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A family in public housing makes $498,000 a year.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...year-and-hud-wants-tenants-like-this-to-stay/

And HUD wants tenants like this to stay.


A family of four in New York City makes $497,911 a year but pays $1,574 a month to live in public housing in a three-bedroom apartment subsidized by taxpayers.

In Los Angeles, a family of five that’s lived in public housing since 1974 made $204,784 last year but paid $1,091 for a four-bedroom apartment. And a tenant with assets worth $1.6 million — including stocks, real estate and retirement accounts — last year paid $300 for a one-bedroom apartment in public housing in Oxford, Neb.

But HUD has no plans to kick these families out, because its policy doesn’t require over-income tenants to leave, the agency’s inspector general found. In fact, it encourages them to stay in public housing.

“Since regulations and policies did not require housing authorities to evict over income families or require them to find housing in the unassisted market, [they] continued to reside in public housing units,” investigators for Inspector General David Montoya wrote.
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...year-and-hud-wants-tenants-like-this-to-stay/

And HUD wants tenants like this to stay.


A family of four in New York City makes $497,911 a year but pays $1,574 a month to live in public housing in a three-bedroom apartment subsidized by taxpayers.

In Los Angeles, a family of five that’s lived in public housing since 1974 made $204,784 last year but paid $1,091 for a four-bedroom apartment. And a tenant with assets worth $1.6 million — including stocks, real estate and retirement accounts — last year paid $300 for a one-bedroom apartment in public housing in Oxford, Neb.

But HUD has no plans to kick these families out, because its policy doesn’t require over-income tenants to leave, the agency’s inspector general found. In fact, it encourages them to stay in public housing.

“Since regulations and policies did not require housing authorities to evict over income families or require them to find housing in the unassisted market, [they] continued to reside in public housing units,” investigators for Inspector General David Montoya wrote.
Sounds like Hawkeye football players.
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...year-and-hud-wants-tenants-like-this-to-stay/

And HUD wants tenants like this to stay.


A family of four in New York City makes $497,911 a year but pays $1,574 a month to live in public housing in a three-bedroom apartment subsidized by taxpayers.

In Los Angeles, a family of five that’s lived in public housing since 1974 made $204,784 last year but paid $1,091 for a four-bedroom apartment. And a tenant with assets worth $1.6 million — including stocks, real estate and retirement accounts — last year paid $300 for a one-bedroom apartment in public housing in Oxford, Neb.

But HUD has no plans to kick these families out, because its policy doesn’t require over-income tenants to leave, the agency’s inspector general found. In fact, it encourages them to stay in public housing.

“Since regulations and policies did not require housing authorities to evict over income families or require them to find housing in the unassisted market, [they] continued to reside in public housing units,” investigators for Inspector General David Montoya wrote.
So was the rent actually subsidized, or were they paying full price?
 
So was the rent actually subsidized, or were they paying full price?

this is a good question. i didnt read the article just what was posted. section 8 funding varies greatly from person to person. a person may have started on section 8 and had no job and multiple kids and had their rent 100% paid for. as their kids left the home and their job status changed the amount that is paid for by section 8 is reduced. i have seen people that receive less than $50 a month in subsidy remain in the program because the future is always uncertain. meaning that they maybe able to afford 100% of their rent today but if something were to happen in the future that they suddenly couldnt then they would already be in the program and wouldnt have to wait the years that many wait to get into the program.
 
"The agency is only required to consider a tenant’s income when an individual or family applies for housing, not once they’re in the system."

The article states that about 100 million will be spent helping pay the rent of 2.5% of total participants. Those who would not pass the income levels if they were to apply today.

With waiting lists for help, seems no reason to me that these tenants shouldn't be expected to leave.
 
So was the rent actually subsidized, or were they paying full price?
In a new report, the watchdog for the Department of Housing and Urban Development describes these and more than 25,000 other “over income” families earning more than the maximum income for government-subsidized housing as an “egregious” abuse of the system. While the family in New York with an annual income of almost $500,000 raked in $790,500 in rental income on its real estate holdings in recent years, more than 300,000 families that really qualify for public housing lingered on waiting lists, auditors found.
 


Well, as many of us know, welfare stimulates the economy. Leaches to society provide many benefits to the hard working majority of Americans: 1) their (leaches) personal economy is good/thriving, 2) giving leaches money earned by hard working Americans actually limits overseas investments by the masses thus increasing the prosperity of a few citizens (the leaches), 3) It keeps taxpayers from being too greedy, 4) something.
 
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Well, as many of us know, welfare stimulates the economy. Leaches to society provide many benefits to the hard working majority of Americans: 1) their (leaches) personal economy is good/thriving, 2) giving leaches money earned by hard working Americans actually limits overseas investments by the masses thus increasing the prosperity of a few citizens (the leaches), 3) It keeps taxpayers from being too greedy, 4) something.

Post of the day on all HROT threads. Sarcasm in the form of mockery was off the charts. Use in another thread showed patience and stealth. Timing was perfect. And my personal compliments for this, "4) something", going the extra mile is appreciated.

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However, I don't agree with your outlook in the slightest...I just appreciate the style.
 
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The Department of Housing and Urban Development said Tuesday that in response to an unsparing audit by its watchdog, it’s urging public housing authorities across the country to kick out tenants who make too much money to qualify for government subsidies.

“It may be legally acceptable, but it is morally unacceptable for people who could pay market-rate rents to be in public housing,” a senior HUD official said of the disclosure that more than 25,000 tenants earn more than the maximum income to get into public housing –almost half of them making $10,000 to $70,000 more.

“We agree there has to be some change,” said the official, who requested anonymity because the agency is “still in discussions about options we have to ensure that we don’t encounter this problem in the future.”

[A family in public housing makes $498,000 a year. And HUD wants tenants like this to stay]

The crackdown represents an about-face from the agency’s response to the audit by Inspector General David Montoya’s office, which found a family of four in New York City taking home a $497,911 salary but paying just $1,574 in rent for a three-bedroom apartment in public housing. The review described this family and other tenants who cross HUD’s low-income threshold but get to stay in cheap apartments “egregious” abuses of the system that are squeezing out truly needy families.

HUD’s deputy assistant secretary for public housing and voucher programs had denounced the report before its release in late July as contradicting HUD policy, which allows “over-income” families to stay because evicting them could destabilize their progress toward self-sufficiency.

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Source: HUD Inspector General
But in recent weeks, the agency’s policy has apparently evolved. “You’ve really got to look at, what is the intent of public housing?” the senior official said. “It’s to serve people with limited options.”

But housing advocates are furious with the inspector general’s review, and Tuesday they took their private criticism public.

“It’s the Trump syndrome,” said Saul Ramirez, chief executive officer of the National Association of Housing and Redevelopment Officials, referring to presidential candidate Donald Trump. “It’s, let’s go bang on people who can’t defend themselves and take an issue in the wrong direction.”

Ramirez, a former HUD deputy secretary, said the inspector general’s conclusions are being unjustly manipulated by conservatives.

[How Section 8 became a ‘racial slur”]

On Tuesday, Rep. David Jolly (R-Fla.) who sits on the committee that oversees funding for HUD, called for a congressional investigation, telling Secretary Julian Castro in a letter that Americans “deserve to know that their tax dollars are used for those rightfully in need of assistance, and not irresponsibly squandered subsidizing those in the highest income brackets.”

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Source: HUD Inspector General
Public housing authorities have to balance opposing goals. They want economic diversity in old, often-crumbling projects. And they want to make room for millions of poor people who linger on long waiting lists. Most people in public housing have an average annual income of just over $13,000.

HUD’s leverage to force housing authorities to evict higher-earning tenants is limited by current law: Families can stay as long as they want, no matter how much money they make, as long as they are good tenants. Complicating what HUD can do are structural realities. While the federal government pays the subsidies, states and local governments run the housing authorities day to day.

So the agency is issuing guidance to more than 3,000 housing authorities that “encourages [them] to establish policies to reduce the number of over-income tenants in public housing,” the official said.

Ramirez and other housing advocates say these tenants are positive role models who keep the projects from becoming isolated corners of poverty. Families whose income goes above 30 percent of the average income in their area can be charged higher rents, a decision HUD officials said is up to local housing authorities.

Ramirez called the inspector general’s report “a devolution of this inspector general’s desire to dictate policy to HUD.” He said Montoya “has no jurisdiction whatsoever” over tenants who earn more than they did when they came into public housing, because the law allows it.

“The inspector general looks at waste, fraud and abuse,” Ramirez said. “None of those things are happening here.”

Advocates say housing authorities have been forced by years of federal budget cuts to rely on residents whose incomes rise, raising their rents to help replace shrinking subsidies from Washington.

Even so, before the inspector general’s review, HUD was pushing successfully for changes in Congress that would prod higher-earning tenants to leave public housing on their own. As of this year, housing authorities are required to set flat rents for tenants whose income rise at 80 percent of the fair market rent for the apartment. The new rules are being phased in over three years.

But the inspector general concluded that the policy’s potential to coax tenants from public housing would be “marginal,” because rent increases are limited to no more than 35 percent a year, “and [this] may not prevent the egregious cases illustrated” in the audit.

“The IG is making a mountain out of a molehill,” said Timothy Kaiser, executive director of the Public Housing Authorities Directors Association. Higher-earners represent 2.6 percent of the 1.1 million public housing tenants, the review found.

“It’s a very small population,” Kaiser said. “There’s always been criticism that public housing concentrates the very poor in poor neighborhoods. Now they have role models to show other residents the value of work and allow a better income mix.”

Ian O’Connor, a spokesman for the inspector general’s office, said the audit “speaks for itself.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ing-families-who-earn-too-much-money/?hpid=z1
 
Post of the day on all HROT threads. Sarcasm in the form of mockery was off the charts. Use in another thread showed patience and stealth. Timing was perfect. And my personal compliments for this, "4) something", going the extra mile is appreciated.

th


However, I don't agree with your outlook in the slightest...I just appreciate the style.


The fact that he doesn't know how to spell leeches detracts from it quite a bit though. You might want to consider removing the plus;)
 
And as far as the OP goes, I'm not surprised that the rich have found yet another way to make the rest of us pay for their stuff.
 
this is a good question. i didnt read the article just what was posted. section 8 funding varies greatly from person to person. a person may have started on section 8 and had no job and multiple kids and had their rent 100% paid for. as their kids left the home and their job status changed the amount that is paid for by section 8 is reduced. i have seen people that receive less than $50 a month in subsidy remain in the program because the future is always uncertain. meaning that they maybe able to afford 100% of their rent today but if something were to happen in the future that they suddenly couldnt then they would already be in the program and wouldnt have to wait the years that many wait to get into the program.
The reason as I understand is that rather than an on Going process it's as you state. It's only done once when they apply. We need to change the process because thousands of deserving people are waiting
 
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The fact that he doesn't know how to spell leeches detracts from it quite a bit though. You might want to consider removing the plus;)

That was part of the art. I'm thinking, what if someone printed the best of these out and put them in frames...Folk Art!
 
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Public housing is just a plain bad idea.

I was waiting for it to come around to this. Why even post a link that halfway finds a problem but one that could be fixed, when the fact is you just don't like the whole program?
 
I was waiting for it to come around to this. Why even post a link that halfway finds a problem but one that could be fixed, when the fact is you just don't like the whole program?
"It" breeds reliance on public assistance, generation after generation live in public housing because they can, not because they have to.
 
"The agency is only required to consider a tenant’s income when an individual or family applies for housing, not once they’re in the system."

The article states that about 100 million will be spent helping pay the rent of 2.5% of total participants. Those who would not pass the income levels if they were to apply today.

With waiting lists for help, seems no reason to me that these tenants shouldn't be expected to leave.

Trump's right - they're all a bunch of friggin' idiots.
 
"It" breeds reliance on public assistance, generation after generation live in public housing because they can, not because they have to.

So you throw up a big smoke screen about the 2.5% making too much money to really deserve to be getting aide...but when that gets essentially considered and fixes agreed upon, out comes the "We don't want the whole thing anyway"?

I get it Bob. Many posters on here get it. You think there are millions of people living on whatever dime you happen to pay in taxes, and they don't deserve it and are all lazy. But, and this doesn't get said often enough, the real problem is you don't understand how in this society people get left off the prosperity train all the time. It's competition, Bob! Some people lose.

Get over it. Others get to win because we set it up that way. Welcome to winning! You get to keep most of the prize money but guess what...call it a participation ribbon or whatever you want, we don't let people in this country starve or die of exposure. At least we try not to.

So, quit whining or pretending you're being taken advantage of...cripes, the real leaches are people like you that are all about themselves.

You call it. Do you really want this man vs. man to the death? Freaking knuckle dragging goons. Ooooooh, whine, whine, I have to pay taxes..........oooooh, it hurts!!!
 
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So you throw up a big smoke screen about the 2.5% making too much money to really deserve to be getting aide...but when that gets essentially considered and fixes agreed upon, out comes the "We don't want the whole thing anyway"?

I get it Bob. Many posters on here get it. You think there are millions of people living on whatever dime you happen to pay in taxes, and they don't deserve it and are all lazy. But, and this doesn't get said often enough, the real problem is you don't understand how in this society people get left off the prosperity train all the time. It's competition, Bob! Some people lose.

Get over it. Others get to win because we set it up that way. Welcome to winning! You get to keep most of the prize money but guess what...call it a participation ribbon or whatever you want, we don't let people in this country starve or die of exposure. At least we try not to.

So, quit whining or pretending you're being taken advantage of...cripes, the real leaches are people like you that are all about themselves.

You call it. Do you really want this man vs. man to the death? Freaking knuckle dragging goons. Ooooooh, whine, whine, I have to pay taxes..........oooooh, it hurts!!!
Dan, there is no such thing as a free lunch as someone is paying for it and at that this point in time we have more taking than paying.

Do you know what happens then, the takers keep taking.

Social programs are out of control, we are on our 3rd or 4th generation of welfare mammas and no end in sight.

It needs to stop, middle class America is being taxed to death to finance the lifestyles of those with little or no ambition who feel it is their right to get free everything.
 
Dan, there is no such thing as a free lunch as someone is paying for it and at that this point in time we have more taking than paying.

Do you know what happens then, the takers keep taking.

Social programs are out of control, we are on our 3rd or 4th generation of welfare mammas and no end in sight.

It needs to stop, middle class America is being taxed to death to finance the lifestyles of those with little or no ambition who feel it is their right to get free everything.

What has me ticked is how you started the thread about one thing, when clearly it has nothing to do with what you really believe. That's backhanded Bob.

And exactly what do you propose to do with these people? Let them starve? Let them live outdoors? Let's say it is because they are just lazy? Well than, it exposes a problem doesn't it? Apparently the lure of wealth just doesn't work on some people. But it sure seems to me you are supposing that they are the same people, or the same children of the same people, for some fault of breeding?

Bull....! Some of the most successful people in our history rose up from poverty. It can happen. It just doesn't happen all the time. And that isn't because of who people are, its because we arranged our society on the competition based win or lose of wealth. Some people lose!

Pay your taxes and complain. Someday when the people who raised themselves up are paying taxes for your grandkids...it will work itself out.

Of course, that's presuming the game isn't fixed. And frankly, it is.
 
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What has me ticked is how you started the thread about one thing, when clearly it has nothing to do with what you really believe. That's backhanded Bob.

And exactly what do you propose to do with these people? Let them starve? Let them live outdoors? Let's say it is because they are just lazy? Well than, it exposes a problem doesn't it? Apparently the lure of wealth just doesn't work on some people. But it sure seems to me you are supposing that they are the same people, or the same children of the same people, for some fault of breeding?

Bull....! Some of the most successful people in our history rose up from poverty. It can happen. It just doesn't happen all the time. And that isn't because of who people are, its because we arranged our society on the competition based win or lose of wealth. Some people lose!

Pay your taxes and complain. Someday when the people who raised themselves up are paying taxes for your grandkids...it will work itself out.

Of course, that's presuming the game isn't fixed. And frankly, it is.
I hear the same thing about illegal criminals who have scurried across the border under the cover of darkness "what are you going to do with these people".


We are starting to hear the same thing about violent street criminals regarding where to put them?

At some point we have to deal with the issues, kicking the can down the road only makes it worse.

Regarding people living off the public dole Greece is a perfect example of what happens when more are collecting than paying in.
 
I hear the same thing about illegal criminals who have scurried across the border under the cover of darkness "what are you going to do with these people".


We are starting to hear the same thing about violent street criminals regarding where to put them?

At some point we have to deal with the issues, kicking the can down the road only makes it worse.

Regarding people living off the public dole Greece is a perfect example of what happens when more are collecting than paying in.

Bob, you're all over the map here. Criminals? Illegal immigrants? We group the poor in with them now? I don't buy it and frankly I feel bad for the folks living in poverty as clearly they get treated like dogs.
 
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Bull....! Some of the most successful people in our history rose up from poverty. It can happen. It just doesn't happen all the time. And that isn't because of who people are, its because we arranged our society on the competition based win or lose of wealth. Some people lose! . . .

If the there are no jobs for these welfare recipients, why are millions and millions of immigrants entering this country to work? I get your point, but employment isn't a zero-sum concept.
 
"The agency is only required to consider a tenant’s income when an individual or family applies for housing, not once they’re in the system."

The article states that about 100 million will be spent helping pay the rent of 2.5% of total participants. Those who would not pass the income levels if they were to apply today.

With waiting lists for help, seems no reason to me that these tenants shouldn't be expected to leave.

Or, if not forced to leave, not remain subsidized.
 
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If the there are no jobs for these welfare recipients, why are millions and millions of immigrants entering this country to work? I get your point, but employment isn't a zero-sum concept.

Correction. Millions and millions of illegals are entering this country looking for work.
 
You'd think some posters here would be impressed and inspired by the great boot-strap story of the OP.
 
Correction. Millions and millions of illegals are entering this country looking for work.

I'm sure you, and others, don't believe it, but I read a fivethirtyeight article the other day (calling out Trump) that was saying these "millions and millions" claims are quite overblown. There are a lot of illegal immigrants, but the numbers have been largely stagnant, according to the article.
 
I'm sure you, and others, don't believe it, but I read a fivethirtyeight article the other day (calling out Trump) that was saying these "millions and millions" claims are quite overblown. There are a lot of illegal immigrants, but the numbers have been largely stagnant, according to the article.

You also didn't mention the illegals who enter the country seasonally.
 
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