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[DayHawk18]

Listening to Ben Askren and Tommy Rowlands podcast and Askren said that from a reliable source that Metcalf was pushed out. Apparently after the Trials all of his funding from HWC was cut off.

If this is true (and I believe it is), then what in the hell are we doing? That's absolutely ridiculous and we have to have some immediate changes.

 

[WildTurk]

Listening to Ben Askren and Tommy Rowlands podcast and Askren said that from a reliable source that Metcalf was pushed out. Apparently after the Trials all of his funding from HWC was cut off.

If this is true (and I believe it is), then what in the hell are we doing? That's absolutely ridiculous and we have to have some immediate changes.

Because Ben Askren said so?

 

[DayHawk18]

Because the way he put it sounds like he heard it from someone with knowledge of the situation.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

Let's not dwell on the negative. Let's be positive and move forward. The past is behind us. I'm not interested in re-hashing negative stuff and much prefer to focus on solutions.

Who's with me?

 

[MVPFAN]

Listening to Ben Askren and Tommy Rowlands podcast and Askren said that from a reliable source that Metcalf was pushed out. Apparently after the Trials all of his funding from HWC was cut off.

If this is true (and I believe it is), then what in the hell are we doing? That's absoluwill always spin sotely ridiculous and we have to have some immediate changes.

I don't care what Ben Askren said about Iowa wrestling for starters, he is a *ick and will always spin it to look negative. Second, didn't Metcalf step away from competing after the trials? Third, who gives a shit. He took a different job before ISU even hired him with the big money offer. You think our club can afford to pay a huge salary to guys just to have them hang around? Metcalf could only be at the the official college practices for like 5 years after he graduates anyway. He has a family and the stipend the club can afford is not a lot of money. Should they have used the whole club budget to pay him so he can be available to work out with outside the regular practices?

 

[Novakht]

SMH... Not even going to respond.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

SMH... Not even going to respond.

This should speak volumes, folks. Let's let the haters talk among themselves in their own echo chamber. No need to give them any voice at all in this forum.

Stay positive, Hawk fans. Nothing good will come of negativity. Good will surely come from positivity.

 

[1stplacehawk]

Just like we kicked Dan Dennis to the curb, lol. This crap is too stupid to even wrap my head around. Sad thing is, quite a few will believe it and run with it.

 

[BELDEEN]

Anyone that listens to T&FS would know Askren is not a fan of Iowa Wrestling. Would you be if you were him? He wrestled from 2004-2007. In the last 15 years, 3 teams have won the NCAA's 13 times. Mizzou isn't 1 of the other two. As a finesse wrestler himself Askren loathes the Gable way. Side Bar, Askren just said he has realized he can't like PSU anymore and they are getting too good. Hell, I figured that out in 2011.

 

[hawkssox1]

This should speak volumes, folks. Let's let the haters talk among themselves in their own echo chamber. No need to give them any voice at all in this forum.

Stay positive, Hawk fans. Nothing good will come of negativity. Good will surely come from positivity.

It's a message board the OP has a right to his opinion.

 

[lookleft goright]

Forced out may be a bit too strong of language. If Metcalfe was done training , he would naturally have to leave the club. That makes total sense. The club is not going to pay for someone to hang around. I am thinking he understood this and has no hard feelings.

 

[wrestlingsage]

Those 2 knuckleheads have become unlistenable with their bias. Askren's stir the pot at all cost tactic is tired and transparent. They both will point out flaws at Iowa and totally ignore the same level or worse problems at their alma maters.

100% Agree!

 

[ih8iast8]

Why is Ben Askren relevant?

 

[UndercoverHawk]

Did Askren also talk about his friend the Nigerian prince?

 

[Chopper25]

I think Askern is a douche, but has TNT put one of their national champs in the Iowa coaching chair? Are assistant jobs at Iowa now careers and not stepping stones? If anyone is going to say guys like Metcalf/Ramos/Perry/McDonough can't recruit a top 10 kid to the University of Iowa to wrestle, save it.

 

[wrestlingsage]

I think Askern is a douche, but has TNT put one of their national champs in the Iowa coaching chair? Are assistant jobs at Iowa now careers and not stepping stones? If anyone is going to say guys like Metcalf/Ramos/Perry/McDonough can't recruit a top 10 kid to the University of Iowa to wrestle, save it.

I agree we need to be finding ways to give our best at least the option of sticking around for a while. There are only so many coaching spots, so I think getting the HWC the funding it needs will make this a lot easier.

Something else to think about. If you look back at some of Gable's best assistant coaches they were neither Hawks or the best wrestlers of their day. J Robinson & Mark Johnson were both very integral and well respected while at Iowa.

 

[crablegs1]

Why is Ben Askren relevant?

He is a hodge trophy winner 4x NCAA finalist, Olympian, runs a successful youth club, and is a champion MMA fighter. If he's not relevant, who is?

 

[bbwretler]

He is a hodge trophy winner 4x NCAA finalist, Olympian, runs a successful youth club, and is a champion MMA fighter. If he's not relevant, who is?

Let's say he becomes less relevant when he is talking about Iowa and his bias shows.

 

[StParis]

Why is Ben Askren relevant?

He has cool hair.

 

[wrestlingsage]

Some ex Iowa guy should go start a podcast and throw out all the dirty crap they hear going on at these other programs. I can tell you it would be more entertaining than a ex wrestler not getting offered a coaching position.

Rowlands tweeting about coaches pressuring young guys after Teasdale decommits is absolutely laughable by anyone that knows a little about tOSU program.

 

[ih8iast8]

Some ex Iowa guy should go start a podcast and throw out all the dirty crap they hear going on at these other programs. I can tell you it would be more entertaining than a ex wrestler not getting offered a coaching position.

No, that's my point. Askren may have a list of "accomplishments" but nevertheless he is a classless idiot. Running your mouth is not a skill you would list on a resume.

 

[Chopper25]

I agree we need to be finding ways to give our best at least the option of sticking around for a while. There are only so many coaching spots, so I think getting the HWC the funding it needs will make this a lot easier.

Something else to think about. If you look back at some of Gable's best assistant coaches they were neither Hawks or the best wrestlers of their day. J Robinson & Mark Johnson were both very integral and well respected while at Iowa.

Wasn't J Robinson an Olympian?

 

[wrestlingsage]

Wasn't J Robinson an Olympian?

They both were actually, in Greco I believe. Neither were superstars in folkstyle.

 

[nearfall2]

Johnson was pretty good. Two time finalist. Dropped both matches to Campbell. Beat
Mike Lieberman (who beat Campbell in the finals the year before) in the semis and Olympian during boycot year. Maybe not "super star" but a hell of a good wrestler.

 

[KujawaFan]

Jeepers guys. Askren hates Iowa and makes it no secret about that and also needs clicks. The best way to get clicks in wrestling is to say something about Iowa cause everyone jumps in. The Hawks are Duke basketball and ND football. Love or hate no in between. So everyone will agree or not with a post or comment and then the slippery slope starts for everyone.

 

[DayHawk18]

So you guys absolutely think there is no way it's possible? Because I think it is. I wish we had more money in the coffers to have him be our volunteer assistant (no offense to Berhow but I'd rather have Metcalf than Berhow) and run practices/etc.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

So you guys absolutely think there is no way it's possible? Because I think it is. I wish we had more money in the coffers to have him be our volunteer assistant (no offense to Berhow but I'd rather have Metcalf than Berhow) and run practices/etc.

First of all, there are two sides to every story. Second, it accomplishes zero to dwell on past events like this. Third, the Iowa program, the HWC, their administration, and their fans have a lot more constructive things to be doing these days than speculating about negative stuff. Time to move on.

 

[Czech Hawk]

He is a hodge trophy winner 4x NCAA finalist, Olympian, runs a successful youth club, and is a champion MMA fighter. If he's not relevant, who is?

Relevant to talking about the Hawkeye program and not being completely bias against it. Maybe something people do not see when they are in the same boat.

 

[Chopper25]

First of all, there are two sides to every story. Second, it accomplishes zero to dwell on past events like this. Third, the Iowa program, the HWC, their administration, and their fans have a lot more constructive things to be doing these days than speculating about negative stuff. Time to move on.[/QUOTE

It's not just people on this board scratching their heads about why room wasn't made to keep Metcalf in Iowa City. A lot of people I've talked to can't believe this happened and are worried we lost a gem. (Maybe maybe not time will tell) Maybe most people I talk to are tired of Iowa finishing 5th. They might wonder how Sorenson wrestles at OT match with Retherford in January, but gets stuck by him in March. Move on to what? Sam Stoll or Spencer Lee's surgeries? Our good recruits coming in who will be redshirted regardless if they are the best guy? Teasdale decommit? If we land a big recruit soon it may take the sting away and the topic may change, but right now this is the story.

 

[JohnBasedow]

So you guys absolutely think there is no way it's possible? Because I think it is. I wish we had more money in the coffers to have him be our volunteer assistant (no offense to Berhow but I'd rather have Metcalf than Berhow) and run practices/etc.

If Metcalf said he was done wrestling then why wouldn't funding be cut off? So I do think it is possible but I highly doubt they didn't tell him he was more than welcome to stick around and help out other guys at every opportunity.

 

[DayHawk18]

If Metcalf said he was done wrestling then why wouldn't funding be cut off? So I do think it is possible but I highly doubt they didn't tell him he was more than welcome to stick around and help out other guys at every opportunity.

So cut off his funding and then be like "yeah stick around and help out and we won't give you any money to feed your family."

That sounds like a real smart business move and one I would definitely take *said no one ever*

 

[hawknut]

Why doesn't a reporter ask Metcalf?

 

[JohnBasedow]

So cut off his funding and then be like "yeah stick around and help out and we won't give you any money to feed your family."

That sounds like a real smart business move and one I would definitely take *said no one ever*

I have zero knowledge of how the HWC operates. I'm just saying it's reasonable to expect that if an athlete stops competing, he will be cut off at some point and let's not jump to conclusions.

 

[jvclark]

He is a hodge trophy winner 4x NCAA finalist, Olympian, runs a successful youth club, and is a champion MMA fighter. If he's not relevant, who is?

Crab: he is extremely relevant when talking about wrestling. No doubt about it. Is he relevant when talking about what happens inside the Iowa room or program, or for that matter, any other room besides Missouris?

Maybe or maybe not, with me leaning towards probably not.

 

[crablegs1]

Crab: he is extremely relevant when talking about wrestling. No doubt about it. Is he relevant when talking about what happens inside the Iowa room or program, or for that matter, any other room besides Missouris?

Maybe or maybe not, with me leaning towards probably not.

I think he is pretty connected to a lot of people in wrestling, including at the OTC. It wouldn't shock me one bit if he's spoken with someone who has talked with Brent about the situation.

 

[HawkeyeEmpire]

This guy??

Askren is a tool. It is well documented he hates everything Iowa and uses any chance or excuse he can to bad mouth the program. Who gives a f**k what this clown thinks??

 

[DayHawk18]

I think he is pretty connected to a lot of people in wrestling, including at the OTC. It wouldn't shock me one bit if he's spoken with someone who has talked with Brent about the situation.

Exactly my thoughts on it. I don't see why you guys think this is no big deal? Brent Metcalf is the best Hawk in the past 10 years and we couldn't find a way to keep him around. Would you rather have Berhow or Metcalf? Because I'd much rather have Metcalf.

 

[DonHawkeye]

Exactly my thoughts on it. I don't see why you guys think this is no big deal? Brent Metcalf is the best Hawk in the past 10 years and we couldn't find a way to keep him around. Would you rather have Berhow or Metcalf? Because I'd much rather have Metcalf.

No one said what you are implying. People understand that there is more to it than just pushing Metcalf out the door. I think we all agree we want to have a HWC funded to the point that we can afford to pay a guy like Metcalf 215k to be an volunteer assistant and at the same time pay all of our post grads guys a good salary to train and heck throw in a handful of Olympic Champs from Russia, Puetro Rico, Japan...

We also had a member of the HWC board basically discredit what Askren said on this thread. We have another thread where we are doing about the only thing us as fans can do at this point to rectify this situation.

 

[DayHawk18]

No one said what you are implying. People understand that there is more to it than just pushing Metcalf out the door. I think we all agree we want to have a HWC funded that can pay a guy like Metcalf 215k to stick around as a volunteer and run the club. We also had a member of the HWC board basically discredit what Askren said on this thread.

How is it that the number 2 team in the state can raise money like that in a heartbeat and we have had 10+ years and can't do it? We didn't need 215k to do it, we just needed to do right by him in the situation and not ask him to be here for essentially free.

 

[DonHawkeye]

How is it that the number 2 team in the state can raise money like that in a heartbeat and we have had 10+ years and can't do it? We didn't need 215k to do it, we just needed to do right by him in the situation and not ask him to be here for essentially free.

They are not the #2 team in the state