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Advice Needed: Remodeling a bathroom

JRHawk2003

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My empty nester self bought a small house not long ago. Built in late 70's, small ranch. One of the main things it needs is a total bathroom remodel. It functions now, but that is about all you can say. Its pretty worn out.

What is the best way to proceed; Purchase the shower, toilet, vanity, etc. myself and hire someone to do the work? Or just get a contractor?

I will hang up an listen to the answer. Thanks.
 
From my experience: You might be able to do the demolition yourself to save money. Hiring one person to do the job could cost a lot more money. They may take advantage and charge more, or worst yet, outsource the jobs to people you don't know. Definitely find someone word of mouth. If you are lucky you might find someone who can do the job with a small team in two or three days.

You can have different people do different jobs. Hire a specialist for floor tile and shower tile. Hire a handyman for the toilet and vanity. The shower could be a pre-fab or customized with tiles.

100% DIY could be a 1-year project.

Also...consider installing a small urinal like this TOTO

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Two toilets facing each other. Nothing more intimate then staring into another's eyes while taking a duece. A great shared experience.

If the bathroom is small, you can put up a big mirror........and stare into your own eyes while you're cutting turds.
 
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Personally I’d just hire the whole thing out. You’re not going to save much buying the stuff yourself as most of it’s the labor. In fact the stuff that contractors buy is usually better than the big box store faucets and toilets.
 
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Will be starting the guest room BR next month, tearing out an old garden tub and replacing it with a large walk in shower, will replace the old short toilet with a newer modern higher one, replaced the old vanity this spring. Floor tile will finish this 2-3 week job. I do expect to find some surprises when i start, always do.
 
Ask yourself this - have you ever tried to do any of the skills involved in a total bathroom makeover? And if so, were you 100% satisfied with the quality of your work (meaning, you can state 100% that you did as great a job as a contractor would have)?

Changed out a toilet
Changed out a shower (tub, surround, shower head, valves, drains, etc)
Changed out the non shower walls/bathroom safe drywall
Changed out a sink, plus the plumbing involved there
Installed a ceiling vent fan/wiring
Electrical work...switches, outlets etc
Flooring

I have some experience in all of the above from a repair standpoint - but actually tearing everything out and replacing it all - nope. I could never do as good a job as an expert.
 
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If the bathroom is small, you can put up a big mirror........and stare into your own eyes while you're cutting turds.
I currently do this with a hand mirror. Freeing up my hand for other activities would be ideal though.
 
Ask yourself this - have you ever tried to do any of the skills involved in a total bathroom makeover? And if so, were you 100% satisfied with the quality of your work (meaning, you can state 100% that you did as great a job as a contractor would have)?

Changed out a toilet
Changed out a shower (tub, surround, shower head, valves, drains, etc)
Changed out the non shower walls/bathroom safe drywall
Changed out a sink, plus the plumbing involved there
Installed a ceiling vent fan/wiring
Electrical work...switches, outlets etc
Flooring

I have some experience in all of the above from a repair standpoint - but actually tearing everything out and replacing it all - nope. I could never do as good a job as an expert.

Oh I know better than that. I might be able to change a toilet. That is about it.
 
try the display toilet in the hardware store. The last thing you want to do is to get an installed toilet and find out it isn’t meant for them cheeks.
 
There is no demolition. You reglaze the tub and any tile, put any new floor tile on top of a thin subfloor that you put down, put in a new sink and toilet, and call it a day.
 
I am thinking that for the small bathroom I have it will run about $5,000. Yes? No?
About 7 years ago I hired a well referred older local contractor to put down LVT in my kitchen, dining room, hallways and both bathrooms, expand the first floor bathroom so we could add a shower stall, replaced the upstairs tub with a composite tub/shower as I didn't want a tiled tub/shower wall. He also put in exhaust fans in both bathrooms and I got a new toilet upstairs because he broke the existing one with his sledge when he was doing demo of the old tub. The work also included replacement of the windows in both bathrooms. I also had him add additional roof venting to my house and he corrected some errors that were made with my house siding installation that he noticed. He was a godsend and although the work probably lasted longer than a bigger crew (3-4 weeks as I recall, it was just the contractor and an additional handyman), but for the price I paid (<$15,000) it was worth the slight inconvenience of the longer time frame. Unfortunately he's largely retired now and is in the home appraisal business last that I heard, which is a shame because his work quality was top notch. I have no idea what I'd be paying for similar work now.

Think about adding a bidet toilet to yours, that's my only regret.
 
I am thinking that for the small bathroom I have it will run about $5,000. Yes? No?
That was the price we were quoted for just having the shower/tub redone in the kids bathroom. Demo, painting, replacement. No flooring. Wants extra to replace the toilet. And it's an insert shower, not tiled.
 
About 7 years ago I hired a well referred older local contractor to put down LVT in my kitchen, dining room, hallways and both bathrooms, expand the first floor bathroom so we could add a shower stall, replaced the upstairs tub with a composite tub/shower as I didn't want a tiled tub/shower wall. He also put in exhaust fans in both bathrooms and I got a new toilet upstairs because he broke the existing one with his sledge when he was doing demo of the old tub. The work also included replacement of the windows in both bathrooms. I also had him add additional roof venting to my house and he corrected some errors that were made with my house siding installation that he noticed. He was a godsend and although the work probably lasted longer than a bigger crew (3-4 weeks as I recall, it was just the contractor and an additional handyman), but for the price I paid (<$15,000) it was worth the slight inconvenience of the longer time frame. Unfortunately he's largely retired now and is in the home appraisal business last that I heard, which is a shame because his work quality was top notch. I have no idea what I'd be paying for similar work now.

Think about adding a bidet toilet to yours, that's my only regret.
that’s a good price.

I am Looking at transforming a 1,000SF into a master suite; currently a min finished area with wood paneling and old tile floor.

Found out about this product called LevelQuik, self leveling subfloor. Seen it in use and feel it will make installing laminate flooring pretty easy, no demo required.

Want drywall instead of the paneling. But with the paneling currently there, I believe I can install drywall on top of the paneling.. on the walls at least; ceiling has some square looking paneling with furring strips.
 
Why not do it yourself? Bathrooms are some of the easiest DIY projects there are.

Well, I just dont trust myself enough to do it well. I could do the flooring and toilet probably. But it needs a new fan, some drywall repair. Electrical.
 
My empty nester self bought a small house not long ago. Built in late 70's, small ranch. One of the main things it needs is a total bathroom remodel. It functions now, but that is about all you can say. Its pretty worn out.

What is the best way to proceed; Purchase the shower, toilet, vanity, etc. myself and hire someone to do the work? Or just get a contractor?

I will hang up an listen to the answer. Thanks.
If you go the contractor route, get multiple quotes and do some homework on who is good at what they do.

I recently priced the tearing out the original tub/shower combo and replace it with a walk in shower including putting on green board. I contacted 4 different firms and all prices originally came in around $15,500 - $17,000, all higher than I had hoped for. After I received each quote I told them that I was going to get 3 more bids, and their prices started coming down quite a bit.

The highest bid came down to about $14,000 if I took it that day, which I didn't because he was actually the first quote I got. The next quote was a little over $16,000 and I told him the same thing, that I had 3 more quotes to get. He didn't immediately come down but told me to call him before I made a final decision because he had somewhere between 10-20% that he could come down.

The third quote was also around $16,000 and he offered me some financing options, no interest for a year. I then told him that I was getting 3 more quotes and he then gave me what I felt was his bottom line, about $11,000 if I put 50% down and paid the balance at the time of completion. He also asked me who else I was getting quotes from and I gave him the 3 others names and he flat out told me not to even use 2 of those. The third he said was a very good and reputable contractor. I also knew this guy's company was very good as well from some personal recommendations. I also found his presentation to be very good and very informative.

The 4th quote I got was actually the lowest original quote but when I told them that I was getting 3 other quotes, they immediately gave me a quote about $10,200, which was the lowest overall. They were relatively new in the local market and I felt was trying to get their foot in the door, so to speak. However, given the 3rd contractor's advice I simply told them that I wanted to consider all 4 and I would get back with them, which I did the next day and told them that I was going with someone else.

I did not tell any of them how much the other quotes were. I basically just asked them to give me their best number. Given that, I was surprised how much mark up there was in their original numbers.

All 4 offered acrylic wall panels that went from the shower base up to the ceiling. None of them recommended going with the tile and grout option due to the maintenance and cleaning which I agreed with. I wanted something that would be low maintenance and tile and grout is not the way to go for that. Also make sure they use licensed plumbers, and skilled tradesmen and not their brothers-in-law.

This was my recent experience.
 
If you go the contractor route, get multiple quotes and do some homework on who is good at what they do.

I recently priced the tearing out the original tub/shower combo and replace it with a walk in shower including putting on green board. I contacted 4 different firms and all prices originally came in around $15,500 - $17,000, all higher than I had hoped for. After I received each quote I told them that I was going to get 3 more bids, and their prices started coming down quite a bit.

The highest bid came down to about $14,000 if I took it that day, which I didn't because he was actually the first quote I got. The next quote was a little over $16,000 and I told him the same thing, that I had 3 more quotes to get. He didn't immediately come down but told me to call him before I made a final decision because he had somewhere between 10-20% that he could come down.

The third quote was also around $16,000 and he offered me some financing options, no interest for a year. I then told him that I was getting 3 more quotes and he then gave me what I felt was his bottom line, about $11,000 if I put 50% down and paid the balance at the time of completion. He also asked me who else I was getting quotes from and I gave him the 3 others names and he flat out told me not to even use 2 of those. The third he said was a very good and reputable contractor. I also knew this guy's company was very good as well from some personal recommendations. I also found his presentation to be very good and very informative.

The 4th quote I got was actually the lowest original quote but when I told them that I was getting 3 other quotes, they immediately gave me a quote about $10,200, which was the lowest overall. They were relatively new in the local market and I felt was trying to get their foot in the door, so to speak. However, given the 3rd contractor's advice I simply told them that I wanted to consider all 4 and I would get back with them, which I did the next day and told them that I was going with someone else.

I did not tell any of them how much the other quotes were. I basically just asked them to give me their best number. Given that, I was surprised how much mark up there was in their original numbers.

All 4 offered acrylic wall panels that went from the shower base up to the ceiling. None of them recommended going with the tile and grout option due to the maintenance and cleaning which I agreed with. I wanted something that would be low maintenance and tile and grout is not the way to go for that. Also make sure they use licensed plumbers, and skilled tradesmen and not their brothers-in-law.

This was my recent experience.

Yikes that is a lot. My bathroom is small. Like 8x6.
 
Yikes that is a lot. My bathroom is small. Like 8x6.
Pricing has gone up in recent years, especially with some material shortages. Like someone else said in this thread, you can probably expect to be put on a waiting list. Mine was 2-3 months.

I was looking through my old banking records and my wife and I did a similar job 20 years ago and it was $5,000 back then.
 
I redid a half bath by myself last year. Left the flooring and walls(new paint though) but replaced everything else. That wasn't a ton of fun but was doable in a week once I had everything I needed. The painting was the worst part because there was a texture on the walls that I had to skim coat over which added an extra two days that I wasn't expecting.

I have no desire to deal with a shower, tub, or major tiling though. Because of that, when we redid our master bath we hired it out completely. This was a major gut job and significant upgrade in materials of the room. The contractor worked with us on design and material selection and then dealt with all of the subs. All we had to do was stay out of the way for the time they were working which took a while. The nice thing is that we added a few additional things as part of this like heated flooring that we wouldn't have done if it wasn't a total gut.
 
Mow much does something like Bathfitters cost?

Then perhaps just pay a plumber for the toilet install and do the flooring myself. The floor space is small.
 
I think the $ will be a lot more than you estimate. Layman's view of cost is always lower than a pro's reality.

Bathrooms aren't hard (comparatively) depending on what you are doing, but if done poorly it will drive you crazy as you will see all the imperfections.

When you say remodel, you only mean tear down and update/upgrade components right? You aren't planning on moving walls and expanding correct?

When I redid our master bath, I also planned to make all the finishes much higher than what was in the house originally. If you sell the house in 5? 10? years, where do you think the neighborhood will be cost-wise? I could have gone inexpensive bath/shower inserts but I expect the housing market for my 'hood to demand a certain level of finish, so I custom built my shower with that in mind.
 
About 7 years ago I hired a well referred older local contractor to put down LVT in my kitchen, dining room, hallways and both bathrooms, expand the first floor bathroom so we could add a shower stall, replaced the upstairs tub with a composite tub/shower as I didn't want a tiled tub/shower wall. He also put in exhaust fans in both bathrooms and I got a new toilet upstairs because he broke the existing one with his sledge when he was doing demo of the old tub. The work also included replacement of the windows in both bathrooms. I also had him add additional roof venting to my house and he corrected some errors that were made with my house siding installation that he noticed. He was a godsend and although the work probably lasted longer than a bigger crew (3-4 weeks as I recall, it was just the contractor and an additional handyman), but for the price I paid (<$15,000) it was worth the slight inconvenience of the longer time frame. Unfortunately he's largely retired now and is in the home appraisal business last that I heard, which is a shame because his work quality was top notch. I have no idea what I'd be paying for similar work now.

Think about adding a bidet toilet to yours, that's my only regret.


I went normal toilet to give me more toilet size options and less cost. Then an add on bidet sprayer; much less expensive, same results and can be removed if the next owner doesn't want it. But, honestly did it because of all the bidet talk on HROT.
 
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I went normal toilet to give me more toilet size options and less cost. Then an add on bidet sprayer; much less expensive, same results and can be removed if the next owner doesn't want it. But, honestly did it because of all the bidet talk on HROT.
What brand did you go with on the bidet add on?

My wife isn't keen on one, but I'm definitely considering it. She can just not use it, that would be her own (stinky) choice.
 
What brand did you go with on the bidet add on?

My wife isn't keen on one, but I'm definitely considering it. She can just not use it, that would be her own (stinky) choice.
For less than $50 and 5 minutes of installation time, this has done just fine in our house. Originally purchased during the great toilet paper scare of 2020, it continues to perform admirably. Some people like the heated water in expensive versions, but I enjoy the unlimited brisk water. During the dead of winter, is like a diving into a pool of cold water, except just in the butt. Quite exhilarating.

Amazon product ASIN B09QPS93LW
 
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Seriously, not having a bidet is like skipping the sink and just drying your hands when you wash them. I looked at every model. I am so happy I didn’t go with one of those models with a million buttons.

You can go from light stream to a power wash and I don’t use full pressure ever- it is powerful enough to reach my sink 10’ away and was still high pressure. It is really the easiest diy I have ever done.
 
As a heavy stoner, as OP’s proclaims to be, (NTTAWWT) you will want to a high quality vent to clear out all the marijuana smoke.
 
Seriously, not having a bidet is like skipping the sink and just drying your hands when you wash them. I looked at every model. I am so happy I didn’t go with one of those models with a million buttons.

You can go from light stream to a power wash and I don’t use full pressure ever- it is powerful enough to reach my sink 10’ away and was still high pressure. It is really the easiest diy I have ever done.


Funny, I was screwing around with it when I installed. Wanted to see how powerful the spray was. Turned it 50% up and it sprayed across the bathroom and hit the mirror over the sink. But it's not a huge bathroom. 2 / 10 is plenty.
 
Seriously, not having a bidet is like skipping the sink and just drying your hands when you wash them. I looked at every model. I am so happy I didn’t go with one of those models with a million buttons.

You can go from light stream to a power wash and I don’t use full pressure ever- it is powerful enough to reach my sink 10’ away and was still high pressure. It is really the easiest diy I have ever done.
Our house has really high water pressure to boot. You don't go full open throttle or you will tear holes in your rectum.
 
Good luck finding a contractor not booked out until next year.
Not sure where you live but here in Eastern Iowa my father called a contractor last month to come tear off his deck and put in a new one and it's already done.
 
Another vote for a urinal. Now is also time to add steam to the shower as well as a rain shower head.
 
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