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first congrats to those in attendance..considering students gone & bowl game tomorrow..pretty good crowd & vocal when needed.

Wieskamp in attendance.
I could be wrong .. thought Nunge also in..
another kid sitting in recruit section..not sure who..

great game...Michigan is good. Wilson..wow. B1G is going to be a crap shoot....but we have the talent to compete
...what is scary ...we will get better & better & better.
 
I'm liking McCaffery 2.0 quite a bit. Will still take some patience, but wasn't that a four star senior point guard preseason second team All Big Ten guy we just beat?

And it turns out it was the long, lanky guys, that just about did us in. ;)
 
The last 10 seconds of the game with Michigan shooting at the basket seemed to last an eternity. I was just hoping the Hawks could keep them inside the 3 point arc so as not to have disaster strike via a make and a foul shot. I was surreal as I lost track of time and it was not until I heard the Alumni band play the Victory song that I knew we had won!

Great game Hawks and great fan support when needed!
 
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It was a great game. The fans made a difference. If we can ever get a student presence, we will have an excellent home court advantage. Maybe they should have given out 3,000 free tickets to high school kids. know the students are gone, but we could sure use the youthful exuberance and excitement.
 
I really enjoy Fran, seems real, seams pretty honest and will get on guys when they mess up. That he didn't take responsibility for almost losing that game by not calling timeout with the 6 sec shot clock, late in the game, court full of freshmen, is almost inexcusable. Great win, really wanted this one.
 
first congrats to those in attendance..considering students gone & bowl game tomorrow..pretty good crowd & vocal when needed.

Wieskamp in attendance.
I could be wrong .. thought Nunge also in..
another kid sitting in recruit section..not sure who..

great game...Michigan is good. Wilson..wow. B1G is going to be a crap shoot....but we have the talent to compete
...what is scary ...we will get better & better & better.
I agree, and not only is Michigan really good, they are really well coached. But I thought Fran did a tremendous job in this game. Pushed the right buttons at the right time. He has his kids playing really hard and he has convinced them they can and will win. And Cook is some kind of a Monster!!!!!!!
 
It was a great game. The fans made a difference. If we can ever get a student presence, we will have an excellent home court advantage. Maybe they should have given out 3,000 free tickets to high school kids. know the students are gone, but we could sure use the youthful exuberance and excitement.
It was kids night and they were giving out items to kids twelve and under. We had lots of kids in our area as many ticket holders are now in Tampa.
 
Fran... That he didn't take responsibility for almost losing that game by not calling timeout with the 6 sec shot clock, late in the game, court full of freshmen, is almost inexcusable..

Maybe we wants them to grow up and handle it without his help.
 
first congrats to those in attendance..considering students gone & bowl game tomorrow..pretty good crowd & vocal when needed.

Wieskamp in attendance.
I could be wrong .. thought Nunge also in..
another kid sitting in recruit section..not sure who..

great game...Michigan is good. Wilson..wow. B1G is going to be a crap shoot....but we have the talent to compete
...what is scary ...we will get better & better & better.
Wonder who the other recruit was. Wilson was stupid good this game. But we still managed to shut him down when it counted.
 
first congrats to those in attendance..considering students gone & bowl game tomorrow..pretty good crowd & vocal when needed.

Wieskamp in attendance.
I could be wrong .. thought Nunge also in..
another kid sitting in recruit section..not sure who..

great game...Michigan is good. Wilson..wow. B1G is going to be a crap shoot....but we have the talent to compete
...what is scary ...we will get better & better & better.
Was fun to watch at home too. Jok, Baer, Cook, and of course, Mr. Icewater Jordan BOCANNON! :cool: Very proud of Brady as well.:)
 
Agree with everything said. My thoughts:

1. We have a very talented team. When they learn to play defense all time and box out rebounding, they will be a tough team to beat.

2. Love the fact that none of the freshmen are afraid to shoot when open. Need to finish those bunnies around the hoop.

3. Did I mention freethrows? Need to make them.

4. Cook, with more seasoning will be a really special player. Be surprised if he stays four years but hope for at least three.

5. By March, Iowa will be a feared team.
 
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Agree with everything said. My thoughts:

1. We have a very talented team. When they learn to play defense all time and box out rebounding, they will be a tough team to beat.

2. Love the fact that none of the freshmen are afraid to shoot when open. Need to finish those bunnies around the hoop.

3. Did I mention freethrows? Need to make them.

4. Cook, with more seasoning will be a really special player. Be surprised if he stays four years but hope for at least three.

5. By March, Iowa will be a feared team.
Do like the talent we have. Agree, the lack of boxing out is troublesome. But then we actually won the board battle 42-39 even with Wilson getting 14. CP and TC got 8 apiece. Those two do need to spend a lot of time practicing FTs because they are going to get fouled a lot. They are dragging down our FT% from something that would be rather respectable. Agree the lack of fear in the frosh is refreshing. Love Cook's talent, but his consistency and D have got to be a lot better before thinking pro ball. And he needs to be an outside threat at his height too- something he's capable of but not even close to being consistent at. As long as these guys stay fearless, they'll be feared before March.
 
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My thoughts.....free throws almost cost us the game......and at the end won it for us as well. Fun game and super proud of our Hawks.
 
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I really enjoy Fran, seems real, seams pretty honest and will get on guys when they mess up. That he didn't take responsibility for almost losing that game by not calling timeout with the 6 sec shot clock, late in the game, court full of freshmen, is almost inexcusable. Great win, really wanted this one.

You want Fran to take responsibility for 'almost losing' a game? What about taking responsibility for the win instead?

If there is one thing we've learned about Fran after 7 years at Iowa, is he isn't going to use timeouts down the stretch, not with a senior laden team and not with a roster full of first and second year players. He is what he is, at least he is consistent.

I'm not sure how good UM is this year, they seem to be down talent wise, but this was a great win nonetheless. Hopefully the Hawks can steal one on the road Thursday against a team that has two incredible road wins to start out conference play.
 
Maybe we wants them to grow up and handle it without his help.
Except he did the same thing the last two years with juniors and seniors. Pretty sad when the players are looking at the bench expecting a TO and get nothing from Fran. It shows his lack of ability to coach the last four minutes of a game
 
Except he did the same thing the last two years with juniors and seniors. Pretty sad when the players are looking at the bench expecting a TO and get nothing from Fran. It shows his lack of ability to coach the last four minutes of a game

No it doesn't show his lack of ability to coach, it shows his confidence in his players, and their ability to execute in a game situation, what they have practiced, over and over and over again.
 
Except he did the same thing the last two years with juniors and seniors. Pretty sad when the players are looking at the bench expecting a TO and get nothing from Fran. It shows his lack of ability to coach the last four minutes of a game
Myself being a basketball coach, like other coaches, we are always looking for statistical truths to justify different situations. Calling a timeout in late game situations when either tied or one bucket from the win is one of them. It is something that has been researched extensively.....and the conclusion is YOU and your take on Fran LACK of ABILITY to coach in the last four minutes is garbage. Read below Einstein and don't quit your day job...

In the case of teams with the ball when the score is tied, the data clearly show that it is more effective not to call timeout. In my 2009-2010 dataset, 452 teams fit the above criteria. 235 of those teams called timeout, 217 did not. Of the teams that called timeout, only 35.7 percent scored on the subsequent possession. Teams that did not call timeout scored 53.0 percent of the time. A simple two sample t-test with unequal variances shows that this difference is strongly statistically significant (p=0.0002). A logistic regression with timeouts as the independent variable and whether the team scored as the dependent variable showed that calling a timeout was a significant predictor of successfully scoring (p<0.001) and that teams that did not call timeout were twice as likely to score as teams that did.

That is a Grand Canyon difference in that statistic....but what do facts prove. Remember Fran is a billion times smarter than me and you....that will make your day easier to handle. Most coaches over-coach game situations from Jr High to the Pros. You see in baseball the pitching changes to ridiculousness. You see the Chip Kelley's of the football world get exposed for the silliness of the "New" offense that has been around since the beginning of football. Basketball coaches that over coach in games tend to lose more than win. If you remember Iowa was down 7 with about 8 to play and he stayed with the lineup that was hot. They came back...got the lead and then won it in OT...but it is cool to be "THE COACH SUCKS" guy.

But keep bashing the coaches at the office because that make you feel cool around the head-nodders.
 
Myself being a basketball coach, like other coaches, we are always looking for statistical truths to justify different situations. Calling a timeout in late game situations when either tied or one bucket from the win is one of them. It is something that has been researched extensively.....and the conclusion is YOU and your take on Fran LACK of ABILITY to coach in the last four minutes is garbage. Read below Einstein and don't quit your day job...

In the case of teams with the ball when the score is tied, the data clearly show that it is more effective not to call timeout. In my 2009-2010 dataset, 452 teams fit the above criteria. 235 of those teams called timeout, 217 did not. Of the teams that called timeout, only 35.7 percent scored on the subsequent possession. Teams that did not call timeout scored 53.0 percent of the time. A simple two sample t-test with unequal variances shows that this difference is strongly statistically significant (p=0.0002). A logistic regression with timeouts as the independent variable and whether the team scored as the dependent variable showed that calling a timeout was a significant predictor of successfully scoring (p<0.001) and that teams that did not call timeout were twice as likely to score as teams that did.

That is a Grand Canyon difference in that statistic....but what do facts prove. Remember Fran is a billion times smarter than me and you....that will make your day easier to handle. Most coaches over-coach game situations from Jr High to the Pros. You see in baseball the pitching changes to ridiculousness. You see the Chip Kelley's of the football world get exposed for the silliness of the "New" offense that has been around since the beginning of football. Basketball coaches that over coach in games tend to lose more than win. If you remember Iowa was down 7 with about 8 to play and he stayed with the lineup that was hot. They came back...got the lead and then won it in OT...but it is cool to be "THE COACH SUCKS" guy.

But keep bashing the coaches at the office because that make you feel cool around the head-nodders.

Woof.
 
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Myself being a basketball coach, like other coaches, we are always looking for statistical truths to justify different situations. Calling a timeout in late game situations when either tied or one bucket from the win is one of them. It is something that has been researched extensively.....and the conclusion is YOU and your take on Fran LACK of ABILITY to coach in the last four minutes is garbage. Read below Einstein and don't quit your day job...

In the case of teams with the ball when the score is tied, the data clearly show that it is more effective not to call timeout. In my 2009-2010 dataset, 452 teams fit the above criteria. 235 of those teams called timeout, 217 did not. Of the teams that called timeout, only 35.7 percent scored on the subsequent possession. Teams that did not call timeout scored 53.0 percent of the time. A simple two sample t-test with unequal variances shows that this difference is strongly statistically significant (p=0.0002). A logistic regression with timeouts as the independent variable and whether the team scored as the dependent variable showed that calling a timeout was a significant predictor of successfully scoring (p<0.001) and that teams that did not call timeout were twice as likely to score as teams that did.

That is a Grand Canyon difference in that statistic....but what do facts prove. Remember Fran is a billion times smarter than me and you....that will make your day easier to handle. Most coaches over-coach game situations from Jr High to the Pros. You see in baseball the pitching changes to ridiculousness. You see the Chip Kelley's of the football world get exposed for the silliness of the "New" offense that has been around since the beginning of football. Basketball coaches that over coach in games tend to lose more than win. If you remember Iowa was down 7 with about 8 to play and he stayed with the lineup that was hot. They came back...got the lead and then won it in OT...but it is cool to be "THE COACH SUCKS" guy.

But keep bashing the coaches at the office because that make you feel cool around the head-nodders.

What was stat for going iso and putting ball in Gesell's hands for last shot last year? Other than the air ball assist vs temple, I don't recall a lot of successful outcomes.
 
What was stat for going iso and putting ball in Gesell's hands for last shot last year? Other than the air ball assist vs temple, I don't recall a lot of successful outcomes.
Keep couch coaching...I will take Fran and his NCAA birth and 20+ wins
 
Maybe we wants them to grow up and handle it without his help.

Yep. That's how you build championship caliber teams.

In MLB, that's how the Atlanta Braves developed core pitching talent back in their heydays - keep those guys in during tough middle innings and let them figure it out instead of always bailing them out with a reliever. That's how they ended up building a dynasty of a pitching staff for a while there.

I'm sure we could've pulled out 1 or 2 earlier games this year, if winning back then was the primary focus, but Fran is trying to build capability, and that means spending time teaching and working on aspects of the game you are weak in. You lose a few earlier games so that your team is prepared in the late season to win big games.
 
First fun game yesterday. Not sure we come back and win that game last year with an all senior team. These young guys are refreshing, but they'll be maddening sometimes as well. I know Fran wants to win now, and he'll coach that way as well, but I think he's looking down the road as well. This team should get better, and better the next several years. It should be a fun ride.
 
In the case of teams with the ball when the score is tied, the data clearly show that it is more effective not to call timeout. In my 2009-2010 dataset, 452 teams fit the above criteria. 235 of those teams called timeout, 217 did not. Of the teams that called timeout, only 35.7 percent scored on the subsequent possession. Teams that did not call timeout scored 53.0 percent of the time. A simple two sample t-test with unequal variances shows that this difference is strongly statistically significant (p=0.0002). A logistic regression with timeouts as the independent variable and whether the team scored as the dependent variable showed that calling a timeout was a significant predictor of successfully scoring (p<0.001) and that teams that did not call timeout were twice as likely to score as teams that did.

Listen, I never coached and played very little. Your information here is not relative to our situation this weekend. What are the numbers when the clock is already stopped? What about when the score is not tied? What about when a team just needs to get the ball inbounds? Where is the data that shows when a freshman pg is running the show? What about the times when a team wants to get fouled, run clock, get a rebound, not really to score? The data given is not the situation from Sunday, we did not necessarily need to score, we needed to inbounds the ball. My team needed a timeout, I felt it and I saw it and our coach didn't use one of 3 that he still had, I think we were lucky it didn't cost us a game. For the record, I'm a big fan of Fran and respect him very much.
 
In the case of teams with the ball when the score is tied, the data clearly show that it is more effective not to call timeout. In my 2009-2010 dataset, 452 teams fit the above criteria. 235 of those teams called timeout, 217 did not. Of the teams that called timeout, only 35.7 percent scored on the subsequent possession. Teams that did not call timeout scored 53.0 percent of the time. A simple two sample t-test with unequal variances shows that this difference is strongly statistically significant (p=0.0002). A logistic regression with timeouts as the independent variable and whether the team scored as the dependent variable showed that calling a timeout was a significant predictor of successfully scoring (p<0.001) and that teams that did not call timeout were twice as likely to score as teams that did.

Listen, I never coached and played very little. Your information here is not relative to our situation this weekend. What are the numbers when the clock is already stopped? What about when the score is not tied? What about when a team just needs to get the ball inbounds? Where is the data that shows when a freshman pg is running the show? What about the times when a team wants to get fouled, run clock, get a rebound, not really to score? The data given is not the situation from Sunday, we did not necessarily need to score, we needed to inbounds the ball. My team needed a timeout, I felt it and I saw it and our coach didn't use one of 3 that he still had, I think we were lucky it didn't cost us a game. For the record, I'm a big fan of Fran and respect him very much.
WestHawk...appreciate the questions, but it does apply here. Statistical proofs are just that. Coaches are looking for the mathematical advantage. Iowa calling a timeout give the opponent just as much of an opportunity to adjust to the situation. Playing-on was the right thing to do. Just remember what you "felt" means nothing. Fran liked the matchup that was on the court and did not want Michigan to have a chance to change it. Do get into coaching...you have way too many "felts" than you could imagine.
 
Can coaches call timeouts during live play this season?
We know the players can if they are THAT confused and lost looking towards the bench for help (as was claimed above). I doubt Fran is going to get too upset if a player uses one of their three TOs with under two minutes if they were that lost.
 
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