So, there was some Ott news. It's a no, but in appeal. Zero communication from the NCAA. Sounds like a healthy process.
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Appears OTT has been told No.....
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Morgan: Ott just wants to know. Can I get an agent? Can I continue to play? He's not with Iowa. Treated as a graduate. Can't participate
That has to be the biggest thing for him. Just let him know. If it is a "No" it is understandable, but it just continues to put him behind as far as signing with an agent, and although he was able to interview with teams, I am sure it would be nice to have an agent in the ears of teams and help inflate him.
Some news today with finding out he was officially told No, then the appeal process with zero communication from the NCAA, what a freaking joke, wouldn't expect anything less from them though. Looks like Iowa won't have him back though, bummer but not surprising.
I don't think it is really news he was told no. They stated before that Big 10 didn't approve it and it was passed on to NCAA. If you look at how the process work in the rules the Big 10 can't approve it and has to deny based on the guidelines. Only chance he had was an appeal to the NCAA.
This is the most we've heard since it began. The fact the BIG spent 3 months on this is what doesn't make sense because he didn't meet their basic rule of not playing in 30% of the games, it should of went right to the NCAA, this is very very odd and a joke.
What I think happened is Big 10 took their time and then said no. Iowa asked them to reconsider, said no again, and then it was passed on to NCAA. It is not surprising that it is taking this long. This is how the conferences and NCAA work.. slowly. They make decisions more complicated than they need to be and just when you think they are going to do the right thing the do the opposite. This is why people say the players need more of a say with the NCAA. Right now they are powerless. There should be a hard and fast deadline for the NCAA to make a decision but the NCAA doesn't care. If I were Ott I would have gotten an attorney and threatened legal action.
I thought I saw Ott saying if didn't hear back by end of next week I think he would obtain an agent and move onto NFL. Joke, since he WANTS to return to school.
Nothing in the Big 10 report suggests that they denied it. In fact, when it was first reported, many people thought the Big 10 approved Ott's appeal and just needed the NCAA to rubber-stamp the decision.
When the Big 10 passed the case onto the NCAA, its statement was plainly neutral. Had the Big 10 actually said no, then moving to the case to the NCAA would have been labeled an appeal; however, it was not called an appeal.
Yeah, I think the NCAA declined it within the past month and we are just finally hearing this today. Now they are not responsive on the appeal process WTF you can't make this sh$t up.
It sounds like it has been denied a few times. They just keep appealing it. Bringing in other cases that they approved that matches his. He is how ever on his last appeal..
Well then people didn't read the rules because Big 10 can't approve.
Reese Morgan:
"......I feel bad for him because it's been denied several times. He has an appeal in again and the process just seems to be extremely frustrating because no one from the NCAA has talked to anybody in this building about it or him, which seems to be unusual"
Yes, yes, the NCAA..... whose officials never miss an opportunity to remind the general public that their highest priority is the welfare of the student-athlete. Idiots.
..... and don't even get me started about the NCAA clearinghouse - a black hole entity that takes more time to issue a ruling on routine academic standing issues than the U.S, Supreme Court uses to deliberate and decide landmark legal cases.
"......I feel bad for him because it's been denied several times. He has an appeal in again and the process just seems to be extremely frustrating because no one from the NCAA has talked to anybody in this building about it or him, which seems to be unusual"
Yes, yes, the NCAA..... whose officials never miss an opportunity to remind the general public that their highest priority is the welfare of the student-athlete. Idiots.
..... and don't even get me started about the NCAA clearinghouse - a black hole entity that takes more time to issue a ruling on routine academic standing issues than the U.S, Supreme Court uses to deliberate and decide landmark legal cases.
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“It comes under a different set of review because it’s beyond the 30 percent,” Iowa Athletics Director Gary Barta told The Gazette in early March. “But there have been others across the country who have achieved this, which is one of the reasons we continue to be optimistic until there are no more appeals.
“The decision making body is the NCAA — not the Big Ten — when it goes over the 30 percent. Really, the Big Ten makes a recommendation for the NCAA to hear it, and it’s passed that hurdle. Now the decision is the NCAA’s whether or not to grant it.”
Based on what I've read/heard, I don't think the BiG denied it.
My understanding is that the conference has the authority to deny a waiver, but not the authority to grant it. That would make sense, as it would leave the ultimate decision where it belongs, which is with the NCAA.
For anyone who disagrees with that last sentence, ask yourself whether you'd like the SEC to have the final authority on eligibility of its athletes.
I think the conference declined to deny the waiver, allowing it to go to the NCAA for a decision. Not quite the same as approving it, but obviously the league was OK with it if the NCAA was.
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NCAA is so infuriating with their LAMEBRAIN decisions.
If Ohio, or Michigan or Free Shoes Univ, or the U was asking, he'd be back
NCAA is so infuriating with their LAMEBRAIN decisions.
If Ohio, or Michigan or Free Shoes Univ, or the U was asking, he'd be back
That's too bad for Ott but at least they finally came out with a decision. I have no problem with the ruling BUT I will partake in hell raising if the NCAA allows a 5th year to someone with the same situation as Ott in the future
Just out of spite? I'd be happy that they finally made the right decision, one they should have made this time.
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Players with less of a case than Ott have been given 6th years. Ott didn't red shirt, he had almost no significant impact on last year's Iowa season, so it's pretty clear Ott's appeal should be granted. I'd say the same no matter who the player was or what school he attended. Fair is fair.
The NCAA shouldn't be allowed to toy with student-athletes like this. It's just not right.
The NCAA shouldn't be allowed to toy with student-athletes like this. It's just not right.
It'seems a shame. A kid who gives his all and tries to play hurt is punished for it. Others who would have been me oriented and worried about the bucks would have sat out and been rewarded with another season.
Thanks Drew for loving Iowa and good luck in the draft process. When you're healthy we know you'll shine. Go get 'em.
Thanks Drew for loving Iowa and good luck in the draft process. When you're healthy we know you'll shine. Go get 'em.
You definitely could make an argument that he won us the B1G West last year. He came up huge in the Wisconsin game, his strip sack led directly to points. Lose that one and we aren't playing in Indy or Pasadena
Nope. Both teams would have been 7-1 in the B1G, with Wisky having the head-to-head tiebreaker. NW was 6-2.
While it's true to say that the Big 10 did not have final authority, the point I was making is that the Big 10 didn't deny Ott's application for a 5th year. When they passed the case to the NCAA, they could have done one of three options:
(1) "Approve" Ott's application and ask that the NCAA uphold the decision.
(2) Remain neutral and pass onto the NCAA for review.
(3) Deny Ott's application, but grant Ott an appeal to the NCAA.
(2) Remain neutral and pass onto the NCAA for review.
(3) Deny Ott's application, but grant Ott an appeal to the NCAA.
From everything I've read, it looks like the Big 10 selected option #2. There were some that tried to read between the lines and thought that if the Big 10 didn't deny Ott's application, they must have "approved" it and sent it to the NCAA for final review.
They are to busy adding more bowl games so 1 and 2 win teams can be added.
As somebody that has no 'skin in the game' and doesn't know if he should be given another year or not, this is bullshit. Jacking a kid around like this is shitty. Just give him a decision, either way. Flipping a coin is a better procedure that this.
Since Ott played in 6 games this season, what would make anyone think he should get an extra year?
It doesn't surprise me that the NCAA denied his request multiple times already.
I will agree, if the NCAA has an appeal process in place, then responding a little sooner is needed as I can't imagine they need any additional information to deny it again.
It doesn't surprise me that the NCAA denied his request multiple times already.
I will agree, if the NCAA has an appeal process in place, then responding a little sooner is needed as I can't imagine they need any additional information to deny it again.
From what I call tell some people feel that the games he wasn't playing at full strength or didn't play for four quarters shouldn't count.
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And there is a strong case for that. Playing with a destroyed elbow partially in several than blows out his knee in game 6. Played 3 games on special teams is Freshman year, he most certainly deserves a 5th year.
Time for an overhaul at the NCAA. The organization needs an infusion of new blood. This whole Ott situation is beyond sanity.
He continued to play with the elbow injury definitely not at full strength but he did play. The knee injury was what ended his season in game 6. I feel for Ott he was a fun player to watch but I doubt he gets another year. On a side note: I despise that way the NCAA has handle this case. However there are young people living under a bridge, not knowing were their next meal is coming from, so life can be a lot worse.
Looks like he saw more action then just Special teams his Freshman year: 2012 - - Did not see action in first seven games . . . played in final five games, recording one solo tackle, two assists and one pass break-up . . . saw first action of career in 28-17 loss at Northwestern, but had no statistics . . . saw action in 24-21 loss at Indiana, recording one assisted tackle . . . saw action in 27-24 loss to Purdue, recording one assisted tackle and one pass break-up . . . saw action in 42-17 loss at Michigan, recording one solo tackle . . . saw action in 13-7 loss to Nebraska, but had no statistics.
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It stinks, but he still played in 6 games regardless of his condition. He was still racking up sacks and playing well, so it is meaningless on how he felt.
Also, per his bio it looks like he played in the final 5 games during this freshman year.
http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/drew_ott_810172.html
The NCAA has its faults, but their criteria for a medical redshirt is participation of 30% of the games...which 4 games is 29% (of 14 games played). Ott played in 6, which is 2 more than the allowable games. If you only include the 12 regular season games, the that's 3 more that allowed.
Are there any other cases where a player gets a medical redshirt year after playing in 6 games for a season?
Also, I am not against Ott or Iowa, I just don't understand the argument.
Also, per his bio it looks like he played in the final 5 games during this freshman year.
http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/drew_ott_810172.html
The NCAA has its faults, but their criteria for a medical redshirt is participation of 30% of the games...which 4 games is 29% (of 14 games played). Ott played in 6, which is 2 more than the allowable games. If you only include the 12 regular season games, the that's 3 more that allowed.
Are there any other cases where a player gets a medical redshirt year after playing in 6 games for a season?
Also, I am not against Ott or Iowa, I just don't understand the argument.
I'm not sure if they count bowl games, does anyone know ? My feeling is they shouldn't count Bowl games or Conference Championship games. My reason why is that percentage wise it gives a unfair advantage to players playing for a school like Bama or OSU.
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As great as it would be to have him back, he doesn't meet criteria.
The NCAA taking this long to render a decision is ridiculously stupid.
Not surprising, because it's the NCAA. But still ridiculously stupid nonetheless.
The NCAA taking this long to render a decision is ridiculously stupid.
Not surprising, because it's the NCAA. But still ridiculously stupid nonetheless.
I have not really paid much attention to this as I assumed he wouldn't get a 5th year.
However, hasn't he been given an answer in a timely fashion. That answer was no. So he appealed. Stands to reason the NCAA is probably going through old cases to see if there is precedence for a guy who has played more than 30% of his games considering he played in more than 30% his freshman year as well.
Ott isn't going to be participating in Spring Training regardless if the NCAA said yes a month ago. Plus I don't think he's going to be drafted. He will definitely get a FA pickup somewhere but his knee is a concern and since he didn't participate in drills at the combine he was an outside shot to get drafted IMO.
Granted he probably wants to hire an agent but not sure it's going to make much difference for him. He was a lock to be drafted at game 6. I don't see it with that knee injury lingering.
Either way, best of luck to Drew in the future in whatever the NCAA decides.
However, hasn't he been given an answer in a timely fashion. That answer was no. So he appealed. Stands to reason the NCAA is probably going through old cases to see if there is precedence for a guy who has played more than 30% of his games considering he played in more than 30% his freshman year as well.
Ott isn't going to be participating in Spring Training regardless if the NCAA said yes a month ago. Plus I don't think he's going to be drafted. He will definitely get a FA pickup somewhere but his knee is a concern and since he didn't participate in drills at the combine he was an outside shot to get drafted IMO.
Granted he probably wants to hire an agent but not sure it's going to make much difference for him. He was a lock to be drafted at game 6. I don't see it with that knee injury lingering.
Either way, best of luck to Drew in the future in whatever the NCAA decides.
