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At Pentagon, Fears Grow That Trump Will Pull Military Into Election Unrest

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Defense Department officials said top generals could resign if Mr. Trump ordered the active-duty military into the streets to quell election protests.

Senior Pentagon leaders have a lot to worry about — Afghanistan, Russia, Iraq, Syria, Iran, China, Somalia, the Korean Peninsula. But chief among those concerns is whether their commander in chief might order American troops into any chaos around the coming elections.
President Trump gave officials no solace on Wednesday and Thursday when he again refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power no matter who wins the election, and on Thursday, he doubled down by saying he was not sure the election could be “honest.” His hedging, along with his expressed desire in June to invoke the 1807 Insurrection Act to send active-duty troops onto American streets to quell protests over the killing of George Floyd, has incited deep anxiety among senior military and Defense Department leaders, who insist they will do all they can to keep the armed forces out of the elections.
“I believe deeply in the principle of an apolitical U.S. military,” General Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said in written answers to questions from House lawmakers released last month. “In the event of a dispute over some aspect of the elections, by law, U.S. courts and the U.S. Congress are required to resolve any disputes, not the U.S. military. I foresee no role for the U.S. armed forces in this process.”
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But that has not stopped an intensifying debate in the military about its role should a disputed election lead to civil unrest.



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Mr. Trump refused this week to commit to a peaceful transfer of power after the November election.Credit...Anna Moneymaker for The New York Times
On Aug. 11, John Nagl and Paul Yingling, both retired Army officers and Iraq war veterans, published an open letter to General Milley on the website Defense One. “In a few months’ time, you may have to choose between defying a lawless president or betraying your constitutional oath,” they wrote. “If Donald Trump refuses to leave office at the expiration of his constitutional term, the United States military must remove him by force, and you must give that order.”
Pentagon officials swiftly said such an outcome was preposterous. Under no circumstances, they said, would the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff send Navy SEALs or Marines to haul Mr. Trump out of the White House. If necessary, such a task, Defense Department officials said, would fall to U.S. Marshals or the Secret Service. The military, by law, the officials said, takes a vow to the Constitution, not to the president, and that vow means that the commander in chief of the military is whoever is sworn in at 12:01 p.m. on Inauguration Day.
But senior leaders at the Pentagon, speaking on the condition of anonymity, acknowledged that they were talking among themselves about what to do if Mr. Trump, who will still be president from Election Day to Inauguration Day, invokes the Insurrection Act and tries to send troops into the streets, as he repeatedly threatened to do during the protests against police brutality and systemic racism. Both General Milley and Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper opposed the move then, and Mr. Trump backed down.
The concerns are not unfounded. The Insurrection Act, a two-century-old law, enables a president to send in active-duty military troops to quell disturbances over the objections of governors. Mr. Trump, who refers to the armed forces as “my military” and “my generals,” has lumped them with other supporters like Bikers for Trump, who could offer backup in the face of opposition.

Mr. Trump hosting members of Bikers for Trump at the White House in 2018. He has lumped the group with the armed forces as being able to offer backup in the face of opposition.Credit...Tom Brenner for The New York Times
Defense Department officials have privately discussed the possibility of Mr. Trump trying to use any civil unrest around the elections to put his thumb on the scales. Several Pentagon officials said that such a move could prompt resignations among many of Mr. Trump’s senior generals, starting at the top with General Milley.
The Air Force chief of staff, General Charles Q. Brown, the officials said, would also be unlikely to salute and carry out those orders. In the days after the killing of Mr. Floyd in police custody, General Brown released an extraordinary video in which he spoke in starkly personal terms about his experience as a Black man in America, his unequal treatment in the armed forces and the protests that gripped the country.
“I’m thinking about protests in my country ’tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, the equality expressed in our Declaration of Independence and the Constitution that I have sworn my adult life to support and defend,” General Brown said. “I’m thinking about a history of racial issues and my own experiences that didn’t always sing of liberty and equality.”
Protests and occasional violent confrontations, including one in Portland last month that turned deadly and one in Louisville this week after a grand jury in Kentucky declined to charge any officers in the killing of Breonna Taylor, have continued to roil the country and are further increasing concerns at the Pentagon.
“The main fear is that Portland is Off Broadway and that Broadway would be something here,” said Derek Chollet, who was an assistant secretary of defense under President Barack Obama. “The idea is that you are going to have a lot of kindling out there and Trump is doing nothing to keep that from getting more flammable.’’
This year, Rosa Brooks, a Georgetown University law professor and a Defense Department official under Mr. Obama, led a group of about 100 former national security officials and election experts from both parties in exercises to simulate the most serious risks to a peaceful transition of power.

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Un-named sources indicate that Trump intends to use nukes on blue states should he lose the election...
 
Hope you're happy that this is where Trump has led us.

Trump hasn't led me anywhere because I'm not a follower,.. and if you're not happy with where he's apparently led you then you should stop following...
 
The problem with military brass resigning is that 45* will just find someone who will, indeed, wield his sword. They need to stay and say no, instead.

Doesn't refusing a direct order from the President get them thrown in jail? I think their only option is to resign.

I guess they could hope for a Pardon from Biden, but even in this case, it kind of bothers me that a general could refuse a direct order and not face consequences. That's another slippery slope I don't want us to slide down.

Edit: To clarify, even getting a pardon would be facing consequences. That means the General would have been found guilty of whatever crime that was and then pardoned for it. What worries me is a General saying no and then nothing happens. Even in a case where that provides the preferred outcome for me.
 
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Doesn't refusing a direct order from the President get them thrown in jail? I think their only option is to resign.

I guess they could hope for a Pardon from Biden, but even in this case, it kind of bothers me that a general could refuse a direct order and not face consequences. That's another slippery slope I don't want us to slide down.
If it’s an unlawful order, no. They have a duty to the constitution before the POTUS. As an extreme example, if 45* ordered them to round up and shoot protestors, they must disobey. That said, Generals aren’t lawyers.
 
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Trump hasn't led me anywhere because I'm not a follower,.. and if you're not happy with where he's apparently led you then you should stop following...
What a lousy excuse for the chaos Trump has given us.

At least you admit the he is a worthless leader. That's progress.
 
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