Add OK State to Big Ten
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It would be good for college wrestling if the powerful teams were in different conferences to promote rivalries and also to increase interest among other schools in the different conferences.
College wrestling doesn’t have anything to do with conference expansion. They would have taken OK but not interested in OK ST.
Regardless, I also think it’s debatable whether that would be good for the sport
Regardless, I also think it’s debatable whether that would be good for the sport
It would damn near make the Big ten tournament the national tournament….
I know conference realignment doesn’t take wrestling into account in the big picture but there are circumstances where teams compete in conferences in one sport right?
UNi competes in the big 12 in wrestling doesn’t it?
Don’t really have a take on how it would affect the sport overall but Okie State and maybe Missouri in the BIG would be wild
not sure how you would award numbers of qualifiers in that scenario…… I’m a boomer not a big fan of all this change personally
I'm a Gen X and not a big fan of all this change either
The reason you are not a big fan of all this change is probably the same reason I am not a big fan of it. No one is worried about the kids getting a good experience and learning the lessons that sports can teach them. No one is saying, what can we do to help the kids.
The people directing these changes are only thinking of ways to maximize their money intake. The more money they can make - the bigger their salaries can be and the more of their friends they can hire in administrative roles within the athletics department.
Amen…… capitalism shouldn’t have to have its grip on everything 🙄💰💰 whenever money’s involved priorities change and corruption seems to follow
The subject at hand was adding them to the conference overall. Sure, affiliate members are a thing but as others have said, can’t see it being good for wrestling.
Oh yea…. I tend to lose track of the “subjects at hand”…… apologies 😂
I really can’t see it being good for wrestling as well
Carry on
I think it would be terrible for college wrestling. They almost single-handily support an entire conference. Why would it help the sport to kill a conference so Okie St can fight Minnesota for 8th place in the B10?
I think Okie State enjoys being the "big fish in a little pond".
In the B1G, they're outside the top tier.
In the B1G, they're outside the top tier.
If the top tier is just PSU, you would be correct. However, they are absolutely on level with Iowa and tOSU.
Since Brands took over Iowa is 8-7-1 against OkState in dual meets. At NCAA’s Iowa has finished ahead of OkState 9 out of 15 under Brands. I didn’t feel like adding up team scores at NCAA’s, but I would bet they are pretty close as well.
What you fail to take into consideration is what being in the B1G, with a B1G schedule and B1G tourney, does to individual records and the eventual seedings/qualifying for Nationals. Okie State typically runs roughshod through the Big12 and qualifies all, or most, of their team every year... which leads to higher seedings.
The Cowboys finished outside the top ten this season at Nattys and is a sign of things to come. They're a middle of the pack team if they're in the B1G.
Big fish in a little pond. Hell... in ten years with a new HC, ISU might pass them.
You ok Mitch? That’s almost a compliment for the Clowns 😂
Heck, for Mitch, that’s heaping praise on the Clones.
To be fair, they were more decimated by injuries than even Iowa. Their defending Champ drove his car into a ditch and didn’t compete, Wittlake could barely stand on the mat, by the end of the year. Even Gfeller and Geer were held together by tape.
Still, you just put Ferrari back on the mat and they push into the top 5, let alone Wittlake at 85% or better.
Injury excuses are for wusses.
Think I heard or read that somewhere?
Every team in the country deals with injuries.
Every team deals with them, but some do it more successfully than others. I would say Iowa and OSU were definitely hampered the most. There is only 1 Spencer Lee out there, the rest of us are just wusses to some degree or another.
Hayden Hidlay said Kemerer was the toughest SOB in the building.
This probably won’t be a popular take but I wonder if we start our kids too early in real competition and they wrestle too many matches a year and maybe the wear and tear shows up in college
sure see like we’re seeing a higher incidence of nagging almost chronic injuries than we used to
sure see like we’re seeing a higher incidence of nagging almost chronic injuries than we used to
No way in hell Okie is invited to the big10 so it's all a moot point. Same with ASU.
Sounds like they may be duking it out in the Big12 though, if pieces fall in place.
If ASU were allowed to join, Playboy’s Girls of the Big Ten would get instant street cred. But I don’t even know if Playboy does that kind of thing anymore.
ASU is potentially a wrestling powerhouse….. they’d be a great addition for wrestling and girls of playboy…. Not much else 😂
What's your backup for this take?
NCAA team titles are 4-1 (or arguably 5-1) with Okie State's title coming in Brands' first year. Okie State has 3 team score finishes in the teens over that time, while Iowa has not been out of the top 5 since Brands year 1. Factor that in and things aren't all that close, really. I'd guess that team scores are 30+ more per tournament on average.
It's more a prediction that Okie State falls to the Clone's level.
If he hadn't built so much cred over the decades, Smith would have more pressure on him. As it is, he'll be allowed to exit on his own terms.
I’d sure hope so….. Man I used to despise him years ago….. but anymore he’s kinda hard not to like….. I mean he’s a legend
Now I hate Sanderson 😂
Actually, Brands first year was 06-07 and OkStates last championship was 05-06. However, to be fair, OkState was coming off 4 in a row, going into Brands first season. I don’t have the time or the interest to do the numbers right now but I eventually will for team scores over those years.
And I suspect you’ll see Okie St trending down pretty hard.
They only had 2 top level wrestlers last year and both have missed time because they’re idiots: 1 who is a known steroid user and a 2nd who has the maturity of a 4 year old.
I appreciate your insight, but the discussion currently is more about where OSU would slot into the current makeup of the B1G.
Last year's team, with Ferrari, doesn't get a team trophy. That slots them behind PSU, Iowa, Michigan, Nebraska.
OHIO State just wrapped up the best recruitiing year in recent memory.
Okie State would rank 6/7 in the B1G. That's my argument. As another poster suggested, they're Gopher level.
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They scored 99.5 the year before. If they stay healthy, which can be said about every team, but applies even more to them because of last season, they should be in the top 5 for sure.
This line up could be quite salty:
125-Mastro-he is a big 125 and put it on McKee early. For them to do well, they need him on the podium.
133-Fix-Can he take 2nd again?
141-Young-A bit of a wild card. He may actually be undersized, which rarely happens there, but due to Fix he is stuck.
149-Voinovich-Tons of potential. 16-1 as a redshirt. He is probably their X factor.
157-Sheets-can and has AA’d.
165-Wittlake-Health is paramount here. He is as good as anyone at the stacked weight. He could be in the finals or not place.
174-Plott was the one guy to shine last year
184-Haas. He was 11-0 redshirting. But, no real wins of note.
197-Ferrari- How he comes back decides what type of team this is.
285-Surber-I have no idea why Smith has such a hard time getting true heavyweights. This guy has heart and shows flashes, but 2-2 is about his ceiling.
If you add the 4 prior years OkState actually evens it out. But, during Brands run, Iowa averaged 92.27 while OkState averaged 74.5. The biggest difference is Iowa doesn’t really seem to have a “rebuilding year always finishing top 5, while OkState had 3 years where the scored in the 30’s.
health is indeed paramount for him, but he is absolutely not as good as anybody at the weight. at his best, he's a second tier guy.
Yeah but if we're talking about OK State since Brands has taken over at Iowa, what do years before he took over have to do with it? BTW, thanks for the correction on Okie State titles. My bad. It's really 4 (or 5) to nil since Brands took over at Iowa.
Didn’t Ferrari drive his car into another car?
