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Hawkeye2222

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time to take a look at a possible lineup

C SR 7'1 Woodbury returns and avg'd 6.6 ppg. 5.2 rpg

this is where it gets interesting

PF RSSR 6'9 Uthoff returns and avg'd 12.4 ppg 2nd on the team, 6.4 rpg 2nd on the team, 56 blocks led the team. 38 stl 2nd on the team. 37.2% from 3 led the team, 73.7% from FTL this after leading the team as a SO at 81% from the line as a SO,

SF a possible move by JR 6'6 Jok to could/should make the transition of Uthoff to PF even more smoother.
PJ stats, 7.0 ppg 2.6 rebounds per game, 1.3 apg. 90.2% from the FTL led the team, 34.3 % from 3

PG SR 6'2 Gesell 7.4 ppg, 1.9 rpg. 133 assists and 33 steals

this is where the SG spot gets interesting. these could/will be the contenders for that spot.

RSFR 6'4 Ellingson who will have a head start on the FR
FR 6'5 Moss may get time at the 1
FR 6'5/6 Fleming may be used at the 1
FR 6'6 Williams may end up as the starting PG in the 16-17 season after MG and AC are gone, not a bad idea either as Moss and Williams can spit time at the PG position and make looking for a pg in this class and the 2016 class as well and will allow Fran to be very very selective as to who to get,

backups are slim at the PF spot with just Wagner

people can pick and choose as this is my choice for next season

PG 6'2 Gesell
SG 6'4 Ellingson
SF 6'6 Jok
PF 6'9 Uthoff
C 7'1 Woodbury.

so put your thinking cap on and make up your own lineup or ideas on how this looks to others
 
I'll go with Gesell, Jok, Uthoff, Uhl, and Woodbury.

I don't think you necessarily have to have a true 4 and 5 in college basketball.
 
Not sure why the negativity on next years team. There is a good base there.

Drawing out the starting 5 isn't tough, but find depth in the front court will be difficult.

Woodbury - is a solid player and will only get better, but he really can't be effective playing more than 25 min per game. Who takes on those 15 minutes?
Uthoff - he can play inside, but he lacks to strength to play there consistently.
Uhl - can he add some strength to contribute more next season?
 
No mention of Clemmons. You have three frosh pass him up as back up pg. I doubt it.

I also doubt Uthoff plays the four. I think Iowa will play without a four in the traditional power forward sense. Yes, you need someone to guard a typical power forward and Iowa has to find a way to do that. Maybe JU does that, but you risk him fouling or getting banged up and you cannot afford to have him leave the floor. He played more minutes than anyone other than stud White. He played 38 mins vs Zags. He had to be on the floor or we would not have scored at all and would have been out rebounded even worse. Mentally Ute is a three not a four. That is a big part of why he left Wisconsin. He may play some minutes at the four, but not a steady diet there.

Iowa will be a running team next year. More athletic. They need to force teams to play small by hitting threes and running the floor and pressing. That way you avoid having to guard two or three big inside guys. And if Woody gets in foul trouble, then what? Big issue in my mind.

We could be alright next year, but it will take a couple of significant freshmen stepping up. Uhl and Ellingson will have to improve contributions significantly, too.
 
Agree with a lot of what you say, 5Star, but losing White and Olaseni does not give us more legs to run, nor does lacking depth in the front court. This will be the most interesting and challenging issue for FM, in my opinion.
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I did not put the 3 FR ahead of him as all I said they my be used at the point guard spot, AC to me is the backup PG. he will also play the SG as well, it is/was my hope that one of those that Ilisted steps up to be the starting 2 guard.

this is why I was asking for Idea's, who knows the starting lineup might looks like this

Gesell
Jok
Uhl 6'8
Uthoff
Woodbury

next season Fran will have a nice selection to choose from, maybe Wagner might just be that starting PF. the new plauers add a dimension that Fran has not add to this point. and that is good defenders that are more athletic than past players like McCabe, Basabe, Brommer and Archie.

each year Fran has been upgrading the athletic ability and better defenders, in the Video's of Wagner he looks like a more athletic Basabe. JO was a better defender than poster wanted to give him credit for, but this is where players like Flemimg, Moss and Williams are a upgrade,

Ellingson had a offer from Missouri so he has to have talent and may surprise a lot on here with his ability. to play defense.
 
Originally posted by Hawkeye2222:

I did not put the 3 FR ahead of him as all I said they my be used at the point guard spot, AC to me is the backup PG. he will also play the SG as well, it is/was my hope that one of those that Ilisted steps up to be the starting 2 guard.

this is why I was asking for Idea's, who knows the starting lineup might looks like this

Gesell
Jok
Uhl 6'8
Uthoff
Woodbury

next season Fran will have a nice selection to choose from, maybe Wagner might just be that starting PF. the new plauers add a dimension that Fran has not add to this point. and that is good defenders that are more athletic than past players like McCabe, Basabe, Brommer and Archie.

each year Fran has been upgrading the athletic ability and better defenders, in the Video's of Wagner he looks like a more athletic Basabe. JO was a better defender than poster wanted to give him credit for, but this is where players like Flemimg, Moss and Williams are a upgrade,

Ellingson had a offer from Missouri so he has to have talent and may surprise a lot on here with his ability. to play defense.
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Hearing that he isn't a scoring threat, but hell the kid looks the part. He is very athletic and very quick for being 6-7, 6-8. Might not be a scoring threat, but could be a good garbage man (clean up on misses, rebounds, and plays physical in the post). IDK, but seeing that kid on a football field and hearing about all the football schollys got me pumped. This kid is a pure athlete, which the hawks have not had in a while. Also was coached by Travis Trice's dad, so he got some good mentoring while in high school.

Also Hutton & Moss sound like athletes as well. Moss has as smooth stroke and I know it will take some time getting adjusted to the college game, but he went up against some of top competition in the country and produced. Good Shooter and showed some signs of athletic plays. Hutton don't know much about, but sounds like he is a defender, which the hawks desperately need. Flemming looks like a shooter and could come in right away and give the hawks a HUGE boost in shooting. If he can knock down the 3ball consistently, he will be a HUGE addition.

I just hope Fran finds a guy (transfer or JC) Big Man. I know Woodie can play, but we need another center. I don't care if that kid is 6-8 or whatever. Just someone with some size and bulk that can bang down low.
 
Three big keys:

1. Uthoff has to take the next step to be the all-BT scorer
2. Woody has to stay on the floor, he will need to be in most games for 30+ minutes. He'll also have to rebound better.
3. Either a freshman or one of our green sophomores (Ellingson, Uhl) need to really surprise us with how good they are. We simply don't have the experience coming back we have the last two years. Guys like White and Marble, it was no big deal for them as underclassmen to get some experience and make mistakes against Campbell. But now these guys are coming in to a program where you're playing in front of a, well, almost full house, and an NCAA tournament berth is expected (!!!!)
 
my response to #1 White avg'd 12.8 ppg as the 2nd leading scorer to Marble and was a 3rd Team all BT his JR season, then as a SR he avg'd 16.4 ppg as a SR.

so it should not be that hard for Uthoff who avg'd 12.4 ppg as the 2nd leading scorer and was named a 3rd Team All BT by one of the groups to up his scoring to 16+ ppg

that is another thing that IA has coming back a 3rd Teamer in Uthoff. the starters I am not that worried about, MG and Woody will be starting their 4th season together, that experience alone means a lot,

Jok did not start till the BT season so next season he is a returning starter and even though he did not start till the middle of the BT season he still ended up the teams 5th leading scorer. which puts him in position to start out as the teams 3rd leading scorer. looking at that these are the leading scorers

1st Uthoff
2nd Gesell
3rd Jok
4th Woodbury

those are/were starters this past season, IA White leading scorer and Gabe 3rd leading scorer at 8.1 ppg. in another thread I pointed out what Gabe did and compared it to what Uthoff did, Uthoff was 2nd in scoring, 2nd in rebounding and 1st in Blocked shots, Uthoff will not have a problem transitioning to the leading scorer for this team, as his the only returning who avg'd dbl digits in scoring.
 
PG- Mike Gesell
SG- Anthony Clemmons
SF- Peter Jok
PF- Jarryd Uthoff
C- Woody

This is what I think we might see. Dom Uhl will be the 1st sub in and then the most promising of the newcomers. With 6 untested kids coming in, I gotta think we'll see at least 2 redshirts and if not, we'll see 2 transfers.
 
I'm not sure why some people think we'll be more of a running team next year. I'm not seeing it. More athletic? Maybe. Iowa pushed the ball up the court this year when it was available. The thing is that teams know Iowa likes to run so opposing guards run back after every shot. They usually send 2-3 guys crashing the boards and the other guys sprint back to keep Iowa from running.

Whitey was as good a big guy running the floor as anyone in the country. He was also an amazing finisher. Gabe was also good getting down the court. Woody isn't. I think Iowa tempo next year will be similar to this year's. If the break is there they'll take it but if not pull it out and work the offense. MG does a very good job of deciding when to push the ball and when not.

What we might see more of next season is pressure. More press, more pressure defense, but I'm not even sure we'll see this because the athletic guys will be freshman. Freshman make a lot of dumb mistakes and it takes time to learn when they should pressure and when they should back off.

The starting lineup will be a little less athletic than this year's team (because of the loss of Whitey), but the bench will be much more athletic. We'll be smaller, play with a similar tempo, and hopefully shoot the ball better. Need one of the freshman to step up and score some (especially from beyond the arc), because I don't see a lot of points from a starting lineup of MG, Clemmons, Jok, Uthoff, Woody. That puts a lot of pressure on Uthoff especially and teams are going to put their best defensive player on him. Jok needs to elevate his game and become a more consistent scorer.
 
Originally posted by Suterman:

PG- Mike Gesell
SG- Anthony Clemmons
SF- Peter Jok
PF- Jarryd Uthoff
C- Woody

This is what I think we might see. Dom Uhl will be the 1st sub in and then the most promising of the newcomers. With 6 untested kids coming in, I gotta think we'll see at least 2 redshirts and if not, we'll see 2 transfers.
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Unless Fran plans on relying moderately on Williams as a PG I don't see Mike and AC starting together. Last year it happened early bc they thought they would get more production out of TD but he never materialized.

I think you see Uhl as the initial starter out of the gate at the 4 and if he improves this off season and plays well (which I think he can and will) then he will hold that spot the remainder of his career at Iowa if not I could see Wagner working his way into that starting roll if he can play good D.

Also think you will see Hutton as more of a 3/4 combo with him spending little if any time at the 2. He seems strong and athletic enough to guard the 4 even at 6'6".

Look a year further and, based on who is on the roster and who will be joining, you could have:

1. Williams
2. Pete/Moss/Fleming/Ellingson
3. Uhl, Hutton
4. Wagner, CP
5. Nobody Knows (lots of PT to sell)

I think that leave 3 more spots to be filled by scholarships, and I know that line-up doesn't scream top end size but 1 - 3 would certainly be considered a long line-up for the backcourt and the 4 spot wouldn't be considered shrimps. Also, log-jam at the SG spot (knowing Pete/Moss will probably get some time at the 3 and Hutton may get time at the 4 JMO) so I think you see one of those guys leave before two more seasons are up.
 
That's funny because I think most seem pretty excited about next year. Just because people express a few valid concerns about next year's team, doesn't make it a negative post.

Iowa should be an NCAA tournament team again next year.
 
I don't see much difference in the position JU played and the one White played, In Fran's offense it looked kinda the same to me, It's not like White was posted up as a true power forward often. So I don't see JU "moving" to PF, I think he will keep his current role and hopefully get better at it.
 
it is response to a couple of post that were negative to the point of only expecting the NIT next season., looking at it this class could still see IA getting a big and by the offers out there are a few 6'9-6'10 or taller players with offers, one to follow will be 6'11 250 lbs Brock Bertram out of Minnesota., the one that I think that will be a Hawk is 6'10 Rakocevic who just grew from 6'9 to 6'10 and is still growing according to the reports, even if he is done growing he reminds me of JR Koch. and he was not very big.

shoots the 3 very well, this is the direction Fran appears to be going to. long Athletic players that can rebound, shoot and play defense, offense entertains the fans, but defense wins championships.
 
I just hope Uthoff is alright at 4 cuz he's gonna get stuck there a lot. I feel like he could dominate as a 3.
 
Watching some videos during a meeting and some of our freshman recruits looks pretty dang good. Not game changers ala Hayes at Wisky or Russell at OSU. But they are solid players who could come in and play.

Hutton reported offers from Wisky, West Virgina, and others. This kid looks pretty athletic and I realize this is from one game, but he seems able to defend out away from the basket and looks like he can slash toward the basket.

Moss's game looks smooth and I like his range of abilities he can use. Love the step back jump shot, love the 3 ball and also like that he can attack the rim if needed.

Wagner looks like a solid post player. Seems more mobile and athletic than what we have seen in the past. Haven't seen any highlights of him shooting, all his highlights are at the rim or around it.

Flemming & Williams are both solid. Flemming seems to be a shooter, hopefully he can get quicker, he is a big body at 6-5 and has a quick release. Hopefully he can add some 3pt help to our team.

I think this group as a whole, if they play could combine to average 10pts a game, maybe more?? I like the versatility this group brings, multiple position guys.




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Four of the five starters are carved in, well if not granite, certainly limestone.

Uthoff will play the same position as this year...forward. Except he will be the star. If Uthoff improves his consistency and avoids many of the dreadful shooting games that plagued him this year, he will be a scoring machine. He'll never be a banger, the kid is a stick, but he is a good weak side/help rebounder and defender. Comes flying out of nowhere to block shots. Rebounds over the smaller "wings" that he frequently guards or guard him.

Woodbury and Gesell must significantly improve for next season to be successful. However, except for McCabe and Basabe, and I suppose Oglesby, most of McCaffery's seniors have had their career seasons senior year. Cole, Gatens, May, White, Olaseni. Cartwright was injured much of his senior year. Plus, Gesell was the future and got more PT. There are many reasons to believe the three starting seniors will significantly improve next season.

Clemmons will hold Iowa's possession of the B1Gs 6th man award.

Players usually get better and Jok too should improve. He certainly did over the past season.

After that there are only question marks. Uhl has displayed very little to induce much confidence. Wagner has obviously shown nothing at all since he's still in high school. Hawks have had good luck with raw boned freshman forwards from Ohio so.......maybe Wagner is the starter. He certainly sounds like quite the specimen, although as Barles Charkly said "deer can run and jump. You've got to play ball." The other forward is a huge question mark.

Is Ellingson the surprise? I only posit that because I've had two completely unrelated people that saw him play in HS and AAU say that he has the best shot they've ever seen. While I took that as just a bit hyperbolic it does say something. Ellingson's college abilities remain largely unknown, although he does have a good looking shot and made 4 of 6 from three in the twelve or so minutes he played.

The rest of the freshman, like Wagner, are just so much blue sky on the horizon right now. Cannot "count" on anything from guys that have never played college ball. Dickerson was a JUCO AA and he couldn't earn playing time.



 
Uhl should be starting, we're going to need for him to get going and producing. Especially with Gesell, Uthoff, and Clemmons graduating next year.
 
the thing people over look is that when Uhl and Uthoff were on the floor together, Uhl was the 3 and Uthoff was the 4, I am of the opinion this was by design and gave Fran a solid lok as to how they would play together,

there is a meaning to Fran's madness at times in putting these player when, where and how he plays these players, to me is was preparing for when White graduates as to how the lineup will look like this fall,

right now I am guessing he has his top 7 set and will use this summer and fall to see who fits in and where out of the newcomers, remember Ellingson has practiced and or been learning the system for almost a full year. limited in practice by the injury as to what he can do, we have no idea as to how much he can and did practice at full speed or when.

Ellingson at this point is the X-factor the others are complete unknowns
 
I think Ellingson's shot is light years better than Oglesby's. I don't really have a reason for thinking that. It looks better to me. If his defense is somewhat comparable to JO's then he could probably get some decent "Uhl-like" minutes next year. Other than that, I'm excited to see who really stands out amongst the new recruits next season!
 
Uhl shot .321 from the field, .185 from three and .524 from the line. Only 61 rebounds in 326 minutes. Only 7 turnovers, although he tended to drop the ball and get it back.

In all fairness to the kid, he didn't really get many extended minutes to work out the kinks and show a lot of upside. Of course, why would White or Uthoff come out of a competitive game, right? On a more subjective note, I thought Uhl kind of had a nose for loose balls and rebounds and was surprised that he only had 61 rebounds. That was the strongest part of his game.

Desperately need Uhl, Wagner or player to be signed later to be able to rebound, play interior defense and help keep the other side's big boys off the boards and out of the lane. Uthoff is not going to be the guy that does that stuff; he may do some other stuff really well, but not that physical part of the game. Hawks go Woodbury/Uthoff and three guards we are going to get killed inside.
 
My lineup would go like this

PG: Gesell
SG: Clemmons
SF: Jok
PF: Uthoff
C: Woodbury

Gives us this best chance to score and we can rain threes on people of we're feeling it, looks like a solid defensive line up too barring Jok's defensive lapses.
 
Originally posted by The Sleeping Dog:
Uhl shot .321 from the field, .185 from three and .524 from the line. Only 61 rebounds in 326 minutes. Only 7 turnovers, although he tended to drop the ball and get it back.

In all fairness to the kid, he didn't really get many extended minutes to work out the kinks and show a lot of upside. Of course, why would White or Uthoff come out of a competitive game, right? On a more subjective note, I thought Uhl kind of had a nose for loose balls and rebounds and was surprised that he only had 61 rebounds. That was the strongest part of his game.

Desperately need Uhl, Wagner or player to be signed later to be able to rebound, play interior defense and help keep the other side's big boys off the boards and out of the lane. Uthoff is not going to be the guy that does that stuff; he may do some other stuff really well, but not that physical part of the game. Hawks go Woodbury/Uthoff and three guards we are going to get killed inside.
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Getting Uhl minutes this year will pay big dividends IMO. The kid needs to put on 10 lbs but that's always a crap shoot on how much weight they can add.

I thought Uhl looked pretty poised for a Freshman....they ran no sets for him and he didn't look for his shot very often so I don't know how much we can take away from this year offensively. I though he played good D and at times rebounded well. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a 8 pt 5 reb type guy for us next year and I'd be happy with that.
 
We all forgot the X factor! Nicholas Baer redshirted with Ellingson, he should pick up some minutes too because in a game or two when playing against nonconference games I thought he showed very good BB instincts like Whitey but was very undersized or too skinny at 6'7". Maybe he can grow some height and weight, but the year off should make him a productive redshirted freshman that will be the X factor.

In addition to the new 5 or 6 new freshmen class, Fran and company will make some real noise in the new season with a very senior-laden team. I'm not as worry as some about the future but excited to see another great run next year.
 
Honestly, I think people are forgetting about Nicholas Baer. I have heard that the staff REALLY likes him for a walk-on and I could see him contributing at SF next year with Uhl. I don't think Ellingson is going to see the floor except for very limited time. I saw a guy really lacking athleticism and not sure how he's going to get a shot off. I hope I eat crow. After watching JO for four years it would be nice to see an outside shooter make some outside shots.
 
Also, this is just an FYI but apparently there was an NBA scout at practice about a month or so ago and he said that Uhl had the most potential.
 
I think Uhl did a great job of understanding his role this year and did not try to do "to much" while not being timid about playing major college b-ball as a freshman.

I liked what I saw from him and you can tell he has a lot of potential-potential that I think (from watching him play this year) will be fulfilled as his career matures. I think he'll be a pleasant surprise in a role that is more demanding of him next season.
 
Originally posted by 4th & 9 inches:
I think Uhl did a great job of understanding his role this year and did not try to do "to much" while not being timid about playing major college b-ball as a freshman.

I liked what I saw from him and you can tell he has a lot of potential-potential that I think (from watching him play this year) will be fulfilled as his career matures. I think he'll be a pleasant surprise in a role that is more demanding of him next season.
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I agree, he played very timid this year. I think he was just getting used to the college game and also didn't want to try and do too much and screw up. There were times early on in the Big Ten Season you could see he would be wide open and he wouldn't shoot. He would also catch the ball on the wing and not do anything with it. I think it was the Wisky game at home where he tried to attack more and also hit a 3 ball? Seemed to play more relaxed that game and it showed that he can play.

I look for him to be a contributor next year and I think he could help replace some of the scoring White & Olaseni provided. I saw where Iowa has to replace 28pts from those two. I think Uhl could take some of that, if he plays aggressive he can attack. He's 6-8 but pretty quick.
 
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