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An Important Win in the Supreme Court for Class Actions

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On Wednesday, the Supreme Court gave an important victory to regular Americans, ruling that companies may not avoid class-action lawsuits by offering to buy off the individual plaintiffs before they can establish a class of similarly harmed people.

The 6-to-3 decision was a surprising break from a long line of extremely pro-business and anti-class-action rulings by the five conservative justices, led by Chief Justice John Roberts Jr.

Class-action suits are a critical type of litigation that allows people with relatively small claims to band together to hold corporations liable for wrongdoing. A single lawsuit by one individual is often not worth a lawyer’s time, even if a company has violated the rights of large numbers of people. That’s why it’s crucial to allow all those harmed to seek the same relief in a single suit.

Obviously, companies want to evade such litigation at all costs, and with the help of sympathetic justices they have devised all sorts of ways to do that. Over the last decade, the court’s conservatives have consistently made it harder for consumers and workers to vindicate their rights, either by increasing the requirements for bringing a class action or by eliminating the option altogether through strict arbitration clauses.

This case, Campbell-Ewald Co. v. Gomez, started in 2006, when Jose Gomez received a text message from Campbell-Ewald, a company the United States Navy had hired to recruit young people who had consented to getting such messages. Mr. Gomez was nearly 40 at the time and had not consented. He sued the company for $1,500 — the maximum remedy under a federal law that protects people against unwanted telephone solicitations. He also began the process of bringing a class-action lawsuit to represent thousands of people who had been sent the same messages without permission.

Rather than fight, Campbell-Ewald offered to pay Mr. Gomez what he asked for, but declined to admit it had broken the law. He refused the money, and proceeded with his class action. The company argued that its offer ended the lawsuit, and thus the basis for a class action, since there was no longer any controversy for a court to rule on.



The Supreme Court disagreed. In an opinion written by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the court ruled that a plaintiff’s legal claim is not voided if he or she does not accept a defendant’s offer, even if the offer is exactly what the plaintiff requested. “When a plaintiff rejects such an offer — however good the terms — her interest in the lawsuit remains just what it was before. And so too does the court’s ability to grant her relief,” Justice Ginsburg wrote.


This was the right outcome. Had the court ruled the other way, it would have allowed companies to make settlement offers just to head off class-action suits — preventing many class actions from ever getting through the courthouse door. Chief Justice Roberts, who was joined in dissent by Justices Antonin Scalia and Samuel Alito Jr., was not concerned with deeply damaging the class-action process. “If the defendant is willing to give the plaintiff everything he asks for, there is no case or controversy to adjudicate, and the lawsuit is moot,” he wrote. But following that reasoning “would place the defendant in the driver’s seat,” Justice Ginsburg replied, since it costs a company virtually nothing to pay off an individual plaintiff.

The court left open the question of whether a company could still dodge liability by depositing the full amount of a plaintiff’s claim in an account, leading a trial court to rule in favor of the plaintiff. Under the logic of Wednesday’s ruling, the justices should close that loophole when corporations try to exploit it and protect what remains of the class action from the unrelenting efforts of business to undermine it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/21/o...reme-court-for-class-actions.html?ref=opinion
 
so, can the whole nation, who lost our insurance and our doctors, now team up and do a class action against Obama, who ruined our health insurance and our relationships with our doctors, Obama who was criminally negligent ??
 
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Only the lawyers win in class action lawsuits. They make millions; each member of the class gets squat.

Of course in your blind political rhetoric, you amazingly miss the point entirely. This is more about justice than it is about money. Of course, righties only believe that justice exists for corporations, not the ordinary Joe or Jane.
 
Of course in your blind political rhetoric, you amazingly miss the point entirely. This is more about justice than it is about money. Of course, righties only believe that justice exists for corporations, not the ordinary Joe or Jane.

Kill the lawyers and start over. They are the ones who are literally running this county into the ground, and since just about everyone in Congress is a lawyer, they are the most powerful lobby in the country by far.
 
Yes the lawyers make money either way, either the settlement out of court or class action-they get paid. This supreme court does not understand true justice
 
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Kill the lawyers and start over. They are the ones who are literally running this county into the ground, and since just about everyone in Congress is a lawyer, they are the most powerful lobby in the country by far.

Thanks for your completely worthless contribution to the thread.
 
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When the Chipotle class action suit happens, the lawyers will make millions and each member of the class will get a coupon for a free Mission burrito.
 
Does this bar individual plaintiffs from making their own settlements with defendants?
 
When the Chipotle class action suit happens, the lawyers will make millions and each member of the class will get a coupon for a free Mission burrito.

Again, you completely miss the point. Are you suggesting that class actions never have a purpose other than money? For instance, Amazon was blatantly price fixing books on their Kindle devices. Through class action, that practice was stopped. The plaintiffs received relatively minor compensation, but the unjust practice was stopped.
 
Does this bar individual plaintiffs from making their own settlements with defendants?

No, it bars companies from settling class action suits by giving the initial plaintiff what they ask for. In this case, the initial plaintiff sued for $1,500 and wanted to open a class action. The defendant said they would give him the $1,500 and close the class action involuntarily. The defendant didn't want only the $1,500, he also wanted to go to court to get them to stop the conduct that led to the initial claim. The court said the defendant didn't have to settle if he didn't want to, even if he got all the money he was asking for.
 
Again, you completely miss the point. Are you suggesting that class actions never have a purpose other than money? For instance, Amazon was blatantly price fixing books on their Kindle devices. Through class action, that practice was stopped. The plaintiffs received relatively minor compensation, but the unjust practice was stopped.

There are WAY more efficient ways to achieve that goal. The ambulance chasers don't need to be enriched by it.
 
Kill the lawyers and start over. They are the ones who are literally running this county into the ground, and since just about everyone in Congress is a lawyer, they are the most powerful lobby in the country by far.

Ignoring your non-supported, entirely pro-business rhetoric, your assertion is simply wrong:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2013/01/17/an-awesome-diagram-of-the-113th-congress/

113th Congress had 45 lawyers in the senate, and 128 in the house. That is 45% and 30% respectively.

And this is entirely nonsensical considering THE BUSINESSES ARE DOING THIS THROUGH LAWYERS. Lawyers aren't a "lobby", lawyers are in direct opposition and competition.

Answer this simply Trad: Would you agree with the business that once they pay the $1,500 that the person can't sue them, especially as a class?
 
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When the Chipotle class action suit happens, the lawyers will make millions and each member of the class will get a coupon for a free Mission burrito.

As cowtipper is pointing out, you don't get the purpose of the class. Until you recognize that fundamental you are joining OiT as the most unhinged.
 
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In the 114th Congress, 159 members of the House (36 percent of the House) and 54 Senators (54 percent of the Senate) hold law degrees.

According to the CQ Roll Call Guide to the New Congress, in the 114th Congress, public service/politics is the dominantly declared profession of Senators, followed by law, then business; for Representatives, public service/politics is first, followed by business, then law.

But many of those declaring "public service/politics" are in fact law school graduates.

I completely get the "purpose" of class action suits. To enrich lawyers. Justice could be served way more efficiently without enriching the lawyers.
 
Law degrees =\= lawyers, but even those percentages don't fit your hyperbole.

And you prove and admit you don't understand class actions.
 
Feel free, at any time, to show how justice in this situation would be better served without lawyers.
 
No, it bars companies from settling class action suits by giving the initial plaintiff what they ask for. In this case, the initial plaintiff sued for $1,500 and wanted to open a class action. The defendant said they would give him the $1,500 and close the class action involuntarily. The defendant didn't want only the $1,500, he also wanted to go to court to get them to stop the conduct that led to the initial claim. The court said the plaintiff didn't have to settle if he didn't want to, even if he got all the money he was asking for.

FIFY.

Thanks.
 
Feel free, at any time, to show how justice in this situation would be better served without lawyers.

Every possible thing we can do in our lives has some sort of federal or state agency regulating it. If someone is harming a lot of people through defective products, fraudulent promises, etc., etc. whatever, there could be an administrative way for fact-finding and the assignment of damages that would not involve Erin Brockovich making millions of dollars for her lawyer boss.
 
Every possible thing we can do in our lives has some sort of federal or state agency regulating it. If someone is harming a lot of people through defective products, fraudulent promises, etc., etc. whatever, there could be an administrative way for fact-finding and the assignment of damages that would not involve Erin Brockovich making millions of dollars for her lawyer boss.


So your solution is bigger government?

And to trust government employees' determinations -- instead of a jury composed of citizens of the community?
 
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So your solution is bigger government?

And to trust government employees' determinations -- instead of a jury composed of citizens of the community?

God yes. Have you ever seen the idiots they drag in for jury duty?

We already have big government. They could actually be doing something useful.

The EEOC has a mediation program that is very effective. Probably the only good thing they have going on.
 
Every possible thing we can do in our lives has some sort of federal or state agency regulating it. If someone is harming a lot of people through defective products, fraudulent promises, etc., etc. whatever, there could be an administrative way for fact-finding and the assignment of damages that would not involve Erin Brockovich making millions of dollars for her lawyer boss.

Oh, you want government I do it. Did not see that coming.
 
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God yes. Have you ever seen the idiots they drag in for jury duty?

We already have big government. They could actually be doing something useful.

The EEOC has a mediation program that is very effective. Probably the only good thing they have going on.

St Louis, if you haven't read Trad's post let me enlighten you.

He works in HR for some some big Corp so he deals with the EEOC a lot, they rule mostly in his favor, so he often touts them as effective.

He thinks claimants in that process shouldn't have counsel because the mediations he goes to are fair (even though he admits he usually wins).
 
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Right, I get that you support government deciding...as long as it keeps deciding heavily in favor of business. My guess is you wouldn't approve if the percentages reversed. Then it would be that tyrany word you love to use.
 
Right, I get that you support government deciding...as long as it keeps deciding heavily in favor of business. My guess is you wouldn't approve if the percentages reversed. Then it would be that tyrany word you love to use.

Wrong.

You know, I really piss off my operational managers because I side with employees in many disputes. In my job, anyway, I'm not on anybody's side. I want to do what's right in accordance with law and policy.
 
There are WAY more efficient ways to achieve that goal. The ambulance chasers don't need to be enriched by it.
It warms my heart to see you post this. You know what would be more efficient then having the private market police these things? Simply enforce more regulations directly. You're turning into a liberal before our eyes.
 
Every possible thing we can do in our lives has some sort of federal or state agency regulating it. If someone is harming a lot of people through defective products, fraudulent promises, etc., etc. whatever, there could be an administrative way for fact-finding and the assignment of damages that would not involve Erin Brockovich making millions of dollars for her lawyer boss.
Another post in favor of government monitoring of business practices. Its like a candy store in here.
 
It warms my heart to see you post this. You know what would be more efficient then having the private market police these things? Simply enforce more regulations directly. You're turning into a liberal before our eyes.

If you think regulation can prevent class action suits, I have bridge in Brooklyn you might want to buy.....
 
Wrong.

You know, I really piss off my operational managers because I side with employees in many disputes. In my job, anyway, I'm not on anybody's side. I want to do what's right in accordance with law and policy.

Gotta love HR people.
 
If you think regulation can prevent class action suits, I have bridge in Brooklyn you might want to buy.....
You think that too, you just said as much. "The EEOC has a mediation program that is very effective. Probably the only good thing they have going on." Come get your hug and welcome to the dark side.

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You think that too, you just said as much. "The EEOC has a mediation program that is very effective. Probably the only good thing they have going on." Come get your hug and welcome to the dark side.

You still don't get it. If government is going to be involved (which is a necessity even when determining if private arbitration is binding), then government should seek the most-efficient, least-costly methods for settling disputes. Something the lawyers are deathly opposed to. Everything has to be a full-blown jury trial to maximize billing opportunities.
 
You still don't get it. If government is going to be involved (which is a necessity even when determining if private arbitration is binding), then government should seek the most-efficient, least-costly methods for settling disputes. Something the lawyers are deathly opposed to. Everything has to be a full-blown jury trial to maximize billing opportunities.
I get it fine. You want government more involved with telling business what to do.
 
You still don't get it. If government is going to be involved (which is a necessity even when determining if private arbitration is binding), then government should seek the most-efficient, least-costly methods for settling disputes. Something the lawyers are deathly opposed to. Everything has to be a full-blown jury trial to maximize billing opportunities.

So many ignorantly wrong things in such a short post.
 
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