Yea, because being "pro-gun" has worked so well ...Right. Nothing extreme about the anti-gun forces.
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Yea, because being "pro-gun" has worked so well ...Right. Nothing extreme about the anti-gun forces.
But you would have been a kid, so your adult self would have been telling you to shut the fvck up.Which in my opinion is worse. We should have been protesting nukes back in the day
Agree with them or not, think they're vapid or not, most every HS sophomore and above will be eligible to vote in 2020. Will they? Historically, turnout in the 18-24s is low, but Obama got more of them out and for the moment (at least), they seem as politically active as any generation since Vietnam.
They are attacking lawful gun owners, NRA members, and concerned parents and Grandparents who, disagree with their ill-advised solutions, as terrorist and murders,expect some push back.I guess attacking some people that have personally experienced gun violence is a tactic that qualifies as a "bottom of the barrel" response. They have made some very calculated, sensible statements and have offered some reasonable solutions. I suspect there is a middle ground, but the gun advocates are adopting the "they're going to go door to door" to confiscate weapons fear mongering.
FIFYAnd here is the problem. <<<=====
Hell, there was schooling shootings when I was in high school, and we didn't act like we knew what was best.
For the record, as it turns out, this wasn't even the biggest march on Washington in the past year, let alone ever. I don't think they should be belittled, but I don't think their numbers, significance or influence should be inflated, either.Personally, I'm not tired of reading about high school kids caring about what happens in this country. I'm not tired of high school kids playing an integral role in organizing what some have referred to as the largest march in Washington D.C. history.
What am I tired of hearing? The "talking point" that these kids need to quit asking the government to do something and that they should be doing something else to try to help others in need.
First . . . politicians are elected (a.k.a. "hired") to "do something" as part of the government. They are "hired" to represent their constituents and paid to listen to what the citizenry has to say. The First Amendment of the Constitution includes the words "right to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Like it or not, these kids have a grievance. They are airing it in numbers. Large numbers. Historically large numbers. And . . . to translate for the DT Barnum supporters in the audience . . . the numbers were "huge." They were "amazing." Consequently, when I hear guys like Rick Santorum complain about fellow U.S. Citizens demanding action from our elected officials and belittle these high school kids as not doing anything productive . . . I shake my head. When we get to the point where politicians feel compelled to belittle high school student for engaging in an activity which forms the bedrock of our society, there is something wrong.
Second . . . and related to the above point . . . I am sick and tired of hearing politicians - who have no problem taking millions of dollars from lobbyists demanding action on a particular policy or issue - who appear to be offended and bothered by the hundreds of thousands of high school students who are demanding action on a particular issue. Since when do the lobbyists have a monopoly on appealing to the politicians for policy change? (I ask that rhetorically) When I hear folks complain about these high school kids demanding action on guns but don't have any issue with the NRA paying millions of dollars to politicians . . . I shake my head. So freaking stupid.
Your comment had nothing to do with mine, as far as I can tell. That's why I questioned what you were trying to say.Yea. Just as dumb as your comment.
What exactly did you mean by your comment?Your comment had nothing to do with mine, as far as I can tell. That's why I questioned what you were trying to say.
My point was that, just as there are extremists on the pro-gun side, there are extremists on the anti-gun side. Just look at the signs and statements from the rally.What exactly did you mean by your comment?
"Nothing extreme about the anti-gun forces."
For the record, as it turns out, this wasn't even the biggest march on Washington in the past year...
My point is simple: there are those who called for a few basic regulations as it relates to guns and the right (and Obama's admin actually) has done next to nothing. Instead, NRA supporters keep going to the extreme.My point was that, just as there are extremists on the pro-gun side, there are extremists on the anti-gun side. Just look at the signs and statements from the rally.
You said being pro-gun hasn't worked (if I read your sarcasm correctly), which (1) had nothing to do with what I wrote, and (2) isn't correct, anyway; if it were, the anti-gun people wouldn't be having the marches and rallies.
Given the media and ad push from the NRA, I don't think you've chosen a very sympathetic group. The NRA, and it's members in a "guilt by association" stance, have to be willing to compromise. Whether that's more thorough background checks, age limits, or sale of certain weapons...they have not shown any attempt to look for middle ground.They are attacking lawful gun owners, NRA members, and concerned parents and Grandparents who, disagree with their ill-advised solutions, as terrorist and murders,expect some push back.
The crazy thing is, we didn't grow up soft.
But, but, but cars don't drive drunk, people do.But unfortunately the acts of a few have put the spotlight on them. It's no different than a comparison to how DUI laws have become stricter because of bad decisions by a few.
Maybe I am a Boston Celtic's fan. Please, make another assumption. Also, pretty sure there was no fascist dictator in Ireland.
What about the oil companies and the other bigger lobbies. Why pick on just the NRA? Convenience?If this movement is the beginning of getting NRA and other lobbying groups' money out of politicians' pockets, I will be thrilled. The days of politicians acting in THEIR interests, based on bribes, and not the interests of the American people need to end. If these kids move us in that direction, I hope they keep it up.
The kids will have their day.Anyone who's as dismissive as you are is nowhere near as smart as you think you are.
Personally, I'm not tired of reading about high school kids caring about what happens in this country. I'm not tired of high school kids playing an integral role in organizing what some have referred to as the largest march in Washington D.C. history.
What am I tired of hearing? The "talking point" that these kids need to quit asking the government to do something and that they should be doing something else to try to help others in need.
First . . . politicians are elected (a.k.a. "hired") to "do something" as part of the government. They are "hired" to represent their constituents and paid to listen to what the citizenry has to say. The First Amendment of the Constitution includes the words "right to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Like it or not, these kids have a grievance. They are airing it in numbers. Large numbers. Historically large numbers. And . . . to translate for the DT Barnum supporters in the audience . . . the numbers were "huge." They were "amazing." Consequently, when I hear guys like Rick Santorum complain about fellow U.S. Citizens demanding action from our elected officials and belittle these high school kids as not doing anything productive . . . I shake my head. When we get to the point where politicians feel compelled to belittle high school student for engaging in an activity which forms the bedrock of our society, there is something wrong.
Second . . . and related to the above point . . . I am sick and tired of hearing politicians - who have no problem taking millions of dollars from lobbyists demanding action on a particular policy or issue - who appear to be offended and bothered by the hundreds of thousands of high school students who are demanding action on a particular issue. Since when do the lobbyists have a monopoly on appealing to the politicians for policy change? (I ask that rhetorically) When I hear folks complain about these high school kids demanding action on guns but don't have any issue with the NRA paying millions of dollars to politicians . . . I shake my head. So freaking stupid.
Trump supporters have displayed the confederate battle flag at Trump rallies. I'm sure you were outraged.
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What exactly do the kids want?
I think making bump stocks illegal is a good start.
I don’t think we need any long guns that hold more than 5 or 6 rounds. I am all for 21 minimum age to buy gun.
Maybe if kids accepted everybody for who they are and treated everybody how they would like to be treated there wouldn’t be so many shootings.
What about the oil companies and the other bigger lobbies. Why pick on just the NRA? Convenience?
Compromise is a funny word use here. Compromise would suggest give and take. Say gun control proponent want universal back ground checks, gun rights supporters want to de-regulate suppressors. We give you universal checks you give us suppressors, we have compromised.Given the media and ad push from the NRA, I don't think you've chosen a very sympathetic group. The NRA, and it's members in a "guilt by association" stance, have to be willing to compromise. Whether that's more thorough background checks, age limits, or sale of certain weapons...they have not shown any attempt to look for middle ground.
Everyone realizes the vast, vast majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens. But unfortunately the acts of a few have put the spotlight on them. It's no different than a comparison to how DUI laws have become stricter because of bad decisions by a few.
The fear mongers that have pushed the idea that the goal of these protests is total gun confiscation are doing their own a disservice. And the more that they show an unwillingness to compromise... the more extreme the opposing view will become.
Overall, I believe the public sentiment is with the youth at this point.
For the record, as it turns out, this wasn't even the biggest march on Washington in the past year, let alone ever. I don't think they should be belittled, but I don't think their numbers, significance or influence should be inflated, either.
I agree they are right to demand action by their legislators, whether or not I agree with the specific actions they are demanding.
And, as it were, the kids are taking the lead on this, too—albeit via the courts. Picking on oil lobbyists is surely involved: ourchildrenstrust.orgHe did refer to other lobbyists as well.
I will say -- again -- that they should not be belittled. And I have never suggested it wasn't a big crowd. 200,000+ is one hell of a big crowd, one of the biggest of the year in Washington.I, too, have no interest in getting into a DT Barnium debate over size of crowds, etc. That written, when you look at the numbers of young people who participated on Sunday and consider them to be motivated voters . . . politicians would be well advised to not ridicule their efforts.
Your agenda seems rather obvious.Exactly. There is always an agenda.
Did you not read where I said "other lobbying groups"? NRA sounds like a great place to start since they are fighting against people who are trying to stop mass shootings.What about the oil companies and the other bigger lobbies. Why pick on just the NRA? Convenience?
I don't know if I'm sick of it, but I think the significance is being wildly exaggerated -- which was completely predictable.
Hell, there was schooling shootings when I was in high school, and we didn't act like we knew what was best.
How about embracing the kids on the fringe instead of looking for the Gov to solve it for you?
I blame their parents. This generation is soft because of their parents. The crazy thing is, we didn't grow up soft.
yeah, suggesting the parents have authority over their own kids and not the government statist rule- very much trolling
Nobody is fighting against stopping mass shootings. They just have a different opinion of how to do it. When you see a reason I shouldn't own a gun, I see a reason why I need one.Did you not read where I said "other lobbying groups"? NRA sounds like a great place to start since they are fighting against people who are trying to stop mass shootings.
Yep. Insecurity.When you see a reason I shouldn't own a gun, I see a reason why I need one.
Yep. Insecurity.
It's ok. I'm all for you having a gun!