The rest of the outta state transfers are probably waiting for the hammer to drop
Here's the tweet from a Waukee fan regarding Isaiah Emanuel at SE Polk.
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The rest of the outta state transfers are probably waiting for the hammer to drop
As I've been saying, the majority of the responsibility for transfer waivers fall on the school. I know it's fashionable to shit on the IAHSAA, but that's mostly out of ignorance.
If you are a school hoping to get a waiver for an athlete, you better have done your due diligence.
I’m agree, but if the pissing match makes the IHSAA be more specific and update the process then it’s worth it. They have nobody to blame but themselves.I completely hear you on this.. I have worked with some high level athletes and you are spot on. The difference for a high school kid is that they get 2 maybe 3 years as a varsity player. Going against high level athletes in practice is definitely going to make them better, but they still have to have the opportunity to make plays on the field which is limited to when they are in high school. The transfers affect the number of opportunities those kids get. If the kid does all of the right things and makes improvements necessary - it is up to the coach to find a spot for the kid that will help put the team in the best position possible to win. I just struggle knowing that the kids from Kansas and Colorado would be eligible and playing right now if they hadn't panicked and tried to find greener grass.
These kids were looking for an opportunity, and I hate the IHSAA as much as the next guy. I believe they do a lot of things wrong and are always putting $$ ahead of kids. I honestly have no idea what the hell they are doing and I am not sure they do either. They have never been a leader and resemble the NCAA in many ways... and not in a good way. They really had two options here... and both needed to be addressed in early August when practices started and kids started moving. 1) Anybody who comes to Iowa is immediately eligible due to the pandemic. 2) Transfers for the sake of playing football are ineligible (unless they sell their home and relocate to Iowa - only one residence rule). IHSAA created the mess they are in and I don't feel bad for them one bit - I just think that there is a bigger picture to all of this that goes beyond eligibility.
For the record - if I were Arland, I would forget about a senior year and focus on training and being ready to go in January at Iowa. There really is no reason to risk injury this late in the game, it is just a pissing match between his family (and most of the Iowa fan base) and the IHSAA.
That's essentially what I said from the beginning of this thread: the iahsaa doesn't have the man power to vet all of these transfers, especially at the start of the school year and most just get a cursory look and are approved. Bruce was likely brought up by an outsider and the iahsaa was forced to scrutinize the transfer more thoroughly and what they saw didn't look right (which is debatable). Doesn't mean that the iahsaa was singling him out or applying a different set of standards to him necessarily. And now that they have sort of drawn their line in the sand and others have been brought up or asked about, the iahsaa is obligated to look at those transfers more closely as well.
As I've been saying, the majority of the responsibility for transfer waivers fall on the school. I know it's fashionable to shit on the IAHSAA, but that's mostly out of ignorance.
If you are a school hoping to get a waiver for an athlete, you better have done your due diligence.
Transfer from Illinois to Clear Creek Amana just got shut down
I didn't read this Q&A with Tom Keating from August 11th: https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...ctor-tom-keating-jake-rubley-iowa/5581314002/
Here is one of his answers:
Tom Keating: "Really it comes down to if a family is going to pick up and move and give up their home, wherever they’re at now, and come and make a residence in Iowa and some districts in Iowa, then by administrative code, they're eligible. If they don't, if they try to get around it by living with a relative or a friend or renting an apartment or something of that nature, then that doesn't cut it. They wouldn't be eligible in that situation. So we depend, of course, on our schools to make sure that they are checking on the legitimacy of anybody's relocation because, ultimately, that impacts the school's eligibility. You certainly don't want to be playing a student who's not eligible for competition because of a transfer, and our schools are really responsible in that regard. … As far as your pointed question about, 'Is that fair to the kids who are already there?' That's going to be a challenge for school districts if these things happen. And that's going to be their issue to address, and it's tough. As I've told others — for years families have moved into Iowa and their kids have enrolled in schools and they've taken the place of maybe somebody who had been in the district for their whole life. And it wasn't COVID-driven by any means, but it was maybe a job or something else. But, you know, it does impact kids when that happens."
Proof positive that Keating knew that kids were coming to Iowa solely for the purpose of playing football because of COVID. And his response? Essentially: "I'm going to leave it up to the schools to make that determination."
There is COVID guidance to schools on the IHSAA's website: https://www.iahsaa.org/covid-19-fall-football/
If they had the time to issues COVID related guidance to schools and knew full well that kids were coming to Iowa because of states cancelling HS football due to COVID, it seems awfully lazy for the IHSAA to not be proactive and issue guidance to high schools. It is literally their job to provide guidance relating to rules interpretations.
Fast forward to the 4A playoffs. #1 SE Polk wins a first round game and is getting ready to face CR Washington in round two. CR Washington's AD contacts Tom Keating's office and says . . . "hey, looks like Isaiah Emanuel's mother and father are still living in Illinois, I don't think that he's an eligible player." The IHSAA concludes that SE Polk won with an ineligible player and must forfeit its first round win. See how leaving the challenges to players' eligibility to others opens the door for abuse/strategic timing?
Simultaneously, it is not fair to the kids seeking eligibility for them to rely on the schools' interpretation of the rule only then to have the IHSAA intervene after someone challenges a school's determination. Seems like a very backassward way of approaching the issue. "We are the ultimate authority of whether the circumstances involving a kid's transfer permits him to be immediately eligible but we're going to let the schools govern themselves and the kids can rely on that determination but - if someone challenges the school - then we'll look into the issue further and issue a final ruling" doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
Lol. You have no idea what happened and not privy to the details, but you are just sure the "IHSAA" is to blame and they all need to be fired. Wouldn't it be great if people completely unfamiliar with what you do and completely ignorant of all relevant information suddenly decided you were to blame for something and wanted you fired?This is extremely poor form on the leadership at the IHSAA. What is the governing body over the IHSAA? Can these people be removed from their positions?
Mr. Keating? I thought you were supposed to be out of town and unavailable. At least that's the excuse you used to skip out on tomorrow's hearing before an Administrative Law Judge.Lol. You have no idea what happened and not privy to the details, but you are just sure the "IHSAA" is to blame and they all need to be fired. Wouldn't it be great if people completely unfamiliar with what you do and completely ignorant of all relevant information suddenly decided you were to blame for something and wanted you fired?
This is our society these days, I suppose.
Mr. Keating? I thought you were supposed to be out of town and unavailable. At least that's the excuse you used to skip out on tomorrow's hearing before an Administrative Law Judge.
Lol. You have no idea what happened and not privy to the details, but you are just sure the "IHSAA" is to blame and they all need to be fired. Wouldn't it be great if people completely unfamiliar with what you do and completely ignorant of all relevant information suddenly decided you were to blame for something and wanted you fired?
This is our society these days, I suppose.
So the vague language of the rules didn’t contribute to it? The ruling of Bruce being ineligible and others not being looked into didn’t contribute to it? And now subsequently ruling others ineligible after 4 games? I find it hard to see how the IHSAA isn’t at fault.Lol. You have no idea what happened and not privy to the details, but you are just sure the "IHSAA" is to blame and they all need to be fired. Wouldn't it be great if people completely unfamiliar with what you do and completely ignorant of all relevant information suddenly decided you were to blame for something and wanted you fired?
This is our society these days, I suppose.
Ok, first, the IAHSAA could be at fault here. I don't know. That's the point. It also could be the family. Or the school. But virtually no one in this conversation save a few posters will even consider the possibility that the fault lies with anyone else but those overpaid bastards at IAHSAA. My experience in these matters leads me to believe it's the family because it usually is. To be clear, I do not work, nor have I ever worked, for the IAHSAA. I have some experience dealing with eligibility issues though, and while I don't always agree with the decisions of the IAHSAA, I have always found the committee to be professional and thorough.So the vague language of the rules didn’t contribute to it? The ruling of Bruce being ineligible and others not being looked into didn’t contribute to it? And now subsequently ruling others ineligible after 4 games? I find it hard to see how the IHSAA isn’t at fault.
Ok, first, the IAHSAA could be at fault here. I don't know. That's the point. It also could be the family. Or the school. But virtually no one in this conversation save a few posters will even consider the possibility that the fault lies with anyone else but those overpaid bastards at IAHSAA. My experience in these matters leads me to believe it's the family because it usually is. To be clear, I do not work, nor have I ever worked, for the IAHSAA. I have some experience dealing with eligibility issues though, and while I don't always agree with the decisions of the IAHSAA, I have always found the committee to be professional and thorough.
Btw, some of us don't think the rules are all that vague. I also don't know what you mean when you say "others not looked into." Several players were ruled ineligible before the season started. Only one took it to court. Now decisions are being made (or reversed) four weeks into the season so it has to be because the IAHSAA sucks? Is it possible that the committee received new information?
I think the lawyer is in this thread.. actually one post above yours.. maybe he is doing his pro bono work for the year idk..Will be interesting to follow this as he enters college.
Reasons:
1-Nearly free housing provided - not sure if the family are Iowa fans or alumni
2-I think it has been mentioned that the family is not well to do financially- who is paying the large lawyer fee
3-Initial judge was an “Iowa fan” I believe has been mentioned as well. I also believe he stated if the case came back before him he would rule him eligible
This could get sticky. I hope not. But could certainly see it happen.
I think the lawyer is in this thread.. actually one post above yours.. maybe he is doing his pro bono work for the year idk..
Also looks like cytwins is blaming the lawyer for others getting ruled ineligible.. that guy needs to seek help.. the lies and deceit he will make up about the hawkeyes and it’s fans are from a mental head case.. I think somebody needs to just out his name so he can finally get the help he needs
I think the lawyer is in this thread.. actually one post above yours.. maybe he is doing his pro bono work for the year idk..
Also looks like cytwins is blaming the lawyer for others getting ruled ineligible.. that guy needs to seek help.. the lies and deceit he will make up about the hawkeyes and it’s fans are from a mental head case.. I think somebody needs to just out his name so he can finally get the help he needs
Yes it would because they came from out of state.. or id tell Arland just go to ankeny Christian, they pair up with the hawks for footballDowling kids don't have to be in any certain area, like a kid from say Urbandale, or maybe DM kids are supposed to live in a certain area of DM where their HS is. Plenty of Dowling kids are from all over Polk County and probably Dallas and Warren. Private school. Now I don't know if that makes any difference in this case.
I live in the ankeny area and I’ve come across a guy who I think it may be.. because no matter what he has to jab the hawkeyes.. and he isn’t quite there in the headRoy - people wonder why I worry about that Twins. He knows my name and address and worse my ex and kids’ address. And the crap he has done is sick. He follows all my legal cases and if I don’t have a great result he posts like he did today. I took a “huge” amount of money and “in spite” made other kids Ineligible and it is “sickening” to him. And his little underling Brandon says I am just a “bad person.” Interesting as don’t know them but they are the ones tj
Roy - good point on Twins. And people were skeptical when I said he scares me as he and a couple of his psycho underlings have left a bunch of messages previously with my ex and kids. Calling me out to my ex and kids by my screaming my posting name with Hawks suck, “die Kujawa” etc. They know where I live and work but go after a 100 lbs female and 2 kids. He now follows my legal cases and posts crap about me. Including accusing me of taking a “huge” amount of money (not true), getting other kids ineligible (wasn’t me check the Register) and being a “sickening” person (well I try not to be). He is sick and his little buddy Brandon is psycho.
Enrollment in school and athletic eligibility are two entirely different processes. Private schools do not have boundaries for enrollment, so students can attend from anywhere. Athletic eligibility, however, has rules that every school, public or private, must follow. So, if a kid from Lincoln enrolls at Dowling, he has a 90 day waiting period before participating in sports, just like everyone else. Unless he qualifies for an exemption, like the kids we are talking about did.Dowling kids don't have to be in any certain area, like a kid from say Urbandale, or maybe DM kids are supposed to live in a certain area of DM where their HS is. Plenty of Dowling kids are from all over Polk County and probably Dallas and Warren. Private school. Now I don't know if that makes any difference in this case.
Enrollment in school and athletic eligibility are two entirely different processes. Private schools do not have boundaries for enrollment, so students can attend from anywhere. Athletic eligibility, however, has rules that every school, public or private, must follow. So, if a kid from Lincoln enrolls at Dowling, he has a 90 day waiting period before participating in sports, just like everyone else. Unless he qualifies for an exemption, like the kids we are talking about did.
I don't have any information about them. But because Dowling has no boundaries to move into, I suspect they will have to sit out. They really don't have any grounds for an exemption.Hawkness - what do you think will happen with the Roosevelt transfers this week to Dowling?
I live in the ankeny area and I’ve come across a guy who I think it may be.. because no matter what he has to jab the hawkeyes.. and he isn’t quite there in the head
mans that’s messed up to take a message board and take it personal like he did.. and what point if he is putting your name out there and running your name through mud is there civil action
I don't have any information about them. But because Dowling has no boundaries to move into, I suspect they will have to sit out. They really don't have any grounds for an exemption.
Roy - people wonder why I worry about that Twins. He knows my name and address and worse my ex and kids’ address. And the crap he has done is sick. He follows all my legal cases and if I don’t have a great result he posts like he did today. I took a “huge” amount of money and “in spite” made other kids Ineligible and it is “sickening” to him. And his little underling Brandon says I am just a “bad person.” Interesting as don’t know them but they are the ones tj
Roy - good point on Twins. And people were skeptical when I said he scares me as he and a couple of his psycho underlings have left a bunch of messages previously with my ex and kids. Calling me out to my ex and kids by my screaming my posting name with Hawks suck, “die Kujawa” etc. They know where I live and work but go after a 100 lbs female and 2 kids. He now follows my legal cases and posts crap about me. Including accusing me of taking a “huge” amount of money (not true), getting other kids ineligible (wasn’t me check the Register) and being a “sickening” person (well I try not to be). He is sick and his little buddy Brandon is psycho.
Same rule for Dowling The only exemption they have is if they move out of the Des Moines School District and move into the West Des Moines School District where Dowling is located. It's in the rule:I don't have any information about them. But because Dowling has no boundaries to move into, I suspect they will have to sit out. They really don't have any grounds for an exemption.
Huh. I was not aware that Dowling was within the WDM school district. I suppose that was part of the reason they added "West Des Moines" to their name? Lol I'm dense sometimes.Same rule for Dowling The only exemption they have is if they move out of the Des Moines School District and move into the West Des Moines School District where Dowling is located. It's in the rule:
(1) Upon contemporaneous change in parental residence, a student is immediately eligible if the student transfers to the new district of residence or to an accredited nonpublic member or associate member school located in the new school district of residence.
Can I get the Cliff's notes version of this thread?
Not cancelled but scheduled for next week instead. I believe Tuesday.So, was the court appeal hearing cancelled because Keating(sp) could not be there?
Any developments?