Except he was terminated for his actions on October 16, 23, and 26 - at least according to the opinion.
Activist Asks To Lead Satanic Prayer At FL High School Football Game
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Kirk Ferentz tells the Hawkeyes summer workouts are voluntary… totally fine if they don’t show up. Won’t have anything to do with playing time!
Back to the original story. Were any players impacted by not participating and didn’t play or played less?
Haven't read the entire thread, so maybe this was already covered. I get the concept of equal representation. If there was a Jewish player or a Muslim coach on the team who wanted to lead a prayer in his faith, go for it. I support your right to free religious expression.
But this guy has zero affiliation with the team, yes? Shouldn't you at least have to be in some way a part of the team in order to be allowed to lead a prayer? I mean, by that logic, if I want to lead the UCLA cheerleaders in a prayer before a game, the university has to let me. Right?
But this guy has zero affiliation with the team, yes? Shouldn't you at least have to be in some way a part of the team in order to be allowed to lead a prayer? I mean, by that logic, if I want to lead the UCLA cheerleaders in a prayer before a game, the university has to let me. Right?
I agree 100% but like someone said earlier, there will be some Karen's throw a fit and give them all the attention they're looking for.
IMO it really doesn't matter if they would or wouldn't have playing time impacted. This is a team game at a public institution and the football program belongs to the athletes ultimately. The adult leader knowingly decided to introduce something potentially divisive to his program for no apparent material benefit to the program. It should almost be considered professional malpractice if one's capacity for developing strategies for team building is made a priority for a coach's skillset. He should be probably coaching division 3 somewhere instead of at a public HS.
This point is exactly what is wrong with the decision. In what school district is a football coach immediately released of responsibility when the final horn sounds? None. Coaches are the last persons leaving the building postgame after the locker rooms are empty and the parking lots have cleared. If that is what the majority is hanging their opinion on, they’re mistaken and frankly unaware of the real world they live in and the actual responsibilities that school coaches take on.
There’s a lot of things wrong beyond that including the implicit social pressure/coercion that some of the players will experience, an assumed favoritism towards a particular religion in allowing a prayer on school grounds on school time, etc. but perhaps the most egregious of all is protecting this outward public display of devoutness and faith of these attention whore type Christians who I find to be the most annoying MFers on the face of the earth. Save your BS rites and public displays of your holiness for your own people, the rest of us thank you and really DGAF to witness your sanctimonious I’m a better Christian than you crap. And by the way, your god likely doesn’t give two shits about your football team or the game you just played. That coach that was fired should send his resume to PJ Fleck, he’d fit right in with his look at me culture.
What’s divisive about praying by oneself? And giving inspirational speeches to people who are voluntarily listening? The reaction is a lot more divisive than the initial action.
I was extremely silent when 40,000 Muslims prayed at U.S. Bank Stadium in Minnesomalia just 4 days ago. (I wasn't anywhere near Downtown as it turns out I'm allergic to crime infested Liberal Shitholes)
Happy now?
I know many holier than thou football coaches that may not play kids. This is precisely the problem this creates.
would you be happy with teachers pushing their religious views in school and having kids wonder if their grades depend on playing along.
It's how this new Court rolls.
They just make up whatever facts they need to support their pre-conceived decisions.
Sure
If he was pushing his religious views in school I’d agree with you….he wasn’t IMO. He was praying…
I know some folks see that as coercive but I don’t.
If this coach wants to “pray by himself” after games, why does he feel the need to go to midfield and make a public spectacle of it?
Only how people view it makes it a spectacle. Why is it so offensive to some?
He's pushing them AT A SCHOOL FUNCTION. Where he is STILL responsible for the students ON SCHOOL PROPERTY.
How many kids you seen leave. I’ve coached over 25 years too and haven’t seen it.
He wasn’t pushing anything. They voluntarily joined. Players asked other players to join including opponents. Two players initially felt uncomfortable, one agnostic and one non-believer, they both later became captains on the team.
So are public school grounds. A football game is not an organized religious event.
I'm going to approach this as someone who went to Catholic school before getting an internet subscription at home. I fundamentally don't understand Protestant perspectives on ministry, I think. Catholics have plenty of goofball folk wisdom about the faith, but you're not really taught that football matters to God or that there is a right way to do football as a Christian that would be functionally different from secular sportsmanship. You go to the worker house or similar when it's your turn to do ministry.
Suppose the community around this public school is 100% Christian or there are no issues with coercion. It's still just this random football guy teaching other peoples' kids about theology after hours? Why football instead of Bible school or youth ministry camps? When I was in high school, weight lifting was more optional than a specific version, the same version every time, of the Lord's Prayer before kickoff. So now if I'm the minister coach, the way around the obvious coercion issues with a pregame routine is to momentarily retreat from chaperone duties to go pray by myself in front of everyone after the game concludes? Almost seems to be inviting a comparison to Christ praying in the garden? Is that what I'm going for? The Last Supper every Friday night in the fall?
Leave because of prayer? Zero. On field Prayer has had met ZERO effect and has caused zero drama my entire career.
Doesn’t bother me, I know what I believe. As I’ve said previously I’ve played a ton of sports with hundreds and hundreds of guys, never met a satanist in the bunch. I don’t think they are competitive.
That’s the problem - it is not possible to measure such a thing. The issue is that such things are coercive by nature.
Yes, this is the total point. Guy is a douche bag Christian. Praying in the center of the field is as much an activist move as the satan guy asking to pray.
1. Goes to the middle of the field as if the 50 yard line is a better antenna to God.
2. Is praying in his school uniform, visible to all.
He has all sorts of options:
1. Pray in his pickup truck before or after the game.
2. Use the coach's office in the locker room
3. Use the parking lot.
4. Go to church after the game, you know that actual house of God where worshipers gather.
This picture speaks volumes. Notice the 1 kid from the opposing team. That kid is actually probably Christian and is not coerced. This isn't an outpouring of Christians at a gathering. Why aren't kids from the other team out there? Surely based on population demographics there must be more Christians on the opposing team. Why aren't they joining? That makes me believe there must a be a kid who feels compelled or coerced to be in that group.
I really don't think you read that closely. The awful she mentioned was about some of the SC rulings and their general thought processes
This cartoon probably describes the situation as well as any. As another poster pointed out early on, it's really a question of whether the football field is public forum, not whether the guy can pray in public to whoever he wants. If he were an assistant coach or school administrator, or even a parent of a kid on the team I can't imagine there'd be a problem here.
If, however, the field is more in the category of the building, and this guy has no connection to it or reason to be there, then he may need to hold his prayer at the flagpole or in the park (schools aren't just letting anyone in the door these days).
Of course, he's a self-described atheist, so the very fact that he wants to pray to any diety says he's only doing it for purposes of activism, and it's not sincere. That's really beside the point, but tells you plenty about the type of person he is, regardless of what he believes.
The fact you made these 2 posts in the same thread is awesome.
The fact you don't understand why it's concerning is awesomely concerning.
