for possibly getting one of the football players to wrestle for the Hawks ... one of the Paulsen kids or someone else that wrestled in HS? The Hawks need somebody with size.Go Hawks!!!
Any Chance at Hwt
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In my opinion, no. It's too late in the season to get a guy ready who hasn't wrestled in years. Holloway is the best we got.
Edit to add, the one guy who crossed my mind was Cook but not sure on his size.
Edit to add, the one guy who crossed my mind was Cook but not sure on his size.
Cook would be ideal. The Pausen boys are way big and probably would have a hard time getting to 285 (I assume that is the heaviest a Hwt can be). Go Hawks!!!
Sadly, the days of guys like Mark Sindlinger are gone. Frustrating as heck to go from a high AA to zilch at 285 yet again. Three times in the past several years -- once with Telford and twice now with Stoll.
Shoot -- Telford, McDonough, Evans at Nationals, Ethen Lofthouse at Nationals, Clark, and now Stoll twice. . . that's some tough luck. Injuries have been killing us in recent years.
Shoot -- Telford, McDonough, Evans at Nationals, Ethen Lofthouse at Nationals, Clark, and now Stoll twice. . . that's some tough luck. Injuries have been killing us in recent years.
Any of our football players would get destroyed on the mat. PSU tried this with Jan Johnson last year, and I don't think he won more than a match or two. For a point of reference, he was a top 50 recruit coming out of high school, and took less time off than the Paulsens.
Austin Blythe might have been one of those guys who could have pulled it off a couple years back -- if he'd been able to cut about 30 pounds, which clearly wouldn't have gone over well with Kirk and would have been less than ideal for his football plans.
Yep, Johnson went 1-9. And he was a two time PA state champ. Not a knock on the kid, he gave a hell of an effort, as does Holloway. It's just a tough spot to be in.
I didn't want to like this post because of the content, but that was exactly my thought. Now I'm worried that Sam may never get healthy.
Anybody check the soccer team? Anybody on there able to fill in? The chess club is also slow this time of year, maybe one of those guys can help out.
That hurts more now than ever. Wonder if he has any regrets?
I think Sam will be fine for next season. I assume he will have surgery soon if he hasn't already.
Unfortunately that's what we thought last season
Very true. I guess I'm just glad that he isn't going to try to wrestle through it again. We saw how that went. Might as well just start rehabbing for next year.
Costello as true frosh while SS has medical RS, then RS Costello in 2019-20 with SS back.
Agree with this, he may take his lumps but he will gain valuable experience to build on. Stoll won't be able to medical RS, he'll just have to hope he is granted a 6th year of eligibility for the 2019-2020 season, or else he'll just have to make his SR year count in 2019.
My gut tells me that the coaching staff will still be trying to recruit an elite heavyweight, Steveson or Schultz. So Costello will likely jump at the opportunity to be in the lineup.
All of this assuming that Costello can beat Holloway out for the spot. If not, then it really doesn't matter whether Holloway or Costello goes next year.
Costello is not close to a high quality D1 HWT. He's a developmental guy, maybe he will be in a few years. I like him but he's not there. I don't see Holloway back at 197, and Costello isn't beating him at HWT. They need to be looking JC or transfer if Sam can't go.
Stoll fits the criteria for the hardship waiver for an additional 6th year. According to the NCAA rulebook he can't have participated in more than 30% of the wrestling teams 17 total competition dates. He competed in 4/17 dates, which equates to 23.5%
"12.8.4 Hardship Waiver. A student-athlete may be granted an additional year of competition by the conference or the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement for reasons of “hardship.” Hardship is defined as an incapacity resulting from an injury or illness that has occurred under all of the following conditions: (Revised: 1/10/92 effective 8/1/92, 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97, 4/26/01 effective 8/1/01, 11/1/01, 4/3/02, 8/8/02, 3/10/04, 5/11/05, 8/4/05, 4/26/07, 9/18/07, 11/1/07 effective 8/1/08, 4/24/08, 7/31/14)
(a) The incapacitating injury or illness occurs in one of the four seasons of intercollegiate competition at any twoyear or four-year collegiate institutions or occurs after the first day of classes in the student-athlete’s senior year in high school;
(b) The injury or illness occurs prior to the first competition of the second half of the playing season that concludes with the NCAA championship in that sport (see Bylaw 12.8.4.3.4) and results in incapacity to compete for the remainder of that playing season;
(c) In team sports, the injury or illness occurs when the student-athlete has not participated in more than three contests or dates of competition (whichever is applicable to that sport) or 30 percent (whichever number is greater) of the institution’s scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition in his or her sport. Only scheduled or completed competition against outside participants during the playing season that concludes with the NCAA championship, or, if so designated, during the official NCAA championship playing season in that sport (e.g., spring baseball, fall soccer), shall be countable under this limitation in calculating both the number of contests or dates of competition in which the student-athlete has participated and the number of scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition during that season in the sport. Dates of competition that are exempted (e.g., alumni contests, foreign team in the United States) from the maximum permissible number of contests or dates of competition shall count toward the number of contests or dates in which the student-athlete has participated and the number of scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition in the season, except for scrimmages and exhibition contests that are specifically identified as such in the sport’s Bylaw 17 playing and practice season regulations. Scrimmages and exhibition contests that are not exempted from the maximum permissible number of contests or dates of competition may be excluded from the calculation only if they are identified as such in the sport’s Bylaw 17 playing and practice season regulations; and
(d) In individual sports, the injury or illness occurs when the student-athlete has not participated in more than three dates of competition or 30 percent (whichever number is greater) of the maximum permissible number of dates of competition as set forth in Bylaw 17 plus one date for a conference championship (e.g., gymnastics: 13+1=14, wrestling: 16+1=17), regardless of whether the team participates in the conference championship, provided the institution is a member of a conference and the conference holds a championship event in the applicable sport. Dates of competition that are exempted per Bylaw 17 (e.g., alumni contests, foreign team in the United States) from the maximum permissible number of dates of competition do not count toward the number of dates in which the student-athlete has participated."
Actually, upon further review, it seems that point B might disqualify Stoll, considering 3 of the competitions occured past the halfway point, unless the halfway point is determined by the 8th/9th competition and not by date.
Oklahoma state was the 9th competition date for the varsity squad on the schedule. Point B seems like a lot of gray area.
I thought the primary criteria for a 6th being the athlete missing a good chunk of at least 2 seasons. I think he would be a lock if he hadn't competed in the postseason last year. He still has a better case than Tshirt. Jason wasn't even academically eligible.
Let's add Erekson, Moore and St. John to that list (although the last two were never confirmed to be injured publicly) and even Kelly.
Far from an expert but I believe this applies to someone trying to gain another year within their 5 year participation window and not someone trying to extend that window to 6.
You're probably right, it doesnt help that trying to find something in the NCAA rules is like trying to find one phrase in a book written in braille.
Penn State has lost Nevills, Cortez, the Altons, Cassar, and several others in the last several years.
Every program deals with injuries, but the programs that win Championships manage to overcome them.
Heck, the year Ohio State won their title they lost their 2nd best wrestler, Hunter Stieber. Plus, Nick Tavanello and had a top recruit who never got healthy in Derick Garcia.
Wrestling is a tough sport.
He tried, but was stuck behind Zain's superior running. Zain can run for 2 periods plus OT.
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