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This (assuming the school generally makes the field available to anyone post game). Though I'm not sure I'd want to be him in the parking lot after the crowd thins out.He can do so after the game with whatever members of the community want to join him.
And that's the problem with allowing these public displays of religions in government institutions.This (assuming the school generally makes the field available to anyone post game). Though I'm not sure I'd want to be him in the parking lot after the crowd thins out.
Hmm. It hasn’t seemed to be a huge issue in thousands of functions since 1776...And that's the problem with allowing these public displays of religions in government institutions.
See my edits. There is a lot less "public" to this than the football coach case. If I were the board, I would say, "what are you asking us for?" The real issue is, "is the football field after the game the same thing as the flagpole?"And that's the problem with allowing these public displays of religions in government institutions.
Agree 100%.I love this too! These are the exact kinds of responses that recent Supreme Court rulings and various state statutes need in order to point out how truly awful they are. If the coach can lead a Christian prayer, this activist should be allowed to lead a satanic prayer for the exact same reason.
Are you suggesting that a group of true-believing Christians would resort to violence?This (assuming the school generally makes the field available to anyone post game). Though I'm not sure I'd want to be him in the parking lot after the crowd thins out.
Tens…hundreds of thousands. And what percentage would you guess were conducted in a religion other than “Christian”?Hmm. It hasn’t seemed to be a huge issue in thousands of functions since 1776...
Satanic guy should be allowed to pray by himself on the field after the game.....I love this too! These are the exact kinds of responses that recent Supreme Court rulings and various state statutes need in order to point out how truly awful they are. If the coach can lead a Christian prayer, this activist should be allowed to lead a satanic prayer for the exact same reason.
if that is what any other religion's proponent would be allowed to do, fine.Satanic guy should be allowed to pray by himself on the field after the game.....
I think anyone should be allowed to pray by themselves after a game....if people want to join them. Fine.if that is what any other religion's proponent would be allowed to do, fine.
And that's the problem with allowing these public displays of religions in government institutions.
I love this too! These are the exact kinds of responses that recent Supreme Court rulings and various state statutes need in order to point out how truly awful they are. If the coach can lead a Christian prayer, this activist should be allowed to lead a satanic prayer for the exact same reason.
if that is what any other religion's proponent would be allowed to do, fine.
if that is what any other religion's proponent would be allowed to do, fine.
What’s awful about satanic prayer?I love this too! These are the exact kinds of responses that recent Supreme Court rulings and various state statutes need in order to point out how truly awful they are. If the coach can lead a Christian prayer, this activist should be allowed to lead a satanic prayer for the exact same reason.
in Florida? Absolutely.Are you suggesting that a group of true-believing Christians would resort to violence?
The problem is, when you drill down into these things, the people who advocate for this sort of thing usually aren't in fact advocating for a comparable that is distinguished solely by the denomination of the religion. Indeed, I'd wager that about 85% of those so advocating have not in fact read the decisions they seek to "point out" are problematic.I love this too! These are the exact kinds of responses that recent Supreme Court rulings and various state statutes need in order to point out how truly awful they are. If the coach can lead a Christian prayer, this activist should be allowed to lead a satanic prayer for the exact same reason.
If EVERYONE is required to maintain a "moment of silence" while led in Christian prayer, then they will be required to maintain the same "moment of silence" for any other religion's prayer.if that is what any other religion's proponent would be allowed to do, fine.
Team prayers are explicitly what the SC did allow.Team prayers ect shouldn't be allowed.
There's a fine line and I don't think the SC crossed it with their ruling.
Did that happen? Seems to me a coach started praying by himself after games. Anything else is false equivalency.If EVERYONE is required to maintain a "moment of silence" while led in Christian prayer, then they will be required to maintain the same "moment of silence" for any other religion's prayer.
Anything else is government favoring one religion over another.
No, the Coach organized a Team Prayer after the games.Did that happen? Seems to me a coach started praying by himself after games.
Organized?No, the Coach organized a Team Prayer after the games.
See photo on Page 45 (PDF pg. 45) of the opinion.Did that happen? Seems to me a coach started praying by himself after games. Anything else is false equivalency.
He led a voluntary prayer. A bit different than what your implying. He started by himself, others joined voluntarily. He went back to by himself when asked by the school to stop leading others. Then they asked him to stop altogether on school grounds. None of it was required and all were welcome to pray or not pray to whomever or whatever they believe in.No, the Coach organized a Team Prayer after the games.
Fact check: FalseTeam prayers are explicitly what the SC did allow.
He led a voluntary prayer. A bit different than what your implying.
Fact check: False
CLAIM: The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that teachers, staff and coaches can now lead students in prayer in public schools.
AP’S ASSESSMENT: Missing context. The nation’s highest court said that a public high school football coach was protected by the Constitution when he knelt and prayed on the field after games. However, the ruling specified that it was “private speech” and the justices in the majority emphasized the fact that the coach prayed after the games were over when he was not responsible for students. Constitutional lawyers say the ruling does not give school employees unfettered freedom to lead students in prayer at school.
Posts distort Supreme Court ruling on coach’s prayer
CLAIM: The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that teachers, staff and coaches can now lead students in prayer in public schools. AP’S ASSESSMENT: Missing context.apnews.com
One he wasn’t the head coach. And two, I’ve been a part of situations like this and not everyone participates, it’s projection on your part assuming all have to participate or they’ll be punished in some way.If you think it's a "voluntary" prayer when you are a player on the team and your head coach, the guy who decides if you play, is praying, you are fooling yourself.
One he wasn’t the head coach. And two, I’ve been a part of situations like this and not everyone participates, it’s projection on your part assuming all have to participate or they’ll be punished in some way.
2nd to last instance of him praying he was by himself.....last instance he was by himself and then joined by parents.Look at the photo on PDF pg. 45 of the opinion, and tell me if you agree with Alito's description:
Joseph Kennedy lost his job as a high school football coach because he knelt at midfield after games to offer a quiet prayer of thanks. Mr. Kennedy prayed during a period when school employees were free to speak with a friend, call for a reservation at a restaurant, check email, or attend to other personal matters. He offered his prayers quietly while his students were otherwise occupied.
Whats the problem?And that's the problem with allowing these public displays of religions in government institutions.
Were you alive in the 80s? This comment wreaks of someone who's not familiar with the satanic church.I love this too! These are the exact kinds of responses that recent Supreme Court rulings and various state statutes need in order to point out how truly awful they are. If the coach can lead a Christian prayer, this activist should be allowed to lead a satanic prayer for the exact same reason.
It happens every season at every level. Dont make assumptions w/o basis.If you think it's a "voluntary" prayer when you are a player on the team and your head coach, the guy who decides if you play, is praying, you are fooling yourself.