait to see your definition of 'small fraction'
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/02/business/pfizer-earnings/index.html
New York (CNN Business) Pfizer reported that earnings and sales more than doubled in the past quarter, and it raised its outlook for results the full year, thanks greatly to its Covid-19 vaccine.
The company reported adjusted earnings of $7.7 billion, up 133% from a year earlier. Revenue soared to $24.1 billion, up 134%. Both easily cleared results forecast by analysts.
The vaccine business alone was responsible for more than 60% of the company's sales, as vaccine revenue rose to $14.6 billion from only $1.7 billion a year earlier. The company said its Covid vaccine sales accounted for $13 billion of that revenue. Revenue outside of its Covid vaccine business was up a far more modest 7%.
This year, the Covid vaccine has brought in revenue of $24.3 billion. And Pfizer said it expects a total of $36 billion from the vaccine for all of 2021 -- nearly $12 billion more in revenue the final quarter of the year. And it said based on contracts it now has signed it expects revenue $29 billion from the Covid vaccine in 2022.
I love how you catch brick after brick in the face being wrong and come back for more.Now, show us the profits numbers, because the vaccine revenues look really big, but the actual profits are much less.
Margins on drugs are 5x, 10x kinds of returns.
Margins on the vaccines are about 30%.
I love how you catch brick after brick in the face being wrong and come back for more.
Revenue outside of its Covid vaccine business was up a far more modest 7%.
Given that fact (I gave you the link and quoted it on this page), what do you think explains the 133% increase in revenue and 134% increase in profits?
Answer my question, and then I'll address your mischaracterization and misattribution.Dude: YOU started this by claiming "pandemic rates" on vaccines of $150-200
Which is UTTERLY FALSE
Pfizer gets <$20 per dose. Period.
That they are making lots of REVENUE is due to huge DEMAND for those doses. But they are NOT LARGE MARGIN sales. Not remotely close to the margins on "blockbuster drugs".
I know you want that to not be the case, but IT IS THE CASE.
Answer my question, and then I'll address your mischaracterization and misattribution.
Revenue outside of its Covid vaccine business was up a far more modest 7%.
I do, I'm trying to figure out if you do. Where did the profits come from?Do you understand the difference between "revenues" and "profits"?
I do, I'm trying to figure out if you do. Where did the profits come from?
Answer the question (the one you deliberately edited out of your response, you gormless worm).
Revenue outside of its Covid vaccine business was up a far more modest 7%.
Again you've ducked the question, Gormless Worm.Again: you don't seem to understand revenues vs profits.
Again you've ducked the question, Gormless Worm.
No, I said I would address your mischaracterization and misattribution after you answered my question.You've abandoned your claims on "pandemic pricing" completely, haven't you?
Yes.
I have a math problem and I need your help.Yes.
You have.
Pfizer is getting <$20 a dose.
Nothing remotely close to your "CFO claim".
I have a math problem and I need your help.
I’m trying to help this guy understand something:What's your math problem?
Can you tell Joes Place where those $4.4 billion in profits came from since the non-Covid side of the business only increased by $.7 billion dollars in revenue?Now, show us the profits numbers
I’m trying to help this guy understand something:
Can you tell Joes Place where those $4.4 billion in profits came from since the non-Covid side of the business only increased by $.7 billion dollars in revenue?
Can we get back to your "CFO" claiming "pandemic pricing", where there's NOTHING OF THE SORT!!!! ????I’m trying to help this guy understand something:
VACCINE REVENUES outside of Covid vaccine revenues, bro.Revenue outside of its Covid vaccine business was up a far more modest 7%.
I can't wait to see your definition of 'small fraction'
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/02/business/pfizer-earnings/index.html
New York (CNN Business) Pfizer reported that earnings and sales more than doubled in the past quarter, and it raised its outlook for results the full year, thanks greatly to its Covid-19 vaccine.
The company reported adjusted earnings of $7.7 billion, up 133% from a year earlier. Revenue soared to $24.1 billion, up 134%. Both easily cleared results forecast by analysts.
The vaccine business alone was responsible for more than 60% of the company's sales, as vaccine revenue rose to $14.6 billion from only $1.7 billion a year earlier. The company said its Covid vaccine sales accounted for $13 billion of that revenue. Revenue outside of its Covid vaccine business was up a far more modest 7%.
This year, the Covid vaccine has brought in revenue of $24.3 billion. And Pfizer said it expects a total of $36 billion from the vaccine for all of 2021 -- nearly $12 billion more in revenue the final quarter of the year. And it said based on contracts it now has signed it expects revenue $29 billion from the Covid vaccine in 2022.
Again: you're mixing annual profits with quarterly numbers.I’m trying to help this guy understand something:
Can you tell Joes Place where those $4.4 billion in profits came from since the non-Covid side of the business only increased by $.7 billion dollars in revenue?
Where did they get $4.4 billion in profits when non-Covid side of the business only increased revenue by $.7 billion dollars.?Again: you're mixing annual profits with quarterly numbers.
They've report numbers like that regularly in the past.Where did they get $4.4 billion in profits
Tell Joes Place where the $4.4 billion in profits came from when non-COVID revenue increased only $.7 billion.They've report numbers like that regularly in the past.
IIRC, a couple years ago they had $20B or more in annual profits.
So, AGAIN: How is "$20 a dose" somehow "pandemic pricing"?
This is your premise. Quit Gish Galloping.
Tell Joes Place where the $4.4 billion in profits came from