A team full of players who couldn't make the NCAA two years in a row ...

[HawkCharlotte]

are entering the portal. This is a good thing for Iowa's MBB. Time to start getting players who can play like a team, play defense, and go to the NCAAs.

I don't get all the emotion surrounding Fran being let go.

He had 15 long years to get it done. He couldn't get it done. 0 sweet 16s, a few NCAA wins, and 1 Big Ten tournament championship. I think we got everything from Fran he can give.

Time to give a new guy a chance!

 

[raiderman7]

agree

 

[jberesford]

Largely agree, but with the way rosters flip with new coaches it's in your best interest to figure out landing spots. As you implied this isn't team with recent success. The new guy doesn't have to do a multi year rebuild anymore to replace the guys that were leftover from the last guy getting fired. I imagine most would stay if they don't get Crean'd by the new coach, but you have to know what your options are if that happens. Can't get caught without a chair when the music stops.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

I don't get all the emotion surrounding Fran being let go.

Emotion? Do you mean happiness?

 

[HawkLogic]

Emotion? Do you mean happiness?

Fran had a core group of supporters. There is a greiving process for them.

I don't think it is talked enough about how did Fran blow $1.5 million in NIL on that roster---some players got overpaid. Dix earned his money for sure, the rest...depends on salary.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

Fran had a core group of supporters. There is a greiving process for them.

I don't think it is talked enough about how did Fran blow $1.5 million in NIL on that roster---some players got overpaid. Dix earned his money for sure, the rest...depends on salary.

Fran has lost, or never had, the ability to construct a "team". It's seems he just tried to get the best offensive players that would come to Iowa.

 

[iahawks10]

Fran had a core group of supporters. There is a greiving process for them.

I don't think it is talked enough about how did Fran blow $1.5 million in NIL on that roster---some players got overpaid. Dix earned his money for sure, the rest...depends on salary.

You have no idea how much Dix made. You have no idea what Freeman or Brauns made. You have no idea if the reported $1.5 million in total NIL is even remotely accurate.

The only thing we know for certain is that you have no idea, but you’re talking out of your ass like it’s fact.

 

[HawkCharlotte]

Emotion? Do you mean happiness?

Post of the year!!!! Thank you!!!

 

[TheTruthTheWholeTruth]

1.5 million is a drop in the NIL bucket for an entire team. Some individuals make that or more. Unfortunately Iowa won’t be a player until NIL is addressed by large donors.

 

[LukaDuka]

You have no idea how much Dix made. You have no idea what Freeman or Brauns made. You have no idea if the reported $1.5 million in total NIL is even remotely accurate.

The only thing we know for certain is that you have no idea, but you’re talking out of your ass like it’s fact.

It's the number that's been thrown around all year by many. Do you have another number? Do you know what others don't? NO? then move along.

 

[iahawks10]

It's the number that's been thrown around all year by many. Do you have another number? Do you know what others don't? NO? then move along.

No I don’t and neither do you or Logic. It’s also reported that number is 18th in the B1G, yet here we criticizing what Iowa could have / should have done with it.

It’s like saying the Oakland A’s should have done more when other teams are paying more for a single player than their entire budget.

 

[HawkCharlotte]

No I don’t and neither do you or Logic. It’s also reported that number is 18th in the B1G, yet here we criticizing what Iowa could have / should have done with it.

It’s like saying the Oakland A’s should have done more when other teams are paying more for a single player than their entire budget.

Fran wasn't able to get to the Sweet 16 in all the years prior to NIL.

NIL $$ isn't Fran's problem. It's his coaching.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

1.5 million is a drop in the NIL bucket for an entire team. Some individuals make that or more. Unfortunately Iowa won’t be a player until NIL is addressed by large donors.

Why does it need to be addressed beforehand?

I think part of the problem with Iowa is that they want to be shown that there's reason to invest millions MORE in NIL before they decide to start writing checks.

Which, I mean........that's how it used to be in America. You put in the work, and you get rewarded.

This "we want guarantees before we lift a single finger" bullsh** is the real root of the problem when it comes to paying players.

But the actual adults (not the college kids) are to blame for caving in and allowing that to happen in the first place way back when the thought of legalizing pay for play (NIL) was still just that.

 

[doughuddl2]

Fran wasn't able to get to the Sweet 16 in all the years prior to NIL.

NIL $$ isn't Fran's problem. It's his coaching.

It's a problem now. Problem hiring a new coach and top players.

 

[TheTruthTheWholeTruth]

Why does it need to be addressed beforehand?

I think part of the problem with Iowa is that they want to be shown that there's reason to invest millions MORE in NIL before they decide to start writing checks.

Which, I mean........that's how it used to be in America. You put in the work, and you get rewarded.

This "we want guarantees before we lift a single finger" bullsh** is the real root of the problem when it comes to paying players.

But the actual adults (not the college kids) are to blame for caving in and allowing that to happen in the first place way back when the thought of legalizing pay for play (NIL) was still just that.

After looking at it more maybe NIL really isn’t the problem. From what I’ve heard, Iowa was offering between 5-6 mil/year in NIL. However the actual salary for the job was 3.5 while Indiana offered 7. Men’s Basketball isn’t prioritized at all. We should have just kept Fran if things are going to remain status quo.

 

[Slim45]

After looking at it more maybe NIL really isn’t the problem. From what I’ve heard, Iowa was offering between 5-6 mil/year in NIL. However the actual salary for the job was 3.5 while Indiana offered 7. Men’s Basketball isn’t prioritized at all. We should have just kept Fran if things are going to remain status quo.

I think it was smart not paying Devries that kind of $, especially after paying 10mil in buyouts to get him. Think that likely had as much to do with not getting Devries as him not liking the amount of NIL funds we could promise. We’re only a handful of days removed from Fran being fired, need to slow down and let it play out before getting worked up over what possibly could happen.

 

[Rifler]

Why does it need to be addressed beforehand? I think part of the problem with Iowa is that they want to be shown that there's reason to invest millions MORE in NIL before they decide to start writing checks. Which, I mean........that's how it used to be in America. You put in the work, and you get rewarded.

NIL isn't the reward,.. NIL is the payroll.

 

[HawkLogic]

You have no idea how much Dix made. You have no idea what Freeman or Brauns made. You have no idea if the reported $1.5 million in total NIL is even remotely accurate.

The only thing we know for certain is that you have no idea, but you’re talking out of your ass like it’s fact.

The $1.5 million figure comes from same rumor/twitter sources that brought us things like Devries as candidate at Iowa and that Devries had two schools interested (looks to be true, we now know Indiana was other one). Twitter sources also told us why Devries would not take Iowa job and told us he had taken Indiana job before it was annoucned. I never claimed it was fact but the estimate does seem reasonable to me. You can't claim it is not true. We do know the Iowa NIL was not zero, so Iowa players were paid.

Perkins left last year with ~ $450K from Missouri despite the consensus that he loved Fran. Dix and Freeman were better players and they stayed. Your assumption is that Iowa didn't come up with anything competitive to keep them on the roster and they stayed at Iowa out of goodwill. It makes more sense that they got money that was at least somewhat competive. A NIL resouce of $1.5 million would explain how Iowa could have made a competitive offers to Freeman and Dix and Sandfort but not have money for Perkins.

As far a how much Freeman got vs how much Braun got, you can look at PT last year and get pretty good idea how Fran valued the two Athletes. Not a knock on Braun--he did a great job when he got a chance.

We do know you have been a Fran backer in years past--and now he's gone, so maybe time to acknowledge Fran was terrible at raising NIL The fact that you doubt the $1.5 million NIL figure suggests he was even worse with NIL than rumored. So Fran was terrible at bringing in NIL and terrible at bringng in Fans to Carver. He was fired/let go because the AD at very least decided he wasn't getting the job done and you were late to realize that.

 

[Ladell-hawk]

After looking at it more maybe NIL really isn’t the problem. From what I’ve heard, Iowa was offering between 5-6 mil/year in NIL. However the actual salary for the job was 3.5 while Indiana offered 7. Men’s Basketball isn’t prioritized at all. We should have just kept Fran if things are going to remain status quo.

That 5 or 6 million is the TOTAL they had to offer for all sports. Football is going to get most of that and rightly so, it pays all the bills. I think the 1.5 million number put out there for basketball is probably accurate. Fran was at a disadvantage compared to most Big Ten schools. If you fire Fran you better have significantly more money for the new coach. It doesn’t seem like we do.

 

[icwesthawk]

OP seems to put a lot of the criticism on the players for lack of success. I put it more on the coach.

 

[Ronman]

Fran wasn't able to get to the Sweet 16 in all the years prior to NIL.

NIL $$ isn't Fran's problem. It's his coaching.

So you are assuming that McCaffery coached his stars to miss their shots and not rebound or play defense. I seriously doubt that. If anything, his players were too limited to be effective in the tough B1G.

 

[Ronman]

Why does it need to be addressed beforehand?

I think part of the problem with Iowa is that they want to be shown that there's reason to invest millions MORE in NIL before they decide to start writing checks.

Which, I mean........that's how it used to be in America. You put in the work, and you get rewarded.

This "we want guarantees before we lift a single finger" bullsh** is the real root of the problem when it comes to paying players.

But the actual adults (not the college kids) are to blame for caving in and allowing that to happen in the first place way back when the thought of legalizing pay for play (NIL) was still just that.

Well, the NIL deal is here and coaches need to embrace it or fall by the wayside. We just happen to have two coaches that were reticent about changing their operations, and so thusly Iowa has fallen behind, maybe to never catch up given our resources.

 

[DewHawk]

I think it was smart not paying Devries that kind of $, especially after paying 10mil in buyouts to get him. Think that likely had as much to do with not getting Devries as him not liking the amount of NIL funds we could promise. We’re only a handful of days removed from Fran being fired, need to slow down and let it play out before getting worked up over what possibly could happen.

DeVries was evidently all about money, so he would not have lasted long anyway. How could he survive on $4/5 million at Iowa. It really is about greed.

 

[MLJHawk]

Fran wasn't able to get to the Sweet 16 in all the years prior to NIL.

NIL $$ isn't Fran's problem. It's his coaching.

Do your homework! I believe 1987 was the last time Iowa made it to the Sweet 16! And only four or five times in the history of the program! The University is a great great academic institution but has trouble getting players! Infact, Tom Davis won with George Ravilings players! Maybe it’s time for a black coach! Not many in the Big10!

 

[Hawkaholic18]

I wonder if Fran was helping to bring NIL $ to the table? Is that the sole responsibility of the Athletic Department? Should coaches help or do they have enough to do? Crazy times.

 

[Slim45]

Do your homework! I believe 1987 was the last time Iowa made it to the Sweet 16! And only four or five times in the history of the program! The University is a great great academic institution but has trouble getting players! Infact, Tom Davis won with George Ravilings players! Maybe it’s time for a black coach! Not many in the Big10!

 

[TampaHawkfan]

Do your homework! I believe 1987 was the last time Iowa made it to the Sweet 16! And only four or five times in the history of the program! The University is a great great academic institution but has trouble getting players! Infact, Tom Davis won with George Ravilings players! Maybe it’s time for a black coach! Not many in the Big10!

Let me do your homework for you.

Iowa Hawkeyes men's basketball - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

NCAA tournament runner-up
1956

NCAA tournament Final Four
1955, 1956, 1980

NCAA tournament Elite Eight
1955, 1956, 1980, 1987

NCAA tournament Sweet Sixteen
1955, 1956, 1970, 1980, 1983, 1987, 1988, 1999

NCAA tournament round of 32
1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2001, 2015, 2016, 2019, 2021

NCAA tournament appearances
1955, 1956, 1970, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2001, 2005, 2006, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2019, 2021, 2022, 2023

Conference tournament champions
2001, 2006, 2022

Conference regular season champions
1923, 1926, 1945, 1955, 1956, 1968, 1970, 1979

 

[hawkirugged17]

Let me do your homework for you.

Iowa Hawkeyes men's basketball - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

NCAA tournament runner-up
1956

NCAA tournament Final Four
1955, 1956, 1980

NCAA tournament Elite Eight
1955, 1956, 1980, 1987

NCAA tournament Sweet Sixteen
1955, 1956, 1970, 1980, 1983, 1987, 1988, 1999

NCAA tournament round of 32
1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2001, 2015, 2016, 2019, 2021

NCAA tournament appearances
1955, 1956, 1970, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2001, 2005, 2006, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2019, 2021, 2022, 2023

Conference tournament champions
2001, 2006, 2022

Conference regular season champions
1923, 1926, 1945, 1955, 1956, 1968, 1970, 1979