Baking a cake isn't presiding over a wedding ceremony. If they'd asked him to preside, he'd have a clear cut case.
Has he turned down cakes for people who have divorced?
Anyone have an update on the gay wedding cake case at the Supreme Court?
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Baking a cake isn't presiding over a wedding ceremony. If they'd asked him to preside, he'd have a clear cut case.
Has he turned down cakes for people who have divorced?
Guess what, Joe? I'm not a Christian. But I respect the religious beliefs of others, unlike you.
Because "Christians" should be able to make their personal religious beliefs decide "law", bro.
Well, that's the next frontier. Since all the really smart people believe religion is made up silliness, by what standard can we judge which silliness is worthy of constitution protection and which isn't.
I know you already know this, public accommodation is the answer to your questions. A baker knew he was opening a business of public accommodation when he went into business. Printers and sculptors are not usually running a business of public accommodation.Jack Phillips isn't just cranking out Walmart "Summa --- Laude" graduation cakes. Every cake he makes is a custom work of art. Some of his cakes are depicted at the bottom of this post.
I'm still waiting for a reply to my earlier question about making signs and banners for a pro-life rally. While you're crafting your response to that query, ponder this one as well. Suppose you are a sculptor. One day you are contacted by two members of the George W Bush Library in Dallas. They want you to create a bust of former VP Dick Cheney to be displayed in the library.
Should you be forced to do it whether you want to or not? Or should you have the option of saying "no, thank you"?
Well, THAT explains it. Here I'd figured ANY Christian would live by Jesus words "Do Unto Others..."
Seems like singling people out and NOT serving them is precisely what Jesus would NOT do....
So you're ok regulating rural Baker's but not urban. I see no problems with that plan.
Jesus clearly defined marriage as between a man and a woman, for life. We not only have Jesus's teachings, we have other parts of Scripture and 2,000 years of Christian tradition.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+19:4-11&version=NIV
Your "arguments" don't hold any water because you don't know anything about Jesus or Christianity.
The Democratic party is losing me because of their opposition to faith and freedom...
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Not if they wanted to get a custom-made artistic cake. They probably had to choose from one of the dozens (if not hundreds) of other cake artists in the greater Denver metro area.
No, they are not. A “financial transaction” would be two gay guys walk into the bakery, peruse the contents of the display case, choose the one the like, and pay for it and take it home.
This was a case where the happy couple wanted a custom, artistic cake. That is something more than just a “financial transaction”.
And I’m still waiting for your answers regarding the pro-life signs and the bust of Dick Cheney.
It's been explained to you multiple times. You will need to turn to google if you are still at a loss as to the meaning of public accommodation.
The men could have just gone to another one of the 10000 bakeries available to them.
Instead, they are out for blood...
A "public accommodation" means a menu and you choose something.
It does not mean designing a custom-made cake celebrating an unholy union.
What if this guy created a "normal" cake and put a bride and groom on top? Still a problem?
No, that's how you get a cake made my someone who "accidentally" used salt instead of sugar.
Wrong about what? He sells cakes with brides and grooms on top. Take it or leave it.
How is a custom baked cake a “public accommodation” and custom signage isn’t?
Phillips gladly sells baked goods to homosexuals out of his display case. That is public accommodation, a customized cake is not.
By the same token, a print shop would have to allow some pro-lifers to buy card stock and printer cartridges off the shelf but wouldn’t necessarily be required to make customized “ABORTION IS MURDER!” signs.
Why are you pretending? You already know that a business of public accommodation has a set definition that covers most Bakers that serve food but not printers. That's the law.
Here's another thought on the "public accommodation" angle...
Gay newlyweds check into a hotel and state they want the "Gay Honeymoon Suite". The desk clerk replies that they don't have a "gay" honeymoon suite. It's just the "honeymoon" suite. Same thing for gays or straights.
Is that not good enough? Or does the hotelier have to change the name of the suite because it's a public accommodation? Maybe do something about the horrid drapes, too?
Gay newlyweds check into a hotel and state they want the "Gay Honeymoon Suite". The desk clerk replies that they don't have a "gay" honeymoon suite. It's just the "honeymoon" suite. Same thing for gays or straights.
Is that not good enough? Or does the hotelier have to change the name of the suite because it's a public accommodation? Maybe do something about the horrid drapes, too?
You can't legislate morality. But, you can be patient while morality goes its natural way, and help push it along where, and when, you can
That's just nonsense.
The only possible variable would be if the hotel management refused them the honeymoon suite.
No, the Colorado baker would have sold them a cake. Just not a gay cake.
It includes food served for consumption on premises. It does not necessarily include customized cakes for special events.
If the print shop owner didn’t want to have to make signs for things he doesn’t agree with then he shouldn’t have opened a business.
Why don’t you just admit that you think it’s okay to discriminate against people you don’t agree with?
WTH are you talking about. The baker refuses to serve a gay couple... that is discrimination and that is not acceptable. What the hell is a "gay" cake?
Good lord. Read the brief. He offered to sell them a "cake" but would not create a "gay wedding" cake.
A brief (Old French from Latin "brevis", short) is a written legal document used in various legal adversarial systems that is presented to a court arguing why one party to a particular case should prevail.
I didn't write the law, but you're wrong. Because the Baker serves food, the entire operation is covered by public accommodation laws. He could spin off his custom cake business if he wanted so it wasn't covered, but he didn't. The printer was never covered by these laws. This has been explained to you before. I shouldn't be expected to reeducate the board every time this topic appears.
In July 2012, Craig and Mullins visited Masterpiece, a bakery in Lakewood, Colorado, and requested that Phillips design and create a cake to celebrate their same-sex wedding. Phillips declined, telling them that he does not create wedding cakes for same-sex weddings because of his religious beliefs, but advising Craig and Mullins that he would be happy to make and sell them any other baked goods.
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/16-111-op-bel-colo-app.pdf
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/16-111-op-bel-colo-app.pdf
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