Ride those outdated stereotypes as much as you can. The number of Mormons who currently practice polygamy is small. More importantly, those aren't the people likely to be donating to BYU athletics.
B12 - little, indebted, and parasitic on current students
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Even calling them Mormons is outdated. There are still some very bizarre beliefs in the LDS church though.
True, but religions have no corner on bizarre beliefs today. I just don't like seeing any person or group attacked with broad stereotypes, especially when they're doing others no harm.
Everything related to ISU excepted... of course.
Gee, 1 student.
I'm a UNI grad, I can confidently tell you at least 75% of those students have no clue they pay athletics fees. The ones that do either hate it or justify it for the lousy free tickets.
UCF offers the same. Free tickets. 12,000 students can fit in the stadium, 60,000+ students get tickets. Please don't try to explain how that's ethical. Students wait super long at UCF football games, many can't even get in. It's shady. It's why the NCAA clearly ignores revenue generated by student fees. By the way, UNI counts the student attendance as full for every game because of this. Another shady element.
Then consider that UCF and Cinci, as whole institutions, have been running budget deficits. You can't just move money around to pretend a problem doesn't exist. Money is money.
If more and more students find out about this or it becomes more common, expect lots and lots of backlash.
A couple weeks of beer sales had a big impact.
Almost every DI, DII, and DIII has these fees.
it’s magnified when the fees are to create obvious luxuries.
most schools the fees are needed for athletics to even exist.
it’s magnified when the fees are to create obvious luxuries.
most schools the fees are needed for athletics to even exist.
Uh, yes it did. It provided a bar graph of all the debt held as of 2017 by each school in the B12 conference. It was the only such conference profiled as a whole.
Not true. Not the big revenue generators and big brands. Not Iowa.
only the smaller less sustainable programs do that.
First, you're trying too hard. Second, your outrage--ok, your dismay-- is misdirected.
Much of these fees, tuition increases, etc., are commensurate with the increases in federal funding, be it loans, grants, scholarships, whatever. If the dollars keep flowing, the costs will keep ramping up.
That, plus, who cares about the Big XII, now? Our game against ISU has passed, but even with the upcoming "alliance", rest assured that the game against ISU will be "protected".
B1G took their COVID stance before there was even a vaccine. And Kevin Warren figured other conferences would follow his lead.
Hawkeye Athletics deficit lower than initially anticipated
The University of Iowa athletic department’s deficit from the last fiscal year — originally projected to be $74.8 million — was instead listed at $44.7 million on state Board of Regent documents released on Tuesday. The figure comes after the fiscal 2021 budget, approved last September, assumed...dailyiowan.com
And the only reason Iowa was in this position is because the Big Ten conference took an admirably cautious stance on Covid because too many students we’re unvaccinated etc., and ended all sports for most of a year, from big regenue sports like BB to wrestling to football.
B1G caved and ended up looking silly. Nothing "admirably cautious" about it.
So out of the 1,102 ncaa DI DII and DIII how many do you think don’t use student fees for athletics ?
I said “Almost Every”.
40/1102 = maybe 3% don’t?
If you look upwards, you'll see the point flying over your head.
I didn't argue that the student fee was fair. I didn't argue that the student fee was reasonable. The OP referred to it as a "scandal" and cited the article as proof. Yet, the article's author interviewed one student who had no problem with the arrangement. Thus, referring to that article as proof of some sort of "scandal" is garbage. And if the author of the article wanted to write a story about some sort of "scandal," that person couldn't find a single UCF student/alum who would go on record stating he/she didn't like the arrangement?
If the OP wants to cite the article and claim that $172/semester per student to support athletics programs at UCF is unfair, "parasitic," "vampiric" or some other loaded adjective, he could have done so. He went beyond that level of argument and claimed that the article was proof of some sort of "scandal." The article doesn't support that conclusion. Not even close. Jerry Sandusky molesting athletes in the PSU showers and a potential cover-up is a legitimate "scandal." Larry Nassar's sexual abuse of female athletes at MSU is a scandal. OSU's athletic trainer fondling wrestlers and Jim Jordan's potential knowledge and cover-up is a legitimate "scandal." Student fees going to supporting athletics a "scandal?" C'mon. I'll take overstatements for $500, Alex.
Nearly every university in the state of Florida charges some level of student fees to support athletics, including Florida State. Wake me up when that backlash starts. (FWIW, OP's article was dated in 2017; in those 4 years has there been the predicted "backlash" at UCF?)
I distinctly remember those ESPN commercials where they showed individuals talking out of their "ass."
Are the University of Georgia, University of Florida, Florida State University and Auburn "smaller less sustainable program?" Or, do all of these universities report greater athletic department revenues than the University of Iowa?
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1. The Bloomberg article cited the debt levels for 8 of the 10 Big 12 institutions. It did not provide debt levels for TCU and Baylor since they are private schools.
2. Nothing in that article suggested that Texas' "debt" placed it in "trouble."
3. Nothing in that article suggested that any Big 12 institution was in "trouble."
4. The article quotes the AD at KSU who affirmed that they don't take on debt for any athletic program other than football and basketball. It was insinuated that such an approach was prudent and reasonable. It did not suggest that KSU's debt level placed it in "trouble."
5. The article focused on UC-Berkeley. Notably, all of the current Big 12 public institutions generate higher revenues for their ADs than UC-Berkeley and 7 of the 8 have debt levels at or lower than 25% of UC-Berkeley's situation. Texas is about 50% of UC-Berkeley's debt level and Texas is a cash cow.
Suggesting that the Bloomberg article can be somehow construed as a "profile" of the Big 12, let alone concluding that Big 12 institutions are in "debt level" trouble is a blatant misrepresentation.
I'm not gonna argue that its definitely not a scandal, agreed on all counts there. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not its harmless. 1 student doesn't speak for a population, my own experience at a similarly set up college was a decent amount of resentment of the policy, and very, very little support. A necessary evil of sorts.
OP might need a lesson in exaggeration, but at the end of the day he's just stating an opinion that it is very wrong in his eyes (and mine) to saddle students with the burden of financing their athletic programs. Those are funds that could be used to support those students, instead being allocated to something that benefits a student very little. Especially when it doesn't even come close to guaranteeing you a spot at a football game.
I stand by the fact that it is a scummy practice and most likely unsustainable. The national student debt conversation is not going away any time soon. It's barely getting started. Objective people will begin to notice the millions and millions of dollars of student debt siphoned into college athletics. Is it a scandal, no. Will the political pressure someday bring it to a merciful end? I hope so.
100% in line with you, Drummer.True, but religions have no corner on bizarre beliefs today. I just don't like seeing any person or group attacked with broad stereotypes, especially when they're doing others no harm.
Everything related to ISU excepted... of course.
Omg. The scandal is that instruction and research budgets have been slashed while athletics has been spending like crazy and running up deficits and debts. And anytime an AD claims to have earned $8M in revenue when in reality they lost something like $30M, it is most definitely yet another SCANDAL.
and it is vampiric to charge students mandatory fees for athletics. Just like it is vampiric not to allow NCAA athletes to use their NIL to help fund their education, whether or not they’re on scholarship.
The b12 was the only conference profiled as a conference in that entire article. Where did I ever say it was the only thing profiled? In fact i said it gave a “national perspective” on debt.
numbers are numbers. Dollars are dollars. Look at the friggin bar graph, mr pollard apologist and clone clone. That bar graph of all the debt held by b12 members is surprising. The b12 was already shaky then, and is much much worse now.
only the B10 and SEC have the tv revenue to warrant debt-financed major upgrades. Everyone else is either running on fumes or straight up gambling, or both.
You want to see a gross representation, if not outright lie?
Go to the usatoday list of revenues. Click on Cincinnati. There is a column for student fees, which is nothing but zeros. The "school funds" column is most recently at $29M, and it is primarily student fees.
****ing lies.
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Go to the usatoday list of revenues. Click on Cincinnati. There is a column for student fees, which is nothing but zeros. The "school funds" column is most recently at $29M, and it is primarily student fees.
****ing lies.
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I'll borrow one of your favorite lines - "provide a link."
You were the one who claimed that there is a scandal at UCF because of the student fees. Please show me a single "instruction" and/or "research" budget item that has been "slashed" because of athletics spending at that university.
Harp on Cincinnati's financial situation all you want. Call it a "scandal" if you want. I don't give a rat's ass. There's certainly "smoke" there.
But, I'll point out BS when I read BS. You've conflated what is happening at Cincinnati with what might/might not be going on at UCF. It is eminently clear that it is agenda-driven argument and your repeated exaggerative and misleading claims are designed to promote that particular agenda.
As for your claim that I am a Pollard apologist, thank you for the belly laugh. My posts on this site have repeatedly characterized him as a carnival barker who is fixated on the so-called TOE. There's very little that I could say positive about the guy. His personality traits are traits that I find incredibly distasteful. I can't be certain as to whether Pollard's "we are now the bear" comment or Moos' "we had to assess where Iowa was as a program" comment wins the "I'm The Biggest AD D----Bag" Award. I can't stand the guy.
But, I'm also not going to criticize someone simply for the sake of criticism. OU and UT dealt the Irate8 a shit sandwich. Adding the 4 schools is the best thing that the Big 12 could have done under the circumstances. And, to be frank, concluding that the Big 12 will be "more competitive" than ever is, IMO, accurate. It doesn't tell the whole picture but it is likely accurate. And, be objective, his job as AD is to promote the university and its current situation. His job isn't to get in front of a podium and act like Bill Paxton in Aliens and proclaim "Game over man. Game over. We're screwed."
In the last 19 years, the Big 12 has had the following championship teams in football: Oklahoma (13 with one shared championship), Texas (2), Kansas State (2, with one shared championship), Baylor (2, with one shared), Oklahoma State (1) and TCU (1 shared). Thus, I fully anticipate that the Big 12 will not be so dominated by one school and, as a result, will be more competitive. As for men's basketball, it will be a very competitive and solid conference.
With the caveat that UC may be trying to "hide" the amount that students pay towards athletics, here is what I found on its website regarding the fees that are charged to the students as would be itemized on a university billing statement: https://www.uc.edu/bursar/fees/bill_descriptions.html
Of the items listed, it would appear that the "Campus Life Fee" covers athletics (my best guess). I note that UC represents on its website that the "Campus Life Fee" is voted on and approved by the student body.
I'm thinking that because UC is private, it does not need to report "student fees" in the same way as public institutions and, thus, it is likely bundling support for athletic programs with other campus entertainment activities.
That's my best guess.
FWIW.
Seat donations must end up in contributions for footballYou want to see a gross representation, if not outright lie?
Go to the usatoday list of revenues. Click on Cincinnati. There is a column for student fees, which is nothing but zeros. The "school funds" column is most recently at $29M, and it is primarily student fees.
****ing lies.
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Which are the most profitable college athletic programs in the country? See a ranked listed, including total revenue and expenses. Brought to you by USA TODAY.
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Lets focus on your Florida diatribe. You clearly lack objectivity.Florida has led the nation in Covid deaths in recent months, per capita and sometimes in actual numbers, even after we’ve had a vaccine widely available for months, one which was not available when the first major outbreak happened in New York City, our most international and densely and highly populated city. Anti Vaxxers are dying. And putting everyone else in danger when anti science politicians force everyone to deal with dangerous anti vaxxers who continue to make Covid the greatest public health disaster in over a century.
This article cites the consensus of climate scientists. Water levels have risen one foot since 1900 and five inches since 1993. See a trend? salt water is corroding porous limestone under buildings. Etc.
As Miami Keeps Building, Rising Seas Deepen Its Social Divide
Ignoring sea level rise and intensifying flooding, Miami has continued to build luxury real estate near the water at a rapid pace. But as developers eye higher ground, communities of color will likely bear the heaviest burden from the changes wrought by climate change.e360.yale.edu
and as for climatic and oceanographic data - I’m citing science; which is based on facts, math, physics. You can observe the rate of polar ice cap melt and Greenland ice melt etc and you can do math and calculate how much water is melting and will melt as
and then that water goes where?
Miami will be underwater within decades. It’s now inevitable. Ice melt is baked into the system even if we stop all CO2 emissions today.
have you studied physics or do you just ignore it?
global heating is, tragically, actually happening, no matter what the corporate shills on Fox News tell you.
read the actual science. Not the propaganda.
but back to the point - Florida’s growth is limited and will trend in the opposite direction as people are forced to move due to man made hazards from horrible Covid management to natural disasters exacerbated by anthropogenic climate change.
no emotion here other then a sickening feeling that some people prefer magical thinking over facts, science, epidemiology, physics.
but back to the facts and numbers about UCF, UH, Uc, and BYU….
1. It is one of the most populated states in the USA, so of course it is going to likely have a high absolute number of deaths. Just like California, Texas, NY, etc.
2. Florida has the 2nd highest percentage of seniors in the U.S. (one tenth of a point behind Maine), which creates headwinds other states do not have
3. Florida has THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF VACCINATED SENIORS (65+) in the entire country at 99.9%
4. Lockdowns are not supported by science and have been proven by dozens of studies that show that the negative effect of depression, suicide, alcoholism, lack of cancer screenings, job loss far outweigh any marginal impact on "slowing" the spread
5. Actually, natural immunity (which the Biden administration and the MSM fail to highlight much at all) has proven to be MORE effective than the vaccine.
Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections
Background Reports of waning vaccine-induced immunity against COVID-19 have begun to surface. With that, the comparable long-term protection conferred by previous infection with SARS-CoV-2 remains unclear. Methods We conducted a retrospective observational study comparing three groups...
Protection against Delta: Comparing vaccines and natural immunity
Researchers in Israel have compared the relatively long-term protection of natural immunity with that acquired from a COVID-19 vaccine.
www.medicalnewstoday.com
As for the climate. Yes, it is constantly changing, it always has and always will. Is man having an impact? Yes, but far less than what we are being told. There are too many Propogandist/Journalists, Politicians and Academics who want to keep getting their funding screaming about this catastrophe.
Here is an alternative view of the science. Which is constantly evolvinig. Science is never settled. That is the point of science!!!
Do you know how many times leftists have predicted climate catastophre? Its comical.
Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions - Competitive Enterprise Institute
Modern doomsayers have been predicting climate and environmental disaster since the 1960s. They continue to do so today. None of the apocalyptic predictions with due dates as of today have come true. What follows is a collection of notably wild predictions from notable people in government and...
cei.org
Complete BSMoving to Florida, which leads the country in Covid deaths, where buildings collapse and hurricanes flatten and flood and where thousands of square miles of low lying coastline - including all of metro Miami - will be under the ocean in a few decades?
Miami Is the "Most Vulnerable" Coastal City Worldwide
In the next two decades, sea-level rise, storm surge and winds will chew away at Florida’s $1-trillion economy, a new report warnswww.scientificamerican.com
good luck.
What does this have to do with Iowa football? Take this drivel somewhere else.Lets focus on your Florida diatribe. You clearly lack objectivity.
1. It is one of the most populated states in the USA, so of course it is going to likely have a high absolute number of deaths. Just like California, Texas, NY, etc.
2. Florida has the 2nd highest percentage of seniors in the U.S. (one tenth of a point behind Maine), which creates headwinds other states do not have
3. Florida has THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF VACCINATED SENIORS (65+) in the entire country at 99.9%
4. Lockdowns are not supported by science and have been proven by dozens of studies that show that the negative effect of depression, suicide, alcoholism, lack of cancer screenings, job loss far outweigh any marginal impact on "slowing" the spread
5. Actually, natural immunity (which the Biden administration and the MSM fail to highlight much at all) has proven to be MORE effective than the vaccine.
Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections
Background Reports of waning vaccine-induced immunity against COVID-19 have begun to surface. With that, the comparable long-term protection conferred by previous infection with SARS-CoV-2 remains unclear. Methods We conducted a retrospective observational study comparing three groups...www.medrxiv.org
Protection against Delta: Comparing vaccines and natural immunity
Researchers in Israel have compared the relatively long-term protection of natural immunity with that acquired from a COVID-19 vaccine.
As for the climate. Yes, it is constantly changing, it always has and always will. Is man having an impact? Yes, but far less than what we are being told. There are too many Propogandist/Journalists, Politicians and Academics who want to keep getting their funding screaming about this catastrophe.
Here is an alternative view of the science. Which is constantly evolvinig. Science is never settled. That is the point of science!!!
Do you know how many times leftists have predicted climate catastophre? Its comical.
Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions - Competitive Enterprise Institute
Modern doomsayers have been predicting climate and environmental disaster since the 1960s. They continue to do so today. None of the apocalyptic predictions with due dates as of today have come true. What follows is a collection of notably wild predictions from notable people in government and...
CluelessHawkeye Athletics deficit lower than initially anticipated
The University of Iowa athletic department’s deficit from the last fiscal year — originally projected to be $74.8 million — was instead listed at $44.7 million on state Board of Regent documents released on Tuesday. The figure comes after the fiscal 2021 budget, approved last September, assumed...
And the only reason Iowa was in this position is because the Big Ten conference took an admirably cautious stance on Covid because too many students we’re unvaccinated etc., and ended all sports for most of a year, from big regenue sports like BB to wrestling to football.
This link has Florida 10th in deaths per capita.
www.worldometers.info
United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
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