Are Iowa teams double-handedly destroying the playoff picture?

[Lone Clone]

Semi-serious about this.

Clones put a big dent in the hopes of OU and TCU, while the Hawks probably knocked tOSU out of the picture and may well tarnish the Wisky shine (which a lot of people think isn't all that bright, considering their schedule).

Probably be four SEC teams.

 

[WhoaNellieCy]

Semi-serious about this.

Clones put a big dent in the hopes of OU and TCU, while the Hawks probably knocked tOSU out of the picture and may well tarnish the Wisky shine (which a lot of people think isn't all that bright, considering their schedule).

Probably be four SEC teams.

Ya amazing, beat 3 (almost 4) top 5 teams.

 

[Hawkfan_08]

I still think TCU is not that great but were undefeated and deserved their ranking. Oklahoma is still in the running but their defense is not fantastic.

 

[kceasthawk]

Ya amazing, beat 3 (almost 4) top 5 teams.

Yep, but I think it shows that there really isn't as big a seperation in these teams as people think.

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

Alabama.

Everyone else.

Even if Wisconsin was to go undefeated, I think their schedule keeps them out of the CFP. An Iowa win next Saturday makes the conversation moot.

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

Probably be four SEC teams.

Lol.

 

[CradleKing26]

There is a good chance that both will keep their conference out of the CFP. I could see ND/Clemson winning out, and as long as Georgia looks respectable losing to Alabama in the SEC title game, Oklahoma is out.

I don't see Wisconsin winning in the B1G title game, and a one loss Wisconsin won't get in if their best win is Iowa/Michigan.

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

If Iowa were to beat the Badgers next week it might eliminate the B1G from consideration. That's the bad news for the B1G. The good news is it would help in the bowl matchups.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

If wiscy goes unbeaten, including the B1G, title game, they will be in the playoffs. No way does a 13-0 B1G team get left out.
OTOH, if the Hawks knock them off then I think the B1G is shut out this year. Even if they win out from there.

 

[Lone Clone]

I still think TCU is not that great but were undefeated and deserved their ranking. Oklahoma is still in the running but their defense is not fantastic.

I tend to think TCU would win more than half the time if they played OU a few times....but OU can outscore anybody if Mayfield is having a good day (which is what he usually has).

Oklahoma's secondary sucks. That's why ISU was able to beat them. TCU has a good defense and a lot of speed everywhere.

Somebody's post here implied (or I thought it did) that it would be a good thing for the bowl lineup if the BiG and Big XII weren't in the playoff. Purely from self-interest, I'd say the opposite is true. If the conference champion doesn't get in, that bumps everybody else down in the bowl pecking order.

 

[naturalmwa]

I tend to think TCU would win more than half the time if they played OU a few times....but OU can outscore anybody if Mayfield is having a good day (which is what he usually has).

Oklahoma's secondary sucks. That's why ISU was able to beat them. TCU has a good defense and a lot of speed everywhere.

Somebody's post here implied (or I thought it did) that it would be a good thing for the bowl lineup if the BiG and Big XII weren't in the playoff. Purely from self-interest, I'd say the opposite is true. If the conference champion doesn't get in, that bumps everybody else down in the bowl pecking order.

I think the logic here is by missing the playoffs, the best big ten teams are more likely to face weaker competition in bowls.

 

[thrillpac]

If wiscy goes unbeaten, including the B1G, title game, they will be in the playoffs. No way does a 13-0 B1G team get left out.
OTOH, if the Hawks knock them off then I think the B1G is shut out this year. Even if they win out from there.

Absolutely. This is no different than Iowa 2 years ago. 13-0 = playoffs. Having said that, I hope Iowa beats wiscy next weekend. I don't give a dang if the BIG is represented in the playoffs or not. I would MUCH rather have Iowa with the big W over the sconnies.

 

[Lone Clone]

I think the logic here is by missing the playoffs, the best big ten teams are more likely to face weaker competition in bowls.

Got it. He/she was thinking of the conference; I was thinking of our local teams.

 

[Eternal Return]

If Iowa were to beat the Badgers next week it might eliminate the B1G from consideration. That's the bad news for the B1G. The good news is it would help in the bowl matchups.

That would be good for the B10 West. Unless Iowa is in the conversation for the CFP I don't give a crap about whether the other B10 teams get into the CFP. I want Iowa to win and ruin Wisconsin's shot at the CFP. If Iowa can't win the B10 West and get to the CCG, I want them to spoil everyone else's party.

 

[Joes Place]

Semi-serious about this.

Clones put a big dent in the hopes of OU and TCU, while the Hawks probably knocked tOSU out of the picture and may well tarnish the Wisky shine (which a lot of people think isn't all that bright, considering their schedule).

Yep.

Probably be four SEC teams.

Ugh. Hopefully not.

Right now, Alabama, Miami, ND and OK look like they have the inside tracks. Only OK of that group doesn't make me throw up in my mouth a little bit....

 

[Pepperman]

A few things:

1) A 13-0 Wisconsin gets in. I'm still amazed how many people claim to be college football fans that do not get this. A 13-0 B1G team (or *ANY P5 UNDEFEATED) will always make the playoff.

2) Doesn't Alabama have a terrible schedule as of now? I know, the mighty SEC and all of that, but I'm pretty sure they have a weak SOS although for all I know the LSU game and the coming Auburn and Georgia games will give them a big boost.

3) While I thought the B12 was out a couple weeks ago, I now see a way that either OU or TCU makes it in. I suppose you'd have to have ND lose again and then Miami would have to lose again as well for this to happen. Not sure of all of the "ifs/thens" in my scenarios though... Clemson probably becomes a problem.

 

[Lone Clone]

Yep.


Ugh. Hopefully not.

Right now, Alabama, Miami, ND and OK look like they have the inside tracks. Only OK of that group doesn't make me throw up in my mouth a little bit....

If I had to bet, I'd bet TCU beats the Boomers. But I wouldn't bet much.

 

[DodgerHawki]

A few things:

1) A 13-0 Wisconsin gets in. I'm still amazed how many people claim to be college football fans that do not get this. A 13-0 B1G team (or *ANY P5 UNDEFEATED) will always make the playoff.

2) Doesn't Alabama have a terrible schedule as of now? I know, the mighty SEC and all of that, but I'm pretty sure they have a weak SOS although for all I know the LSU game and the coming Auburn and Georgia games will give them a big boost.

3) While I thought the B12 was out a couple weeks ago, I now see a way that either OU or TCU makes it in. I suppose you'd have to have ND lose again and then Miami would have to lose again as well for this to happen. Not sure of all of the "ifs/thens" in my scenarios though... Clemson probably becomes a problem.

I would agree with these. An undefeated P5 conference team will get in. Always and always. Wisconsin's schedule has been pillow soft, but if they went 13-0 that would include wins over Northwestern (likely 8 or 9-win team), Iowa, Michigan and then against one of OSU/PSU/MSU in the title game.
Alabama's schedule hasn't been great, but they did clock FSU and have games against Missisippi State and Auburn coming up. They likely are still in if they lose 1 and win the SEC title game.
OU or TCU still have a path, although they need help. If OSU keeps losing, that hurts Oklahoma as that win in Columbus looks not as good. It would help OU if Iowa State kept winning.

 

[HerkysDad]

It is Iowa’s job to help the CFP decision makers by beating Wisky next Saturday!

 

[SDHawkDoc]

wiscy's scheduled has been incredibly weak to date. The only team of any quality they've played so far(jnw) kept it within 10 points.
But, Iowa's schedule in 2015 was in the same ballpark as far as being unimpressive and they sure as hell would have been in the playoffs if they would have beaten sparty in the champ game.
Even if Iowa doesn't get the job done in Madison, I'm not convinced wiscy necessarily gets by scUM let alone beating whoever they would have to face from the east in the B1G champ game. If they do, though, they will certainly take one of the playoff spots.

 

[El Simbolo]

I just hope the B12 championship game costs the conference a spot in the playoff. Either ISU gets in it and pulls the upset again, or whoever loses this weeks OU-TCU game wins the rematch.

So unnecessary and unfair to have a CCG when you play a full round robin.

 

[MeetTheFerentz]

I hope Iowa beats wiscy next weekend. I don't give a dang if the BIG is represented in the playoffs or not. I would MUCH rather have Iowa with the big W over the sconnies.

I totally agree. The B1G's last two playoff appearances were a disaster. There are going to be years when the conference just doesn't have a title contender; I think this is one of those years.

Going back to the original subject, it very well could be that Iowa and Iowa St each beat the two participants in their respective conference's championship game. It's pretty amazing for that feat to occur at all, much less twice in the same season, and much less by two teams from the same, relatively small State.

 

[naturalmwa]

Yep.


Ugh. Hopefully not.

Right now, Alabama, Miami, ND and OK look like they have the inside tracks. Only OK of that group doesn't make me throw up in my mouth a little bit....

ND and Miami play this Saturday, that should open a slot.

 

[KujawaFan]

I have said before. I want 8. 5 Power 5 champs and 3 at large. This year will make it happen. It projects to be 2 SEC teams and ND. So 1 spot for the Big 10, Big 12, PAC 12 and ACC to compete for. Play it out. Well PAC 12 is out. What if Wisconsin is undefeated with weak schedule, Clemson with 1 loss, and OU 1 loss? Insanity especially since ND has a loss and won't join a conference yet they are in if they win out.

 

[KujawaFan]

I have said before. I want 8. 5 Power 5 champs and 3 at large. This year will make it happen. It projects to be 2 SEC teams and ND. So 1 spot for the Big 10, Big 12, PAC 12 and ACC to compete for. Play it out. Well PAC 12 is out. What if Wisconsin is undefeated with weak schedule, Clemson with 1 loss, and OU 1 loss? Insanity especially since ND has a loss and won't join a conference yet they are in if they win out.

 

[Lone Clone]

I would agree with these. An undefeated P5 conference team will get in. Always and always. Wisconsin's schedule has been pillow soft, but if they went 13-0 that would include wins over Northwestern (likely 8 or 9-win team), Iowa, Michigan and then against one of OSU/PSU/MSU in the title game.
Alabama's schedule hasn't been great, but they did clock FSU and have games against Missisippi State and Auburn coming up. They likely are still in if they lose 1 and win the SEC title game.
OU or TCU still have a path, although they need help. If OSU keeps losing, that hurts Oklahoma as that win in Columbus looks not as good. It would help OU if Iowa State kept winning.

If OU wins out -- which probably means beating TCU twice -- do you think the Boomers would get shunned in favor of an undefeated Wisconsin team?

 

[Uwe.Blab]

If OU wins out -- which probably means beating TCU twice -- do you think the Boomers would get shunned in favor of an undefeated Wisconsin team?

yes. but I do not think Wiscy will run the table.

 

[DodgerHawki]

If OU wins out -- which probably means beating TCU twice -- do you think the Boomers would get shunned in favor of an undefeated Wisconsin team?

I do, as it would mean Wisconsin would have beaten OSU most likely or PSU. Just my opinion, but the committee will put an emphasis on winning all your games. I have been known to be wrong though.

 

[KujawaFan]

My opinion is Delaney has the biggest swinging dick. There is no way an undefeated Big 10 team gets left out when by definition 3 of the 4 participants would have a loss. Georgia or Alabama has a loss, ND loss, Clemson loss and Okie loss. I guess Miami could run it. But then they and Wisconsin would both be in I would guess.

 

[Win5002]

I have said before. I want 8. 5 Power 5 champs and 3 at large. This year will make it happen. It projects to be 2 SEC teams and ND. So 1 spot for the Big 10, Big 12, PAC 12 and ACC to compete for. Play it out. Well PAC 12 is out. What if Wisconsin is undefeated with weak schedule, Clemson with 1 loss, and OU 1 loss? Insanity especially since ND has a loss and won't join a conference yet they are in if they win out.

I want a number that doesn't require human selection and a committee among P5 teams, unless you get to the point where you have 16 or more. 4 or 8 is too few teams to have a committee end up being biased towards teams from certain conferences or teams that garner certain ratings. The best way eventually is expanded conference playoffs and the CFP is made up of the 4 champs if we get to where we only have 4 leagues.

I could go for 6 all P5 champs(that way everyone plays their way in on the field), and then let the highest 2 rated G5 teams play a play in game to replace their individual CCG's. The only selection would be the two G5's and that is a lot more access than they have ever had. Obviously the highest 2 seeded teams get a bye.

If you have committees picking 4 at large teams you get the same crap you do with the 4 in the CFP.

 

[Dauminator]

Alabama.

Everyone else.

Even if Wisconsin was to go undefeated, I think their schedule keeps them out of the CFP. An Iowa win next Saturday makes the conversation moot.

I'm not convinced by Bama yet. They haven't played much of anyone-although they were the ones to derail FSU's season by knocking out their QB. They're probably good but we don't know yet.

And I think WI's schedule this year is worse than Iowa's in 15. But they'll have their chance starting this week.

 

[kceasthawk]

A few things:

1) A 13-0 Wisconsin gets in. I'm still amazed how many people claim to be college football fans that do not get this. A 13-0 B1G team (or *ANY P5 UNDEFEATED) will always make the playoff.

2) Doesn't Alabama have a terrible schedule as of now? I know, the mighty SEC and all of that, but I'm pretty sure they have a weak SOS although for all I know the LSU game and the coming Auburn and Georgia games will give them a big boost.

3) While I thought the B12 was out a couple weeks ago, I now see a way that either OU or TCU makes it in. I suppose you'd have to have ND lose again and then Miami would have to lose again as well for this to happen. Not sure of all of the "ifs/thens" in my scenarios though... Clemson probably becomes a problem.

Yea, on the college football final show Sunday, Finebaum and his SEC boys said that even undefeated, Wisky doesn't get in because they'll play a two loss team in the BIG championship game. I call BULL on that as well. If Wisconsin is 13-0 and BIG champs, and they don't get in, Delaney goes postal on the committee, and thats the end of the 4 team playoff. You have to remember who the money players are here. The SEC or BIG will not be kept out of the four teams with an undefeated champion.

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

I'm not convinced by Bama yet. They haven't played much of anyone-although they were the ones to derail FSU's season by knocking out their QB. They're probably good but we don't know yet.

And I think WI's schedule this year is worse than Iowa's in 15. But they'll have their chance starting this week.

I am willing to say they are good and the best team in the nation. They are probably better than they were last year, and there is no Clemson-like team this year who can compete with them. Bama's about as sure of a thing as it gets in sports, but we'll see how it all unfolds at the end.

Agreed that Wisconsin's schedule is worse than Iowa's in 2015.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

I've been on record multiple times in favor of a 16 team playoff.
FCS( I-AA to those of us that remember it)has been doing it for years.
The worthless bowls will remain as worthless as they are now; no change there. The traditional "big time" bowls can be incorporated into the semis of the playoff system.
It will never happen though because what makes sense to the NCAA is making money, and they don't have any incentive to take their money making machine that is college football and do something radical like that with it.
I firmly believe that if the NCAA would have been shown previously that the most financially profitable position for them would be to have 4 teams picked from national polls and or committees to play for the title that is what we would have instead of the greatest sporting event there is, "March Madness".

 

[hawkfeever]

Imagine the national interest and added $$$$$ if the playoff were 12 or 16 teams. Lots of teams would still be in with 3 left in regular season and conference championships to follow.

 

[Eternal Return]

I don't know about the sixteen team playoffs. So far, even four teams seems like plenty. If they played a 16-team playoff then the final two teams will end up playing 17 games in one year. Unless you are going to pay college players top dollar why would any top-level NFL-caliber talent be willing to risk injury by playing in so many games? I'll bet Jake Butt wishes he had sat out the single bowl game. If we thought it was bad last year with McCaffery and Fournette sitting out a single bowl game (not even the CFP; plus they were drafted 8th and 4th overall), it'd be exponentially worse with a 16-game playoff. Are you really going to find out who the best team in college football is if Barkley, Darnold, Hurts, Mayfield, and others decide to sit out the post season?

It's one thing to play 2 extra games for the chance of a national championship, but 4 games? No way. No way I'd take that chance with all the money waiting for me at the next level. The winner of the CFP would be tainted: "Yeah, you beat Alabama, but Hurts, Scarborough, and Ridley decided not to play." There wouldn't be any legitimacy. A four-team playoff is fine.

 

[SpartanHawk]

wiscy's scheduled has been incredibly weak to date. The only team of any quality they've played so far(jnw) kept it within 10 points.
But, Iowa's schedule in 2015 was in the same ballpark as far as being unimpressive and they sure as hell would have been in the playoffs if they would have beaten sparty in the champ game.
Even if Iowa doesn't get the job done in Madison, I'm not convinced wiscy necessarily gets by scUM let alone beating whoever they would have to face from the east in the B1G champ game. If they do, though, they will certainly take one of the playoff spots.

I think that if Iowa beats Wisconsin this weekend, and keeps the B1G out of the playoffs, I think perhaps one effect of that might be that the B1G revises how they do the scheduling process to provide more balance in the crossover matchups in the schedules in subsequent years. Had Iowa had even one less close loss to the likes of Michigan State and Penn State in their other two matchups, they would have a pretty high ranking now (especially with a win over ISU as well now). But with the way it was stacked against Iowa to have even a 2-1 record that they might have had with more balance in their cross division matchups, it not only would have Iowa have a more accurate national ranking of their team without having to worry about whether the system penalizes them for a tough schedule, it would help teams like Ohio State who lose to them who shouldn't look at this loss by voters who would rate Iowa lower based on their record (not accounting for the tough schedule), so that this loss wouldn't hurt them so much, as it likely will.

Ironic for Wisconsin that their poor schedule is hurting them so much this year, when last year they had one of the more brutal schedules too.

When our rating systems don't tolerate tough schedules to rate who deserves to be in a small playoff system, everyone gets hurt, not just the teams that have tough schedules.

 

[Dauminator]

I am willing to say they are good and the best team in the nation. They are probably better than they were last year, and there is no Clemson-like team this year who can compete with them. Bama's about as sure of a thing as it gets in sports, but we'll see how it all unfolds at the end.

Agreed that Wisconsin's schedule is worse than Iowa's in 2015.

I'd say Georgia, but you're right in that, as much as Bama may not have really proven themselves, everyone else is flawed, too.

 

[RogerKint]

Too bad for Wisconsin. Utah St and BYU have been successful in the past, but both programs are down a bit. They schedule these games years in advance.

 

[illhawkdvv]

I don't want to see ND in the playoffs for the simple reason they won't have to win a conference championship. While the rest of the top rated teams will be playing championship games the Irish will be watching with no danger of tarnishing the Golden Dome record.