I can picture Bo spit-speaking the word Stupid. And it makes me smile.
He’s right. It was a stupid decision. But that stupid decision was the result of a more stupid decision to allow the initial challenge during the match in question.
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I can picture Bo spit-speaking the word Stupid. And it makes me smile.
Must not have been sitting in a chair.Fortunately all Carl threw was the brick.
Arbitration is not ideal, but one guy earned it by the rules and because of that, he shouldn't be eliminated from a spot he rightfully earned. A completely wrong decision reversed through Arbitration is, imo, far better than crowning the wrong guy as the champ. (which is not to say arbitration is always right either). In this case, it worked out pretty good.I believe I was on the record suggesting that re-wrestling the match might make sense. Where I agree with Nickal and Joseph, though, is that we never want to see match outcomes decided in court/arbitration. I believe a great majority of us want it decided on the mat, even if it is the official deciding it. Stick with the on-mat/matside decision and, if it is determined at a later time that there was egregious error, discipline the official(s).
Which is exactly what we are going to get now that the arbitrator sided with Yianni.
I wouldn’t be angry if this happened to a Hawk because the other wrestler clearly won the match. It’s unimaginable that this occurred in the first place. I thought this type of thing only happened in Russia!Can’t really argue with Neo’s logic. This did not set a precedent as it’s happened before and will probably happen again. I would be pissed if Zain were a former Hawk but I don’t have a dog in this hunt...I’ll be rooting for whoever wins.
For the record, Drew Pearson most definitely DID push off on Nate Wright. Still in my craw all these years later.
I suppose your thoughts were tongue in cheek, but if not, I guess I don't see that scenario as even being remotely possible for a NCAA finals match. The challenge has to happen right away, which would key everyone with a brain, in to the potential effects to team scoring, if the challenge is upheld, whatever wrestling still has to happen, would occur before either guy left the mat. If not, the decision what will happen would come within days. If you know you may have to rewrestle part, or all of a match, and get 20 pounds over, that is on you.I'm good with the best wrestler representing the USA. Yanni is other wordly... But I'm not fine with courts making the deciding. This sucks that a court several months later decides the winner. Should have been determined right there ...that day. If it was opposite and Zain petitioned courts...I'd feel the same way. Whatever it takes.....GET the courts out of sports.
Imagine it happening during game 7 of the World Series of a strike 3 call that was actually a ball...or if your Canadian..the last match for the Canadian Curling Championship.
Imagine this...wrestler A wins the National Championship and puts his team ahead by 2 points, which is all it takes to win the Team National Championships. Wrestler B petitions the courts and 2 months later they negate the match for whatever reason (right or wrong). Now we don't have a National Champion at a weight and no team champion yet....2 Months later. Now both wrestlers are now walking around 20 pounds over weight and have to start cutting. Since both wrestler A and wrestler B need time heal (weight issue) and both want to wrestle in Spain as a warm up....we set the wrestle off for August. For the March National Championship team and individual at that weight.
I'm good with the best wrestler representing the USA. Yanni is other wordly... But I'm not fine with courts making the deciding. This sucks that a court several months later decides the winner. Should have been determined right there ...that day. If it was opposite and Zain petitioned courts...I'd feel the same way. Whatever it takes.....GET the courts out of sports.
Imagine it happening during game 7 of the World Series of a strike 3 call that was actually a ball...or if your Canadian..the last match for the Canadian Curling Championship.
Imagine this...wrestler A wins the National Championship and puts his team ahead by 2 points, which is all it takes to win the Team National Championships. Wrestler B petitions the courts and 2 months later they negate the match for whatever reason (right or wrong). Now we don't have a National Champion at a weight and no team champion yet....2 Months later. Now both wrestlers are now walking around 20 pounds over weight and have to start cutting. Since both wrestler A and wrestler B need time heal (weight issue) and both want to wrestle in Spain as a warm up....we set the wrestle off for August. For the March National Championship team and individual at that weight.
Imagine this... the deciding match to represent the USA at the world championships ends and red is the winner. Wait, blue’s coach throws the bricks. Referees review an exchange from the first period and change the call. Now blue is the winner. Sorry red...I'm good with the best wrestler representing the USA. Yanni is other wordly... But I'm not fine with courts making the deciding. This sucks that a court several months later decides the winner. Should have been determined right there ...that day. If it was opposite and Zain petitioned courts...I'd feel the same way. Whatever it takes.....GET the courts out of sports.
Imagine it happening during game 7 of the World Series of a strike 3 call that was actually a ball...or if your Canadian..the last match for the Canadian Curling Championship.
Imagine this...wrestler A wins the National Championship and puts his team ahead by 2 points, which is all it takes to win the Team National Championships. Wrestler B petitions the courts and 2 months later they negate the match for whatever reason (right or wrong). Now we don't have a National Champion at a weight and no team champion yet....2 Months later. Now both wrestlers are now walking around 20 pounds over weight and have to start cutting. Since both wrestler A and wrestler B need time heal (weight issue) and both want to wrestle in Spain as a warm up....we set the wrestle off for August. For the March National Championship team and individual at that weight.
Precisely. Now I’ll sit back and watch more PSU fans make nonsensical whiny posts. Please proceed, it’s making my entire weekend...lolImagine this... the deciding match to represent the USA at the world championships ends and red is the winner. Wait, blue’s coach throws the bricks. Referees review an exchange from the first period and change the call. Now blue is the winner. Sorry red...
This is what could happen in a place where there is no rule of law or way to adjudicate an injustice. Thankfully the US of A is not one of those places.
They need to get rid of the rule that returning medalist sits atop and awaits winner of us open. A lot changes in a year. Look at Dieringer and Fix. In one year they closed the gap or avenged previous losses. If they do away with that rule, nobody will have a problem with Yianni wrestling in Zain's place if he really is injured.
This is the rule PSU wrestlers should really complain about.
Worse than Jackie Smith??Still one of the most painful memories from my childhood that still haunts me!
I never said Gilman had a bye. Gilman beat Fix last year handily. This year he lost to Fix. One year. Dieringer got teched by Dake a year or so ago, and is a point or two inferior now. A lot can change in a year, and without everyone running through the same tournament, we are advantaging someone for their accomplishments perhaps a year ago. We may not be sending our best guys on internationally with the advantage.Gilman didn't have a bye. Dake torched the whole world and won gold. He deserves a bye IMO.
Dieringer torched the world too ....Gilman didn't have a bye. Dake torched the whole world and won gold. He deserves a bye IMO.
I never said Gilman had a bye. Gilman beat Fix last year handily. This year he lost to Fix. One year. Dieringer got teched by Dake a year or so ago, and is a point or two inferior now. A lot can change in a year, and without everyone running through the same tournament, we are advantaging someone for their accomplishments perhaps a year ago. We may not be sending our best guys on internationally with the advantage.
The good side is that we are protecting the health of our returning world medalists.
The original Hail Mary pass I believe! Worst day of my life at that time [I was 12] and yes he ABSOLUTELY pushed off! Still hate the cowboys because of that play!For the record, Drew Pearson most definitely DID push off on Nate Wright. Still in my craw all these years later.
Wow. I actually like Vincenzo from interviews and podcasts hes been on, but if he cant see the vast difference between his Fargo match and a Final X best of 3 match he is an absolute idiot. What a dumb comparison.
Wow. I actually like Vincenzo from interviews and podcasts hes been on, but if he cant see the vast difference between his Fargo match and a Final X best of 3 match he is an absolute idiot. What a dumb comparison.
Thats good humor? Vincenzo knows good humor and no one was in stitches or even slightly giggling over his comparison I am sure. I could see a Cornell wrestler responding with that quote in irony to show how this is obviously a much bigger deal now and not the same at all, but for Vincenzo to say it in humor doesnt really make sense unless he is making fun of Bo. Am I missing something here?Don't worry, man, he knows the difference. He saw an opportunity to make a joke while backing his guy and went for it. Good humor requires only a grain of truth . . .
I love the PSU guys once they graduate. LolAt the end of the day I believe we all want both wrestlers to be given a fair shot at winning and in my opinion that didn't happen. I would like to believe that no matter who is wrestling! I am actually a fan of Zain and have nothing against his teammates sticking up for their guy, but I think this is the correct outcome. Although I am ok with these guys I still can't stand PSU fwiw!!
Thats good humor? Vincenzo knows good humor and no one was in stitches or even slightly giggling over his comparison I am sure. I could see a Cornell wrestler responding with that quote in irony to show how this is obviously a much bigger deal now and not the same at all, but for Vincenzo to say it in humor doesnt really make sense unless he is making fun of Bo. Am I missing something here?
Can’t really argue with Neo’s logic. This did not set a precedent as it’s happened before and will probably happen again. I would be pissed if Zain were a former Hawk but I don’t have a dog in this hunt...I’ll be rooting for whoever wins.
I don't have a dog in this fight either but I'm happy with the fair outcome.
Chief - didn't Zain "win" in this ruling? The Arbiter, ruled that the match is void. Therefore, I interpret that as Yianni should've won the match but not for an "untimely" and/or unallowable challenge that flipped the score. Alternatively stated, Zain should've lost and and the series should probably be 1-1. I think that is a "win" for Zain.
I don't have a dog in this fight either but I'm happy with the fair outcome.