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Americans own 423M guns & 8.1B rounds of ammunition, latest data shows

As far as those who don't own a handgun, rifle or shotgun that's a choice they make. I don't think any less of them or feel they a pussies or such I just question their commitment to protecting their family.
If all the gun owners act responsibly, why do they need to worry about protecting their families?
 
I'll mark you down as a right only exist for the wealthy type of guy. You want a poll tax too don't you?
Gun ownership is a stupid "right" encoded when guns were lousy. Reverence for that amendment is foolish. Voting is fundamental. Personal gun ownership is outdated and mostly needless (not to mention potentially dangerous).
 
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The right to self preservation is a stupid right? Wow!

Nah. You have a hobby. What are you protecting yourself from? I doubt very much that you're law abiding or responsible if you need a gun for protection. Or are your life savings in gold in a safe in your home?
 
Nah. You have a hobby. What are you protecting yourself from? I doubt very much that you're law abiding or responsible if you need a gun for protection. Or are your life savings in gold in a safe in your home?
We aren't talking about me, I have enough guns and ammo to last me a lifetime. You are talking about taxing away the rights of hard working poor people who need guns for self defense. Can't wait to see that one hit the SCOTUS.
 
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We aren't talking about me, I have enough guns and ammo to last me a lifetime. You are talking about taxing away the rights of hard working poor people who need guns for self defense. Can't wait to see that one hit the SCOTUS.

Almost nobody needs guns for self defense. Certainly not poor but responsible & law abiding people. If you live where there's predatory wildlife, you might. If you live where criminals have guns, I guess you could fall into poor but responsible and law abiding and maybe could convince me you need a gun (though I doubt it improves your chances much if you're frequently in situations where you need a gun). If you live in rural Nebraska, you don't need a gun for self defense.
 
As far as those who don't own a handgun, rifle or shotgun that's a choice they make. I don't think any less of them or feel they a pussies or such I just question their commitment to protecting their family.
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Yes, you can't get background checks but think you can repeal the second. I like your spunk.

Hmmm, you think pricing guns and ammo out of reach for poor people isn't infringing on their rights of self defense? Are you stupid?
The 2nd Amendment is clear. Gun ownership is a right. If you don't have a gun and want one, the government must give you one for free. Just like all other rights.
 
Gun ownership is a stupid "right" encoded when guns were lousy. Reverence for that amendment is foolish. Voting is fundamental. Personal gun ownership is outdated and mostly needless (not to mention potentially dangerous).
freedom of speech is a stupid right too ! it was enacted before we created social justice and before the age of electronics. Hate speech is dangerous, lets repeal the first amendment !

nice logic einstein
 
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freedom of speech is a stupid right too ! it was enacted before we created social justice and before the age of electronics. Hate speech is dangerous, lets repeal the first amendment !

nice logic einstein

dumb analogy
 
He chuckled that of all his guns, she brought him that one. So, naturally, he sprayed the old barn and the coons with a rain of lead.
Seems to be a very strange natural reaction to being handed the weapon. I am quite sure that 100% of my gun owning friends would not do this. Did he kill small animals as a child?

Pretty sure you are friends with a sociopath. Why the carnage...he did not want his garbage getting eaten?
 
dumb analogy
Actually I think Roy is making an excellent point to the people whose belief is that since semiauto firearms didn't exist when our founding fathers wrote the 2nd then it should be yanked as obsolete.

Social media (and all the dark aspects of it) didn't exist then either. Should we yank free speech as obsolete as well?
 
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The 2nd Amendment is clear. Gun ownership is a right. If you don't have a gun and want one, the government must give you one for free. Just like all other rights.


They give you the right to own a gun however if you exercise that right you must purchase the gun yourself. In a Pollyanna liberal socialist world everything would be handed to you at your neighbors expense.
 
My first line of defense is a sharpened spade in my bedroom closet. Could also come in handy in a fire (which a gun won't).

You don't have to stoop to a mop or broom.


If you are one of the countless victims of a home invasion, once the front door is busted down you run to the upstairs bedroom to get your sharpened spade. After you return you find your family being held at gunpoint, just how effective is your garden tool now?


Anyone who relies on a sharpened spade to defend their family from harm is a total fool not to mention negligent in protecting their family.
 
Seems to be a very strange natural reaction to being handed the weapon. I am quite sure that 100% of my gun owning friends would not do this. Did he kill small animals as a child?

Pretty sure you are friends with a sociopath. Why the carnage...he did not want his garbage getting eaten?
You don't mention any personal experiences. Have you never touched or fired a gun?
 
You don't mention any personal experiences. Have you never touched or fired a gun?
I have fired multiple types of weapons - courtesy of my brother in law who owns numerous guns and is a federal agent. He takes me shooting from time to time, but I am pretty much a novice and basically know the minimum to safely handle a weapon.

I do not own a gun and see no need to.
I also see no need to blast away at a couple raccoons like that. Seems crazy.
 
I have fired multiple types of weapons - courtesy of my brother in law who owns numerous guns and is a federal agent. He takes me shooting from time to time, but I am pretty much a novice and basically know the minimum to safely handle a weapon.

I do not own a gun and see no need to.
I also see no need to blast away at a couple raccoons like that. Seems crazy.
I grew up on a farm and have shot many critters over the years. They don't stand still very long, if at all. It usually takes multiple shots. You want a quick kill so they don't suffer. They do not die easy. You've got to be sure. Of course, the higher the caliber weapon, the larger the hole it creates. I grew up using a .22 cal. Nothing like the rifles they have now.
 
If you are one of the countless victims of a home invasion, once the front door is busted down you run to the upstairs bedroom to get your sharpened spade. After you return you find your family being held at gunpoint, just how effective is your garden tool now?


Anyone who relies on a sharpened spade to defend their family from harm is a total fool not to mention negligent in protecting their family.

The house we live in is safe. Highly unlikely anyone breaks into it at night while we are sleeping. Even more unlikely someone is going to kick in my front door and grab my family at gunpoint.

I sleep upstairs, my family sleeps upstairs, if anyone breaks into our house they will first have to deal with my dog. Not a vicious pooch but very noisy and he doesn't care for strangers in the house. Highly unlikely that doesn't send them packing. If it does not send them packing and they want to come up after us (which if they are after money they will find my wallet downstairs and they can take it and leave) my upstairs has several natural kill zones which I can defend either with a gun or with my "garden tool".

Let's talk about my "garden tool". The fool would be someone who thinks they can get past me, in my home, on my turf, where I have chosen to engage them before I can deliver them a lethal strike. While there is no formal training on use of a spade there is formal training on the use of a bayonet....and to be honest....my spade can do a few things better than a bayonet and that includes being used as a tool during a fire or other emergency outside of an armed intruder.

Do I have guns? Absolutely. Do I need to keep any of them unsecured and loaded in my house? Absolutely not. If you cannot say the same and feel you need to turn your home into an armed fortress, I don't feel sorry for you...….but I do feel sorry for your family.
 
Sounds like a big waste of money.

I often wonder what it would be like to have a cashless society. Everything is a debit or credit card and algorithms decide if you should be buying something.

Too much debt ? It denies most transactions for unnecessary purchases until you get your shit together.
Well your mom and I are on a barter system, and it works pretty well, actually.
 
The house we live in is safe. Highly unlikely anyone breaks into it at night while we are sleeping. Even more unlikely someone is going to kick in my front door and grab my family at gunpoint.

I sleep upstairs, my family sleeps upstairs, if anyone breaks into our house they will first have to deal with my dog. Not a vicious pooch but very noisy and he doesn't care for strangers in the house. Highly unlikely that doesn't send them packing. If it does not send them packing and they want to come up after us (which if they are after money they will find my wallet downstairs and they can take it and leave) my upstairs has several natural kill zones which I can defend either with a gun or with my "garden tool".

Let's talk about my "garden tool". The fool would be someone who thinks they can get past me, in my home, on my turf, where I have chosen to engage them before I can deliver them a lethal strike. While there is no formal training on use of a spade there is formal training on the use of a bayonet....and to be honest....my spade can do a few things better than a bayonet and that includes being used as a tool during a fire or other emergency outside of an armed intruder.

Do I have guns? Absolutely. Do I need to keep any of them unsecured and loaded in my house? Absolutely not. If you cannot say the same and feel you need to turn your home into an armed fortress, I don't feel sorry for you...….but I do feel sorry for your family.


If you're not going to keep them loaded there isn't any need to even have a gun for personal protection. My handguns are all loaded and secured in different rooms throughout my home.
 
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Gun ownership is a stupid "right" encoded when guns were lousy. Reverence for that amendment is foolish. Voting is fundamental. Personal gun ownership is outdated and mostly needless (not to mention potentially dangerous).

Are you volunteering to walk through Chicago neighborhoods collecting guns and telling people they are safe because they have a police department protecting them?
 
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Almost nobody needs guns for self defense. Certainly not poor but responsible & law abiding people. If you live where there's predatory wildlife, you might. If you live where criminals have guns, I guess you could fall into poor but responsible and law abiding and maybe could convince me you need a gun (though I doubt it improves your chances much if you're frequently in situations where you need a gun). If you live in rural Nebraska, you don't need a gun for self defense.


Having a gun increases your chances for living when a dire situation arises.
 
If you're not going to keep them loaded there isn't any need to even have a gun for personal protection. My handguns are all loaded and secured in different rooms throughout my home.

well, sadly we have far too many example of parents/adults who do not keep their guns secured, which can lead to tragic outcomes all too often.

if all gun owners were responsible about their guns I’d have far fewer issues. Glad to hear you take care of yours.
 
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I don’t get it.... I protect myself from war by living in Iowa. If I ever felt so unsafe I needed a gun I would move. Canada seems ok
Knowingly or not you and others are making a solid case for guns being in the hands of private citizens not being some national emergency. I mean 3-4 guns per household on average in Iowa and you seem to be doing just fine. Not living in fear of all the scary evil gun owners after all?
 
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Knowingly or not you and others are making a solid case for guns being in the hands of private citizens not being some national emergency. I mean 3-4 guns per household on average in Iowa and you seem to be doing just fine. Not living in fear of all the scary evil gun owners after all?

My kids are 4 and 2. I am dreading the day I have to explain to them the purpose of an active shooter drill. You’re right - I’m not living in fear, but I don’t think that’s “doing fine”.
 
My kids are 4 and 2. I am dreading the day I have to explain to them the purpose of an active shooter drill. You’re right - I’m not living in fear, but I don’t think that’s “doing fine”.
Dreading the day? Do you "dread" every day putting them in a car to drive to school bc they're far more likely to die doing so than in a random school shooting. Random public gun violence is extremely rare. Dont be a drama queen.
 
Dreading the day? Do you "dread" every day putting them in a car to drive to school bc they're far more likely to die doing so than in a random school shooting. Random public gun violence is extremely rare. Dont be a drama queen.

I’m dreading the day when I have to explain to them this is our best solution to this problem. That our country believes guns are so important that they need to learn to “scatter” to reduce casualties.

I find it absurd, embarrassing and at some level am ashamed.
 
If you're not going to keep them loaded there isn't any need to even have a gun for personal protection. My handguns are all loaded and secured in different rooms throughout my home.

It must suck to live in such a shitty neighborhood. If you didn't spend so much money on your fetish, perhaps you could live somewhere without crime.
 
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It must suck to live in such a shitty neighborhood. If you didn't spend so much money on your fetish, perhaps you could live somewhere without crime.
Just the opposite I live in a gated community the dregs of the world know where the high dollar items are kept. Nobody robs a trailer park thus you are safe.
 
Just the opposite I live in a gated community the dregs of the world know where the high dollar items are kept. Nobody robs a trailer park thus you are safe.

Your story would be more believable if you said you were forced to live in Omaha for work.
 
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The Afghans have guns, too. That’s what’s keeping them from being invaded.
Maybe not, however historically they may have been invaded more times and deeper into history longer than any other location on the planet. However, they have also resisted for that long as well. The graveyard of empires.
 
Having a gun increases your chances for living when a dire situation arises.
LOL...having a gun also greatly increases your chances of dying by gunshot in "non-dire" situtations. Which is more common?

FTR, it appears we have enough guns. Given the level of gun violence in the US, what we're obviously missing is "good guys". We need more "good guys".
 
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