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Arrest in Delphi murders made!!!!

Great news. Been following this a bit for a while.

Had a suspicion the Kline stuff would end up a red herring.
 
Great news. Been following this a bit for a while.

Had a suspicion the Kline stuff would end up a red herring.

I think they said sometime earlier last year that they thought they knew who did it but just didn't have enough to arrest him. Such a strange investigation.
 
I think they said sometime earlier last year that they thought they knew who did it but just didn't have enough to arrest him. Such a strange investigation.

It does seem like they'd been focused on someone for a long time. A lot of people assumed they were talking about Kline, especially since he was in jail already and not going anywhere, they could take their time.

I'm not aware that this guy's name ever came up anywhere, despite hundreds of amateur redditors, podcasters, and youtubers creating millions of words of content for 5 years.

The vast majority of time, no matter how heavily scrutinized a case might be by amateurs, it ends up being someone totally off the radar to amateurs. Important to keep in mind in any unsolved case that bandies about suspects...overwhelming liklihood is it isn't anyone your favorite podcaster or message board warrior turned up.
 
It does seem like they'd been focused on someone for a long time. A lot of people assumed they were talking about Kline, especially since he was in jail already and not going anywhere, they could take their time.

I'm not aware that this guy's name ever came up anywhere, despite hundreds of amateur redditors, podcasters, and youtubers creating millions of words of content for 5 years.

The vast majority of time, no matter how heavily scrutinized a case might be by amateurs, it ends up being someone totally off the radar to amateurs. Important to keep in mind in any unsolved case that bandies about suspects...overwhelming liklihood is it isn't anyone your favorite podcaster or message board warrior turned up.

I hope the case is rock solid and they got the right guy. Interesting that they're leaving the tip line open - but maybe they do that all the time and I just don't pay attention.

I don't follow amateur online sleuths but I'm sure cases like this bring people out of the woodwork. It has been shrouded in such secrecy for a long time and the authorities have been very cautious to only let very limited details out. I'm sure a lot of that was to protect the family but it's fascinating that things are still so secret (sealing the materials). We'll find out eventually I guess and ultimately I don't care as long as they catch these pieces of shit.
 
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I hope the case is rock solid and they got the right guy. Interesting that they're leaving the tip line open - but maybe they do that all the time and I just don't pay attention.

I don't follow amateur online sleuths but I'm sure cases like this bring people out of the woodwork. It has been shrouded in such secrecy for a long time and the authorities have been very cautious to only let very limited details out. I'm sure a lot of that was to protect the family but it's fascinating that things are still so secret (sealing the materials). We'll find out eventually I guess and ultimately I don't care as long as they catch these pieces of shit.

It's a pretty crazy community. I guess like most online communities, it has some of the smartest, most compassionate and dedicated people imaginable, along with absolute derelicts, grifters and lunatics.

One of the issues is the ability to seriously monetize podcasts, and especially youtube videos, really brings some garbage to the forefront. Hell, even people that start off well intentioned and circumspect can all of a sudden see actual serious money coming in out of nowhere, and then how do you keep yourself from producing more of the content that pays, in lieu of chasing the truth?

I mostly stay away from youtubers, and tend to stick with true crime podcasts from professional outlets, rather than amateurs. I've become very disillusioned with the citizen sleuth type podcasts. I actually prefer to engage with hobbyists rather than people that have $ in the game. Hobbyists are much more likely to have 30-40 years in this game and really know how things work. It's amazing how many podcasters and youtubers are clearly woefully new to the subject of crime and law enforcement, but see an opportunity for cash or clout. Give me folks who've been into this shit since they read their mom's copy of The Stranger Beside Me.

But you still have to find the right communities...The Unresolved Mysteries subreddit is a pretty wonderful community, while the Websleuth forum is a cess pool.

I think you are correct that the extremely restricted amount of information the authorities released on this case led to more irresponsible speculation than usual, because there was so little "known" with which to combat wild theories.

Law Enforcement took a LOT of heat on this one, and on their refusal to be more forthcoming. That makes me think they likely have this one buttoned way up, as they've shown themselves to be patient and immune to public pressure. I would be shocked if all of a sudden they pivoted to a reckless premature arrest at this point.

It will all come out eventually, but I'm very anxious to learn how long this guy has been on their radar and how they eventually tied him to the case.
 
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Oh it’s most likely related.

It might well be. It's curious how this arrest came relatively soon with activity seeming to pick up in the Kline case. Interested to see if that's coincidence, or there's a connection.

I've been pretty skeptical of Kline being the actual killer. Also pretty dubious of the frequently proposed idea that he "sold" the girls to the killer and set them up.

However, it seems more possible to me that he inadvertently exposed the girls to the killer with his activities. Also possible that he knew something about this guy or his involvement after the fact through communication with other scumbags, and has been trying to leverage that info for a break in his own serious charges.

I also think that this might just be a case of "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" for Kline. Think what happened with Gary Condit.

95% of the Kline statements, lies and actions that are used to make him look culpable in the Delphi murders are also easily understandable in the context of a total scumbag who knows he's facing incredibly serious charges, and ALSO knows he happened to have picked up a girl in his web that ended up dead. The charges he's facing are plenty serious enough for him to try to lie to investigators, wipe his phone, etc.

I'm not saying he's not going to be connected, but I don't think he HAS to be connected, which has been a very frequent sentiment.
 
Crazy story making the rounds...apparently way back in March of 2020, some user on 4Chan claimed to know it was a local man called Richard. Then in subsequent posts, tried to back off having dropped a name, claiming unconvincingly it was a typo. But apparently 4Chan's forums on the case have been collectively calling the unknown suspect "Richard" ever since.

Obviously, Richard is a common enough name (but not actually THAT common for people in their 40s) that it is probably nothing. But still pretty weird to think some anonymous poster might have known for years.

(to be clear, I'm picking up this story from other forum discussions, I am NOT a 4Chan guy and am not chasing this story down that rabbit hole)
 
I hope the case is rock solid and they got the right guy. they do that all the time and I just don't pay attention.

I'm guessing they're leaving it open now that he's identified, in the event someone like his dentist can go back and say "Hey, he cancelled his appoint that day" or something. A tip that wouldn't have ever been prompted without the context of knowing the guy was a suspect. I doubt it's being left open to draw tips on alternative suspects.
 
I watched the press conference on this. Basically all of the information on this case has been sealed.

So the police and prosecutor arn't able to answer even the most basic information. We have no idea how strong the case is, When Richard Allen came on the radar or anything.

All they would tell us is that a probable cause affidavit was filed and a judge issued an arrest warrant and he was apprehended on Friday. Also he is being held outside of the county for his own protection without bond.

Interestingly they are keeping the tip lines and everything still open. I felt like they implied that they might be looking at other suspects. . . I presume for possibly aiding and abetting.
 
I watched the press conference on this. Basically all of the information on this case has been sealed.

So the police and prosecutor arn't able to answer even the most basic information. We have no idea how strong the case is, When Richard Allen came on the radar or anything.

All they would tell us is that a probable cause affidavit was filed and a judge issued an arrest warrant and he was apprehended on Friday. Also he is being held outside of the county for his own protection without bond.

Interestingly they are keeping the tip lines and everything still open. I felt like they implied that they might be looking at other suspects. . . I presume for possibly aiding and abetting.

I think the tip line is open for corroborating evidence now that people know who it is. It seems like this guy was so unlikely and above suspicion, that people may have relevant info now in the context he's been arrested, but it certainly wouldn't have triggered a tip before.
 
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I'm guessing they're leaving it open now that he's identified, in the event someone like his dentist can go back and say "Hey, he cancelled his appoint that day" or something. A tip that wouldn't have ever been prompted without the context of knowing the guy was a suspect. I doubt it's being left open to draw tips on alternative suspects.

That makes sense. Hopefully that’s the case.
 
It does seem like they'd been focused on someone for a long time. A lot of people assumed they were talking about Kline, especially since he was in jail already and not going anywhere, they could take their time.

I'm not aware that this guy's name ever came up anywhere, despite hundreds of amateur redditors, podcasters, and youtubers creating millions of words of content for 5 years.

The vast majority of time, no matter how heavily scrutinized a case might be by amateurs, it ends up being someone totally off the radar to amateurs. Important to keep in mind in any unsolved case that bandies about suspects...overwhelming liklihood is it isn't anyone your favorite podcaster or message board warrior turned up.

I was not remotely caught up on the case and just read all the Kline stuff. Holy shit - that’s a crazy story! Andddddd now I’m stuck down an internet worm hole….
 
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Damn, the suspect worked at Walgreens and the family came in to get pictures printed for the Funeral. He printed out the pictures and didn't charge them. The Grandma remembered him.
 
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He apparently doesn't have a criminal record beyond a few minor traffic violations from nearly 2 decades ago (speeding in 2005 and driving without a seatbelt in 2003)


This is where I start thinking that I sure hope they have a strong case because nothing so far in this guy's history screams that this is the person you are looking for. Hoping we will be able to see the evidence soon although I understand that withholding it for now is a prudent part of the process.
 
I did a quick google of his name and there are multiple articles reporting that he worked at a CVS based on interviews with locals. That story is also reported in this article


Ha! I did a search of his name and Walgreens. Nada. Too lazy to dig further!
 
They never have released the details of their deaths but are we to assume it was sexual predation in nature for motive. Just wondering if it could be a scenario of coming into a situation of him in process of committing a crime.

If the most likely, wonder how many other victims this 50 year old has.
 
They never have released the details of their deaths but are we to assume it was sexual predation in nature for motive. Just wondering if it could be a scenario of coming into a situation of him in process of committing a crime.

If the most likely, wonder how many other victims this 50 year old has.

Unless he normally groomed his victims and they never talked, it seems unlikely that there is a bunch of unsolved murders in the area. I would guess that sexual predation is likely the motive but I doubt he has many other victims.

Not sure what crime he could have been committing and trying to keep them silent on while on a hiking trail. There doesn't seem to be very many serious crimes one could commit alone on a hiking trail
 
Unless he normally groomed his victims and they never talked, it seems unlikely that there is a bunch of unsolved murders in the area. I would guess that sexual predation is likely the motive but I doubt he has many other victims.

Not sure what crime he could have been committing and trying to keep them silent on while on a hiking trail. There doesn't seem to be very many serious crimes one could commit alone on a hiking trail

I'm confident they've got this guy buttoned up pretty well, but it's pretty hard to wrap my head around. While few details have leaked, by most accounts this was a brutally violent attack. And despite the fact it went unsolved for 5 years, it didn't seem to be that careful and meticulous. Outside, caught on camera, a few witnesses, evidence left behind at the crime scene, bodies discovered quickly.

This just doesn't seem like the kind of crime that a normal respectable member of the community would pull and just go back to regular life, but it looks like that's what he did.

To me, this seemed like a crime committed by a trucker or transient in a crime of opportunity, no too worried about the scene because he knows he'll be hundreds of miles away in a couple hours, never to return. But they've been pretty adamant the whole time it was a local, I don't know if that's simply because only a local would know the location, or they have had further evidence to that effect the whole time.
 
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They never have released the details of their deaths but are we to assume it was sexual predation in nature for motive. Just wondering if it could be a scenario of coming into a situation of him in process of committing a crime.

If the most likely, wonder how many other victims this 50 year old has.

There's very little that's leaked, but all accounts are that it was a sexual in nature. I thought I had read that the girls clothes were separate from the girls. That said, I don't think they've EVER confirmed any of it. There's a lot of rumors.

As opposed to say, them stumbling across his hidden meth lab? I haven't heard any speculation in that direction.
 
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There's very little that's leaked, but all accounts are that it was a sexual in nature. I thought I had read that the girls clothes were separate from the girls. That said, I don't think they've EVER confirmed any of it. There's a lot of rumors.

As opposed to say, them stumbling across his hidden meth lab? I haven't heard any speculation in that direction.

I think I remember hearing that the bodies where "posed". But I have to say when it's 2 young teenaged girls out in the middle of no where, sex crime is usually the most likely explanation.

That said I don't think any charges have been leveled against him for sex crimes. Maybe they are just holding those charges back til more information comes out though.
 
Unless he normally groomed his victims and they never talked, it seems unlikely that there is a bunch of unsolved murders in the area. I would guess that sexual predation is likely the motive but I doubt he has many other victims.

Not sure what crime he could have been committing and trying to keep them silent on while on a hiking trail. There doesn't seem to be very many serious crimes one could commit alone on a hiking trail
Yeah, only things could be drug transaction or making or burying a body, but not likely.

On the other had, I do think it very likely these were not his first victims if it was not randomly coming across a crime. The victims would not have to be from that actual location or groomed but maybe other locations he went / lived prior. Seems very odd for a guy to suddenly stalk, rape and kill two local middle school girls in his late 40s without ever having done something before or since. This is the crime of a serial killer, especially if the bodies were posed. Could be they have known for a while and part of the delay was based on trying to see if any links to past unsolved cases in area and simply monitoring him. Will be fascinating to know more details.
 
Yeah, only things could be drug transaction or making or burying a body, but not likely.

On the other had, I do think it very likely these were not his first victims if it was not randomly coming across a crime. The victims would not have to be from that actual location or groomed but maybe other locations he went / lived prior. Seems very odd for a guy to suddenly stalk, rape and kill two local middle school girls in his late 40s without ever having done something before or since. This is the crime of a serial killer, especially if the bodies were posed. Could be they have known for a while and part of the delay was based on trying to see if any links to past unsolved cases in area and simply monitoring him. Will be fascinating to know more details.

Dude has been in the area for 16 years now. When Abby and Liberty were killed he would have been there for 11 years.

It does seem weird that someone would do that for the first time in their late 40's but it seems to be what happened here.
 
Dude has been in the area for 16 years now. When Abby and Liberty were killed he would have been there for 11 years.

It does seem weird that someone would do that for the first time in their late 40's but it seems to be what happened here.

Yeah, and such a brazen crime. I mean, the location was remote, but it was still outside, no protection against who might show up, two victims to control, etc.

A scenario with a guy like this who is otherwise "normal" you expect an escalation, and a level of self preservation. You expect that it's an issue of becoming progressively obsessed with the babysitter, the neighbor, the jogger that runs by every day, until he can't control his obsession, and the victim is lured into a car or home, and eventually disappears. Of course its risky, but he would be controlling the environment and situation to a large degree.

This doesn't feel that way, this feels like the kind of crime that eventually gets tied to a mostly disorganized predator and linked with multiple other attacks and attempted attacks.

But who knows, maybe we'll find out that he was extremely familiar with the area and had it relatively meticulously planned. After all, he did almost get away with it.

I am curious if it was a crime of opportunity or if he was stalking the girls online and they were targets. Either through some association with Kline, or independently.
 
Yeah, and such a brazen crime. I mean, the location was remote, but it was still outside, no protection against who might show up, two victims to control, etc.

A scenario with a guy like this who is otherwise "normal" you expect an escalation, and a level of self preservation. You expect that it's an issue of becoming progressively obsessed with the babysitter, the neighbor, the jogger that runs by every day, until he can't control his obsession, and the victim is lured into a car or home, and eventually disappears. Of course its risky, but he would be controlling the environment and situation to a large degree.

This doesn't feel that way, this feels like the kind of crime that eventually gets tied to a mostly disorganized predator and linked with multiple other attacks and attempted attacks.

But who knows, maybe we'll find out that he was extremely familiar with the area and had it relatively meticulously planned. After all, he did almost get away with it.

I am curious if it was a crime of opportunity or if he was stalking the girls online and they were targets. Either through some association with Kline, or independently.

He likely was extremely familiar with the area though. I think the bigger question is if he just saw 2 girls on the hiking trail and decided that he was going to "have a go" at them so to speak or if he stalked them and followed them.

Small town and he apparently worked in the only pharmacy in town. So likely he saw everyone in town on a fairly regular basis.
 
Important to keep in mind in any unsolved case that bandies about suspects...overwhelming liklihood is it isn't anyone your favorite podcaster or message board warrior turned up.
Except in the case of @jasonrann

Everyone knows that sumbitch offed his neighbor and framed her husband.
 
There was a rumor going around about how they caught him.

Story is that he stole some tools from his neighbor's garage and the neighbor called the cops on him. Tools found in his possession. Tools weren't worth much, but entering the garage was felony breaking and entering. As such, DNA was collected at booking as per state law, hits on Delphi DNA. B&E charges dropped quietly.

Rumors are that in addition to things retrieved in the search, they dug up the back yard for a buried family pet (cat?). There have been rumors for years now that among the evidence collected at the murder scene was animal hair. Which has never been verified, but it's also kind of a weird thing to make the rounds if its NOT based in truth.

These are basically unsubstantiated message board fodder, but thought it was interesting.
 
There was a rumor going around about how they caught him.

Story is that he stole some tools from his neighbor's garage and the neighbor called the cops on him. Tools found in his possession. Tools weren't worth much, but entering the garage was felony breaking and entering. As such, DNA was collected at booking as per state law, hits on Delphi DNA. B&E charges dropped quietly.

Rumors are that in addition to things retrieved in the search, they dug up the back yard for a buried family pet (cat?). There have been rumors for years now that among the evidence collected at the murder scene was animal hair. Which has never been verified, but it's also kind of a weird thing to make the rounds if its NOT based in truth.

These are basically unsubstantiated message board fodder, but thought it was interesting.

I'm not sure I buy that at all.

He was taken into custody on Friday and the reports that an arrest had been made in the Delphi murders went out within hours.

Like they said they took him into custody around noon. My wife sent me a report about the arrest around 3 hours later.

Booking him, taking his DNA and matching it up to Delphi would have taken far longer.

Plus based on my information Indiana doesn't require people arrested to submit a DNA sample.

 
I'm not sure I buy that at all.

He was taken into custody on Friday and the reports that an arrest had been made in the Delphi murders went out within hours.

Like they said they took him into custody around noon. My wife sent me a report about the arrest around 3 hours later.

Booking him, taking his DNA and matching it up to Delphi would have taken far longer.

Plus based on my information Indiana doesn't require people arrested to submit a DNA sample.


The premise was that the tool thing happened some time ago.

I also find it doubtful, as if he had been charged, even if charges were later dropped when the DNA pinged, I don't think you could simply scrub the original arrest into nothingness.
 
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The premise was that the tool thing happened some time ago.

I also find it doubtful, as if he had been charged, even if charges were later dropped when the DNA pinged, I don't think you could simply scrub the original arrest into nothingness.

Yeah media would have picked up on it. But so far the only criminal history the media has picked up on was he got a traffic ticket 19 years ago and one 17 years ago.
 
So the probable cause affidavit has been released. Apparently everything hinges on a unspent bullet that was found between the bodies of the two girls that forensics says was cycled through the gun belonging to Richard Allen.
 
So the probable cause affidavit has been released. Apparently everything hinges on a unspent bullet that was found between the bodies of the two girls that forensics says was cycled through the gun belonging to Richard Allen.

Wow. Heard a lot of speculation over the years about what kind of evidence they had from the scene. Saw many things speculated...DNA, clothing, and oddly enough, pet hair. Never saw any speculation about an unspent bullet. Cops kept that one tight.

If that's literally all they have...going to be awfully tough. A known guy in the community with no record or reputation, could be very hard to get a conviction on that alone. I'm assuming that they got more incriminating evidence maybe from the search?
 
Wow. Heard a lot of speculation over the years about what kind of evidence they had from the scene. Saw many things speculated...DNA, clothing, and oddly enough, pet hair. Never saw any speculation about an unspent bullet. Cops kept that one tight.

If that's literally all they have...going to be awfully tough. A known guy in the community with no record or reputation, could be very hard to get a conviction on that alone. I'm assuming that they got more incriminating evidence maybe from the search?

I don't have any information about any other evidence. Sounds like the gun was recovered in the search.

The thing about the unspent bullet though is it's pretty damning if the forensics can say it 100% came from his gun. He told police he had never lent it out or had it stolen. Had no answer for why his bullet would be down there.

I am hoping they have more evidence then this.

 
Ok, pulled from Reddit.

Here is the evidence:

  • RA admits to and was seen on trail during time of murders
  • video shows his car approaching trail around 1:30
  • video shows BG walking behind Victim 1
  • one of the victims says “gun”
  • BG approaches says “down the hill”
  • a single unspent round was left between the victims’ bodies
  • RA not seen on trail during time of murder
  • multiple eyewitnesses flagged BG that day; several said they said “hi” to him and he glared at them; may be key eyewitnesses
  • two witnesses also saw RA’s car parked oddly, as if to conceal a license plate, nearby and reported it at the time
  • RA admitted he parked at the same location the car was seen
  • the big one: the unspent round was linked to a gun seized during search warrant on RA’s house. He purchased gun in 2001 and said he never let others borrow it. His knives, jacket were also seized.
What is left out?

  • what evidence led investigators to recently return to RA?
  • what was RA’s motive to kill the girls?
  • they mention they collected very specific info off his phone; why were they focused that?
  • also, no allegation RA actually pulled the trigger
 
I don't have any information about any other evidence. Sounds like the gun was recovered in the search.

The thing about the unspent bullet though is it's pretty damning if the forensics can say it 100% came from his gun. He told police he had never lent it out or had it stolen. Had no answer for why his bullet would be down there.

I am hoping they have more evidence then this.


I agree the unspent bullet is good evidence. But hinging on one piece of evidence so strongly is always a risk, it gives the defense a single pressure point to hammer. They can hammer the forensics of how reliable the match is (curious if matching unspent rounds is as reliable as fired rounds?), that the police planted it, etc.

Hopefully they've got more. The supporting evidence around him being there looks strong. I guess ultimately they not only have to explain away the bullet, but then the fact that he looks so much like the guy on camera. It can be hard to explain away multiple coincidences.
 
is this the same case where another witness had the guy on a snapchat video on the trail or bridge where the girls were?

edit: Man, i really wish they could find the scum bag that murdered the cousins in north east Iowa....
 
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