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Iowa. “You saw some promise with Keegan Murray last year, but nobody saw that he could be one of the leading scorers in the country. He’s a classic three-level scorer. I like the Murray brothers, but it’s hard to play them together. Their ball-screen coverage is improved over last season, because Luka Garza was terrible at that. Jordan Bohannon is not shooting it well. He’s easier to guard when he’s not making shots. They get a lot of five-man movement that produces mismatches. Patrick McCaffery has played really well for them. Their defense has always been the knock. They mix defenses, which makes them a difficult prep for the tournament. You always wonder when they get to the tournament can they win a rock fight, grind-it-out kind of game.”
 
Iowa. “You saw some promise with Keegan Murray last year, but nobody saw that he could be one of the leading scorers in the country. He’s a classic three-level scorer. I like the Murray brothers, but it’s hard to play them together. Their ball-screen coverage is improved over last season, because Luka Garza was terrible at that. Jordan Bohannon is not shooting it well. He’s easier to guard when he’s not making shots. They get a lot of five-man movement that produces mismatches. Patrick McCaffery has played really well for them. Their defense has always been the knock. They mix defenses, which makes them a difficult prep for the tournament. You always wonder when they get to the tournament can they win a rock fight, grind-it-out kind of game.”
Was mostly referring to the Murray twin comments in my first post.

I’m pretty confident at least 95% of coaches from other conferences would disagree with that statement. There are pros and cons to every lineup, but that coach’s statement is simply false.
 
Iowa. “You saw some promise with Keegan Murray last year, but nobody saw that he could be one of the leading scorers in the country. He’s a classic three-level scorer. I like the Murray brothers, but it’s hard to play them together. Their ball-screen coverage is improved over last season, because Luka Garza was terrible at that. Jordan Bohannon is not shooting it well. He’s easier to guard when he’s not making shots. They get a lot of five-man movement that produces mismatches. Patrick McCaffery has played really well for them. Their defense has always been the knock. They mix defenses, which makes them a difficult prep for the tournament. You always wonder when they get to the tournament can they win a rock fight, grind-it-out kind of game.”
Good stuff and it seems once B10 teams and especially Iowa hit the tournament, they are indeed tough to prep for and the game is officiated differently than the normal B10 grind.
 
Why is it hard to play the Murray twins together? Is he saying it’s hard to play Iowa when they are playing them together or understands that it’s hard for Iowa to play them together?
I read that as it's hard for Fran.

Hard to believe as they seem to play pretty well together.
 
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How so? The “anonymous coach” said, “I like the Murray brothers, but it’s hard to play them together.” I can interpret it either way. I assume it means hard for Iowa to play both at the same time, but depending on coach there were a couple games where Kris lit it up too.
 
How so? The “anonymous coach” said, “I like the Murray brothers, but it’s hard to play them together.” I can interpret it either way. I assume it means hard for Iowa to play both at the same time, but depending on coach there were a couple games where Kris lit it up too.
I meant from the coach. Looks to me like he meant playing both at the same time. They can clearly play together with any number of players.
 
Iowa. “You saw some promise with Keegan Murray last year, but nobody saw that he could be one of the leading scorers in the country. He’s a classic three-level scorer. I like the Murray brothers, but it’s hard to play them together. Their ball-screen coverage is improved over last season, because Luka Garza was terrible at that. Jordan Bohannon is not shooting it well. He’s easier to guard when he’s not making shots. They get a lot of five-man movement that produces mismatches. Patrick McCaffery has played really well for them. Their defense has always been the knock. They mix defenses, which makes them a difficult prep for the tournament. You always wonder when they get to the tournament can they win a rock fight, grind-it-out kind of game.”

Patrick McCaffery has played really well for them…….wow that’s gonna irritate some of our……”fans?”
 
Good stuff and it seems once B10 teams and especially Iowa hit the tournament, they are indeed tough to prep for and the game is officiated differently than the normal B10 grind.
Why would it seem Iowa is tough to prep for in the tournament?

Because of all those deep runs we've made?
 
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So hard to play guys who have been playing together literally their whole lives together. Lol give me a break lol. Yep used two lols because it was actually funny typing that
 
Why would it seem Iowa is tough to prep for in the tournament?

Because of all those deep runs we've made?
I would say because of the pace we play at. A lot of teams aren't used to getting back on defense that quick. Then again, there are some teams that can play well at that pace.
 
Was mostly referring to the Murray twin comments in my first post.

I’m pretty confident at least 95% of coaches from other conferences would disagree with that statement. There are pros and cons to every lineup, but that coach’s statement is simply false.
I’m not sure that’s true. Many of Kris’s best moments have been when Keegan is not in. They have very similar skillsets and when Keegan gets so much of the focus of the offense (rightly so), Kris sometimes gets lost a bit.
 
I would say because of the pace we play at. A lot of teams aren't used to getting back on defense that quick. Then again, there are some teams that can play well at that pace.
The comment about Iowa being tough to prepare for in a tournament is one of those conventional wisdom things that sounds good, but in reality hasn't come to fruition. In the NCAA tournament under Fran, the only time Iowa lost in the second round as a higher seed was last year in the Oregon game.

Under Fran, Iowa has lost as an 11 seed in a play-in game, then in the second round 3 times after coming through the 7-10 game and facing a 2 seed, then obviously losing as a 2 seed to Oregon. Iowa just got overwhelmed by 2 seeds when coming through the 7-10 games, and then we all know what happened when Iowa was actually a 2 seed (sigh).

I won't belabor the NCAA point. Prior to last year, Iowa lost to far better teams in the tournament. The odd thing to me is Iowa's failure to do anything in the BTT under Fran. One semifinal appearance in over 10 years, in the year they got the double bye and won 1 game. I don't really comprehend that one.
 
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The comment about Iowa being tough to prepare for in a tournament is one of those conventional wisdom things that sounds good, but in reality hasn't come to fruition. In the NCAA tournament under Fran, the only time Iowa lost in the second round as a higher seed was last year in the Oregon game.

Under Fran, Iowa has lost as an 11 seed in a play-in game, then in the second round 3 times after coming through the 7-10 game and facing a 2 seed, then obviously losing as a 2 seed to Oregon. Iowa just got overwhelmed by 2 seeds when coming through the 7-10 games, and then we all know what happened when Iowa was actually a 2 seed (sigh).

I won't belabor the NCAA point. Prior to last year, Iowa lost to far better teams in the tournament. The odd thing to me is Iowa's failure to do anything in the BTT under Fran. One semifinal appearance in over 10 years, in the year they got the double bye and won 1 game. I don't really comprehend that one.
Vs league opponents familiarity with our style eliminates any edge.
Just comes down to talent in the BTT.
 
Why? PMac HAS played well. He has his mistakes and some irksome tendencies, but he is developing into a nice player.
Bob -- One thing you must know about this forum is people assume you are either a 100% Fanboy or 100% hater. You are not allowed to be in the middle. Heaven forbid you are critical of a player or Fran because that means you are hurling personal insults and not a "fan" of the team, according to the loud people in this forum who think their opinions matter more than others... which is absolutely insane. I've been very critical of Fran's rotations this year but I'm also as big a fan as there is.

Looking forward to going to the game tomorrow, my 4th of the year. Curious how many games the "real" fans have gone to this year.
 
Need to win some more games. We have looked and played better against some fairly bad teams. Good teams coming up and we need to continue to score, rebound and play some defense.
 
Why? PMac HAS played well. He has his mistakes and some irksome tendencies, but he is developing into a nice player.
I was pretty upset earlier in the season that he was starting over Kris, and I still think Kris should start, but PMac has improved significantly. I think he's forcing less shots, less off balance attempted, "layups," high off of the backboard.
 
I’m not sure that’s true. Many of Kris’s best moments have been when Keegan is not in. They have very similar skillsets and when Keegan gets so much of the focus of the offense (rightly so), Kris sometimes gets lost a bit.

The Murray brothers have played together probably 15% of Kris's minutes, so the film on how tough it is to play them together is limited. They are to some extent the same player, so that is a strenth and weakness. I think the communication of defense/offense between the two and ability to defend anyone on court makes playing both of them the smart play.

The limit in playing them together is PMAC plays most of the "3" minutes and that means Kris often has to play post when he is playing with Keegan.

Pmac is good player offensively because hie is good ball hander and can create his own shot.

If you look at PMAC stats vs Kris, Kris beats him in rebounding and scoring efficiency Yes PMAC has played well this year, but his shooting numbers don't say he is highly efficent scoring.....32% from 3pt line is below NCAA average and 47% from 2pt for 6'9 guy line is kind of meh...Kris is 40% from 3pt line and 54% from 2pt.

I don't find it surprising a fellow coach complements another coach's kid. It really is a good ole boy network.
I remember listening to Lute Olson pre-game radio interviews...He woulld ALWAYs say the strength of the other team was they were "well coached" when the reality is 50% of the coaches have to be aveage or below average to their peers by definition.
 
The comment about Iowa being tough to prepare for in a tournament is one of those conventional wisdom things that sounds good, but in reality hasn't come to fruition. In the NCAA tournament under Fran, the only time Iowa lost in the second round as a higher seed was last year in the Oregon game.

Under Fran, Iowa has lost as an 11 seed in a play-in game, then in the second round 3 times after coming through the 7-10 game and facing a 2 seed, then obviously losing as a 2 seed to Oregon. Iowa just got overwhelmed by 2 seeds when coming through the 7-10 games, and then we all know what happened when Iowa was actually a 2 seed (sigh).

I won't belabor the NCAA point. Prior to last year, Iowa lost to far better teams in the tournament. The odd thing to me is Iowa's failure to do anything in the BTT under Fran. One semifinal appearance in over 10 years, in the year they got the double bye and won 1 game. I don't really comprehend that one.
I look at the "rock fight" comment as a significant reason for Fran's lack of BTT success. For whatever reason his teams don't handle teams that play physically and in the BTT the officials allow a higher degree of physical play. It can be argued the officials letting play get more physical as the conference schedule moves on, is a factor in the "Fran fade."
 
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The Murray brothers have played together probably 15% of Kris's minutes, so the film on how tough it is to play them together is limited. They are to some extent the same player, so that is a strenth and weakness. I think the communication of defense/offense between the two and ability to defend anyone on court makes playing both of them the smart play.

The limit in playing them together is PMAC plays most of the "3" minutes and that means Kris often has to play post when he is playing with Keegan.

Pmac is good player offensively because hie is good ball hander and can create his own shot.

If you look at PMAC stats vs Kris, Kris beats him in rebounding and scoring efficiency Yes PMAC has played well this year, but his shooting numbers don't say he is highly efficent scoring.....32% from 3pt line is below NCAA average and 47% from 2pt for 6'9 guy line is kind of meh...Kris is 40% from 3pt line and 54% from 2pt.

I don't find it surprising a fellow coach complements another coach's kid. It really is a good ole boy network.
I remember listening to Lute Olson pre-game radio interviews...He woulld ALWAYs say the strength of the other team was they were "well coached" when the reality is 50% of the coaches have to be aveage or below average to their peers by definition.
The coach knew he was being anonymous, no reason for a "good ole boy network" in that context. But, hey, if that helps you justify your opinions vs. someone who has coached, by all means, carry on.
 
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I was pretty upset earlier in the season that he was starting over Kris, and I still think Kris should start, but PMac has improved significantly. I think he's forcing less shots, less off balance attempted, "layups," high off of the backboard.
He had a rough patch where he looked lost. It's great to see him refocused on what he's good at and sticking to it.
 
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The Murray brothers have played together probably 15% of Kris's minutes, so the film on how tough it is to play them together is limited. They are to some extent the same player, so that is a strenth and weakness. I think the communication of defense/offense between the two and ability to defend anyone on court makes playing both of them the smart play.

The limit in playing them together is PMAC plays most of the "3" minutes and that means Kris often has to play post when he is playing with Keegan.

Pmac is good player offensively because hie is good ball hander and can create his own shot.

If you look at PMAC stats vs Kris, Kris beats him in rebounding and scoring efficiency Yes PMAC has played well this year, but his shooting numbers don't say he is highly efficent scoring.....32% from 3pt line is below NCAA average and 47% from 2pt for 6'9 guy line is kind of meh...Kris is 40% from 3pt line and 54% from 2pt.

I don't find it surprising a fellow coach complements another coach's kid. It really is a good ole boy network.
I remember listening to Lute Olson pre-game radio interviews...He woulld ALWAYs say the strength of the other team was they were "well coached" when the reality is 50% of the coaches have to be aveage or below average to their peers by definition.
It’s also not just a Patrick question. Kris can also play the 5, which creates a lot of different combinations. I like the variability by opponent - sometimes Iowa has had good success for stretches with the Murrays and Patrick in together. That gives Iowa a lot of size and length. I would like to see Kris’s minutes go up to 25 min + most of the time, which would uptick the number of minutes he plays with Keegan.
 
It’s also not just a Patrick question. Kris can also play the 5, which creates a lot of different combinations. I like the variability by opponent - sometimes Iowa has had good success for stretches with the Murrays and Patrick in together. That gives Iowa a lot of size and length. I would like to see Kris’s minutes go up to 25 min + most of the time, which would uptick the number of minutes he plays with Keegan.
Twins, Patrick, Joe, and JBo is a pretty good five.
 
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It’s also not just a Patrick question. Kris can also play the 5, which creates a lot of different combinations. I like the variability by opponent - sometimes Iowa has had good success for stretches with the Murrays and Patrick in together. That gives Iowa a lot of size and length. I would like to see Kris’s minutes go up to 25 min + most of the time, which would uptick the number of minutes he plays with Keegan.
Kris is playing the 5 pretty much every game while subbing for Rebraca. The reason he doesn't get the minutes is because he doesn't get a lot of playing time at any other spot.
 
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Kris is playing the 5 pretty much every game while subbing for Rebraca. The reason he doesn't get the minutes is because he doesn't get a lot of playing time at any other spot.
Every off-season, a lot of posters will make playing time predictions for each position. I would be interested in seeing someone take a stab at how minutes are actually being distributed by position with this year's team.

We talk a lot about guys who play, or could play, different positions. I wonder how much of that is really happening.
 
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Every off-season, a lot of posters will make playing time predictions for each position. I would be interested in seeing someone take a stab at how minutes are actually being distributed by position with this year's team.

We talk a lot about guys who play, or could play, different positions. I wonder how much of that is really happening.

Sounds like a job for Kilroy
 
I don't have access to The Athletic, so does the article say that the reporter talked directly with the coaches? Or was it just email correspondence? If the reporter did not talk directly to coach, then "Anonymous Coach" could easily be some underling.
 

Why? PMac HAS played well. He has his mistakes and some irksome tendencies, but he is developing into a nice player.
Because there are some "fans" on here who think he sucks and only plays due to nepotism, etc....

Personally I think the young man is really talented and that it's been pretty obvious for quite a while.
 
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