Alex Meyer
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That's just the way he wrestles.
His opponent was no slouch, but it was a match he clearly should've won. Implications for Big-10 seeding...unfortunate that he can't start matches in a higher gear than neutral.
That's just the way he wrestles.
His opponent was no slouch, but it was a match he clearly should've won. Implications for Big-10 seeding...unfortunate that he can't start matches in a higher gear than neutral.
He really hasn't looked impressive this year I hope he picks it up.
God "gifted" him slow feet. I think he has great drive, a world class gas tank, and very good riding ability. But he's at a competitive disadvantage against athletic guys on his feet and there's not much that can be done about it.
He's an enigma. He scrambles well and never loses his cool. He just needs to get to his offense RIGHT AWAY and stay on his offense...and it's frustrating because he surely knows it.
BTW, I thought he had the cradle locked up in time at the end, and so did Ironside. Anyone know why Brands didn't press for the review? In any case, can't leave it in the hands of the ref.
He looks the way he's always looked. Someone please post a picture of a dead horse getting beat
I don't get this. He looks like he did last year. And the year before that.
Meyer was the 13 seed at NCAAs last year, and managed to make it on to the stand. I know its just a few people but lets not just give up hope on our SR returning All American. At the end of the day, it all depends on who shows up at NCAAs, as cliche as it is to say. Look at all of the bracket busting that has occurred the last few years, I have faith Meyer will show the same heart and determination to get on the stand that he did last season, especially as a SR with this SR class that has the ability to do something special.
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He is hard to watch. Slow feet and gives up the leg the first 10 sec of almost every match. I though he turned to stone in this match for a few. I guess it is frustrating because the potential is there. I really hate saying this, but if he continues this way I don't see him AA this year.
Meyer will be alright. When push comes to shove in March give me someone like him to gut out the tough wins. He's all heart.
That makes no sense. If a referee can refuse to review something then what is the point in having a challenge system?
I didn't watch the dual, but Mike Allen presumably will be giving the referee a phone call in the morning if what Azchief said is correct. An official cannot refuse to look at the video if a challenge is requested.
Exactly, he is genetically not on the same level as these other top 174s. I was impressed with Wilcke's quickness and explosiveness tonight and I think he turns into a pretty darn good 184 because of that and the coaching. We need more like it.
Regarding Alex, I think some of you are being too hard on him. I thought he battled throughout the match, and just lost to someone who was better for that match. I think Amine was pretty impressive for a freshman, kept attacking.
However, Alex clearly should have won at the end when he locked up that cradle. Did TB run out of challenges (is that a thing)? I know he challenged the leg lock on Sorenson, and I thought there was another one somewhere. Is that why the ref wouldn't review it?
However, Alex clearly should have won at the end when he locked up that cradle. Did TB run out of challenges (is that a thing)? I know he challenged the leg lock on Sorenson, and I thought there was another one somewhere. Is that why the ref wouldn't review it?
I would have to go back to watch it, I thought I heard Tom say,"I was here before the end of the match." (Or something along those lines.
I don't know the challenges rules, but is it possible a coach cannot challenge after a period is over? Or that after it's over it need to be an officials challenge and the official was not going to review his own call?
I don't know the challenges rules, but is it possible a coach cannot challenge after a period is over? Or that after it's over it need to be an officials challenge and the official was not going to review his own call?
Alex Meyer is what he is. He's going to have A LOT of "what the hell", scratch your head moments. He'll frustrate us to no end. But he also pieces it all together from time to time to make you love him for a little bit (see last year's nationals or see Starlin Castro when he was with the Cubs).
Here's hoping that he can piece it all together when it matters most.
Here's hoping that he can piece it all together when it matters most.
Gable had wrestlers like Meyer. He would slap the crap out of them just before the match. Gable often commented that he needed to do this because some of his guys were never ready to go.
Of course, nowadays this would be taboo. So maybe Meyer should consider slapping himself silly before each match. Maybe kick himself in the nuts too - if that possible.
Of course, nowadays this would be taboo. So maybe Meyer should consider slapping himself silly before each match. Maybe kick himself in the nuts too - if that possible.
I think what you're saying is Meyer needs to pull a Liar, Liar and rough himself up a bit before going on the mat.
Well Brands definitely said something, because the official went over to the scorers table initially and there was a delay until he came back out and raised Amine's hand. Didn't appear he reviewed much if anything (IIRC of course.......).
Meyer had won his previous 14 Big Ten dual matches.
Here's some armchair psychology, but it's based on experience and may or may not have merit with regard to Meyer. When a freshman places 7th or 8th at Nationals, it motivates them, because winning a title becomes more plausible. When a junior places 7th or 8th, it's more of an accolade than a motivator--you've finally AA'd, and with one year to go you're probably not going to win a title. So you may coast a bit that final year and not improve much more.
There's a vastly different mindset between someone who wants to be a national champ and someone who wants to AA. I'm not going to name names, but you can see it fairly clearly in the intensity and passion they put into improving from year to year. (I will say that I think there are only 4 guys on the team who truly believe they not only can but will be national champs.)
My advice to Brands (because surely he loves getting advice from me) is to reinforce to everyone on the team the importance of having the goal of becoming a national champ, and nothing less. Gable reinforced this, and though it seems obvious, it was eye-opening. ("Wait, you mean me?") One can be a 3-time AA and still not deliver the points needed to win a team title (i.e. you have to average at least 10 points at every weight, and 7th and 8th place don't do that). To win team titles, you must have individuals who are focused on winning individual titles, not simply getting onto the podium. And it is a mindset that is infectious, both ways.
For Meyer and Brooks, you can't take your foot off the gas--you either continue to improve and move up the ladder toward the top, or someone new is going to catch you from behind and knock you down a rung. Senior year is a bad time to let that happen. Gotta go out with a bang, not a whimper.
There's a vastly different mindset between someone who wants to be a national champ and someone who wants to AA. I'm not going to name names, but you can see it fairly clearly in the intensity and passion they put into improving from year to year. (I will say that I think there are only 4 guys on the team who truly believe they not only can but will be national champs.)
My advice to Brands (because surely he loves getting advice from me) is to reinforce to everyone on the team the importance of having the goal of becoming a national champ, and nothing less. Gable reinforced this, and though it seems obvious, it was eye-opening. ("Wait, you mean me?") One can be a 3-time AA and still not deliver the points needed to win a team title (i.e. you have to average at least 10 points at every weight, and 7th and 8th place don't do that). To win team titles, you must have individuals who are focused on winning individual titles, not simply getting onto the podium. And it is a mindset that is infectious, both ways.
For Meyer and Brooks, you can't take your foot off the gas--you either continue to improve and move up the ladder toward the top, or someone new is going to catch you from behind and knock you down a rung. Senior year is a bad time to let that happen. Gotta go out with a bang, not a whimper.
I saw him refuse as well. And he appeared to have the cradle locked up well before the buzzer.
Tom also had to get in a ref's face for missing a scissorsed legs over a hawks head. review showed ref missed it. The cradle was more of the same, imo.
Apologies to Meyer from the other thread...he did lock up the cradle with a second left. Tom went over to the table but I don't know what he was talking about. One assumes he would want a review in a close situation like that but he did a lot of talking and the ref was like "Yea yea yea..." and then both walked away.
3.21.2.b) Coach’s Challenge. Each team is allowed one challenge per dual meet.
Iowa had already used their one challenge. The referee could have reviewed if he had reasonable certainty an error was made...apparently he didn't. He also could also review because the outcome may have had an impact on the result of the match.
3.21.2.a) Referee’s Action. The referee may stop a match when there is no significant action when the referee believes: 1) there is reasonable certainty that an error was made regarding timing, scoring, or the proper positioning of the wrestlers; 2) the situation is reviewable; or 3) the outcome of a review may have an impact on the result of the match. The referee shall review all unsportsmanlike conduct and flagrant misconduct calls.
There is no restriction on the number of times a referee may stop the match for a review and there is no time limit to conduct a review, but the referee(s) should strive for each review to be efficient and timely.
http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/WR17.pdf (pages 32-33)
Iowa had already used their one challenge. The referee could have reviewed if he had reasonable certainty an error was made...apparently he didn't. He also could also review because the outcome may have had an impact on the result of the match.
3.21.2.a) Referee’s Action. The referee may stop a match when there is no significant action when the referee believes: 1) there is reasonable certainty that an error was made regarding timing, scoring, or the proper positioning of the wrestlers; 2) the situation is reviewable; or 3) the outcome of a review may have an impact on the result of the match. The referee shall review all unsportsmanlike conduct and flagrant misconduct calls.
There is no restriction on the number of times a referee may stop the match for a review and there is no time limit to conduct a review, but the referee(s) should strive for each review to be efficient and timely.
http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/WR17.pdf (pages 32-33)
I agree with the spirit of the one-challenge-per-dual rule. You want to keep the action going, and the challenges always slow things down.
In this case, however, the ref missed the leg-scissor call in the Sorensen match. He was wrong, Brands was right. We reasonably used our challenge there.
I think Meyer had a good shot at getting a TD on review. There was a full second on the clock, and it looked pretty clear to me that his hands were locked.
The rule should be changed to "Each team is allowed one challenge per dual meet. However, if a call is overturned due to a challenge, the team retains its challenge."
In the meantime, I think it was crappy of the ref not to review it on his own, knowing that:
a) it impacted the outcome of a match--which may impact Big-10 and NCAA seeding
b) he'd already screwed up one call that evening, which cost Iowa its single team challenge.
I'm pro-referee, by the way.
Exactly right, Tarp. I'm surprised the rule doesn't already read that way. It's a no-brainer, and I'm pretty sure it's how challenge rules work in most other sports that have them. If you win the challenge, you keep it for later use. if you lose the challenge, you have none left to use. It's common sense.
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Alex never threatened to get a takedown off his offense. Aloss might be the thing he needs to get his act together. Anyone can take him down in the first minute.
Isn't this the reason there was so much talk of him moving up in weight? It seems the cut affects him from time to time.
They need to bring back Connor Ryan and have him fire off 4 or 5 shots at him w an air soft rifle right before matches to get him fired up....but air soft rifles after dark may not be a good idea in Iowa City....
It's amazing how easy and how deep guys can get in on his legs. If he was a mark perry level scrambler I'd get it but he's not and it's killing him.
I was immediately cussing and thought he was going to get embarassed but then pleasantly surprised at the end of the 1st period.
I found myself yelling at the Television....How is that not two on the locked cradle! Control for the two and back points were coming! WTH
Unfortunately we do not win many calls when left discretion is left to the ref
I found myself yelling at the Television....How is that not two on the locked cradle! Control for the two and back points were coming! WTH
Unfortunately we do not win many calls when left discretion is left to the ref
