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Beathard ranked as 3rd best QB prospect by McShay

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McShay came out with his top QB prospects and had Deshaun Watson at #1 with a grade of 88. Brad Kaaya of Miami was #2 with a grade of 87. CJ Beathard was #3 with a grade of 75. Comments on Beathard below:

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3. C.J. Beathard, Iowa

Grade: 75

Beathard showed great toughness and leadership last season, as he played through injury and led the Hawkeyes to a Rose Bowl berth. He can drive the ball vertically with his quick, compact delivery and has the quickness to slide in the pocket to elude pressure. If Beathard continues to improve his footwork, he could be an early-round pick in 2017.

Others listed were Luke Falk (Washington State), Chad Kelly (Ole Miss), Mitch Leidner (Minnesota), Baker Mayfield (Oklahoma), Mason Rudolph (Oklahoma State), Gunner Kiel (Cincy), and Seth Russell (Baylor).
 
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But, but Mitchy...? And this can't be cuz Kiel was a five star I think? Or maybe he was just the #1 QB prospect....anyway good for CJ. Falk could end up the first guy off the board...has the tools.
 
I would say Ohio State has the best QB in the B1G if you're talking most effective in college and for his team. All he will need to do is make plays with his feet and hit the wide open 5 star athlete through the air. But he lacks arm strength and size to be mentioned on any NFL Draft projections right now. As of now, JT projects as an athlete or a late round pick at QB.
 
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The NFL is all above arm strength and I think CJ is lacking there. I hope I'm wrong but I'm seeing a backup at best.
 
If this is McShay's personal evaluation, I find it hard to give it much credibility. Earlier this summer, he predicted Mitch Leidner going in the first round.

If this is McShay reporting what he's heard from scouts, then I could give it some credibility.
 
QChawks said:
The NFL is all above arm strength and I think CJ is lacking there. I hope I'm wrong but I'm seeing a backup at best.
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CJ absolutely is not lacking arm strength. The knocks on him are that he's a little short (listed at 6' 2" which isn't bad, but when competing to be the top ranked QB in a class it isn't helpful), and while he does have terrific arm strength, he needs to do better when attacking downfield. There was a good article posted here a month or two ago which analyzed CJ's passes over 15-20 yards and I believe it showed that he was less aggressive than most top QBs and that his completion percentage was just average when compared to other college QBs for the same distance.

Now, some of this could likely be due to the fact that CJ hasn't had great WRs to work with. Tevaun Smith was pretty good, but there was a reason he went undrafted despite his impressive 40 times. Vandeberg is also pretty good, but he is better with short-to-intermediate routs. Even so, there were a few notable passes that CJ missed downfield last year. For example, in the 4th quarter of the Pitt game I believe he overthrew an open receiver which could have put the game away. Some of his downfield passing issues could have been partially attributable to injury, and I do believe CJ has the ability to be a very accurate downfield passer. If he can improve on those numbers, then he could very well be drafted in the first two rounds.
 
DarkThunder#61 said:
The #3 prospect is 12 points lower than #2? Okay.
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McShay rates prospects on an absolute scale. So CJ is not a 75 as compared to this QB class, but a 75 according to the NFL template. This method allows McShay to evaluate prospects across the years, and each year against others.
 
PHXIowaClub said:
I would say Ohio State has the best QB in the B1G if you're talking most effective in college and for his team. All he will need to do is make plays with his feet and hit the wide open 5 star athlete through the air. But he lacks arm strength and size to be mentioned on any NFL Draft projections right now. As of now, JT projects as an athlete or a late round pick at QB.
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This. Big difference in being an effective college QB versus NFL prospect. When it's run effectively and to its max, the read-option is damn near impossible to shut down. It's impossible to compare Beathard to Barrett. Both, however, are very effective in their systems. Could be wrong, but I actually expect Barrett to return for the 2017 season.
 
since 2010... 16 Quarterbacks have been drafted in the First Round.
4 of those 16 have been 6'2" or shorter.

Johnny Manziel (6-0) Texas A&M - Cleveland Browns (2014)
Teddy Bridgewater (6-2) Louisville - Minnesota Vikings (2014)
Robert Griffin (6-2) Baylor - Washington Redskins (2012)
Christian Ponder (6-2) Florida State - Minnesota Vikings (2011)

FWIW Brett Favre was 6'2"
Doug Flutie was 5'10"
Aaron Rodgers 6'2"
Jim McMahon was 6'1"
Joe Theismann 6'0"
Joe Montana 6'2"

it could be argued that 6'2" is the perfect height for a Quarterback playing in the NFL
 
Packer54 said:
60 yd strike (in the air) and keep in mind with his injury it makes it tonight to throw and get as much power on the throw. Hope for him to have a healthy season but he seems like the type that can certainly play at the next level. He will get his shot no doubt.
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there's a good chance we see a Rudock vs Beathard matchup in a few years.
 
fifteenandoh said:
since 2010... 16 Quarterbacks have been drafted in the First Round.
4 of those 16 have been 6'2" or shorter.

Johnny Manziel (6-0) Texas A&M - Cleveland Browns (2014)
Teddy Bridgewater (6-2) Louisville - Minnesota Vikings (2014)
Robert Griffin (6-2) Baylor - Washington Redskins (2012)
Christian Ponder (6-2) Florida State - Minnesota Vikings (2011)

FWIW Brett Favre was 6'2"
Doug Flutie was 5'10"
Aaron Rodgers 6'2"
Jim McMahon was 6'1"
Joe Theismann 6'0"
Joe Montana 6'2"

it could be argued that 6'2" is the perfect height for a Quarterback playing in the NFL
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Aside from Rodgers and farve, the other past greats u referenced played in eras where offensive linemen weren't averaging 6'5 across the offensive line like it is today. It could easily be argued 6'2 is far from perfect, but certainly doable in today's NFL. CJB has the arm strength, toughness and moxie to have a good shot at the next level and seems to be very accurate on the move and under duress. Plus he seems to have that difficult to gauge 'it' factor where teammates respect and battle for him. we'll see but he seems to have the best shot at the next level of any Iowa QB during the past two decades. Hope he can stay healthy and shine this year.
 
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icantfindausernamethatisntused said:
CJ absolutely is not lacking arm strength. The knocks on him are that he's a little short (listed at 6' 2" which isn't bad, but when competing to be the top ranked QB in a class it isn't helpful), and while he does have terrific arm strength, he needs to do better when attacking downfield. There was a good article posted here a month or two ago which analyzed CJ's passes over 15-20 yards and I believe it showed that he was less aggressive than most top QBs and that his completion percentage was just average when compared to other college QBs for the same distance.

Now, some of this could likely be due to the fact that CJ hasn't had great WRs to work with. Tevaun Smith was pretty good, but there was a reason he went undrafted despite his impressive 40 times. Vandeberg is also pretty good, but he is better with short-to-intermediate routs. Even so, there were a few notable passes that CJ missed downfield last year. For example, in the 4th quarter of the Pitt game I believe he overthrew an open receiver which could have put the game away. Some of his downfield passing issues could have been partially attributable to injury, and I do believe CJ has the ability to be a very accurate downfield passer. If he can improve on those numbers, then he could very well be drafted in the first two rounds.
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I recall J Smith with a lot of separation downfield but forgot to look back. Ball hit him on his right hip. Would have been a TD. I agree that most of his long passes are an issue with receivers.
 
WORTHYWISH said:
I recall J Smith with a lot of separation downfield but forgot to look back. Ball hit him on his right hip. Would have been a TD. I agree that most of his long passes are an issue with receivers.
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I was wrong, hit him in the arm and it wasn't really a long pass. 57:29

 
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Accuracy on the deep ball is more important than the heave itself. Doesn't matter how hard or far you can sling it if it doesn't go to the right spot. As far as height of a QB vs the offensive line, Drew Brees destroys that argument.
 
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fifteenandoh said:
I'm not surprised that somebody might disagree...
if I farted... I'm sure somebody out there would disagree...
but perhaps you would like to give reason for why you disagree?
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I think the chances that both Rudock and Beathard are starting QBs in the NFL is very slim, therefore I disagree with your statement "there's a good chance we see a Rudock vs Beathard matchup in a few years." I think the chances that 1 of them is a starting QB for more than a season is less than 50%. Being a successful QB in the NFL is one of the toughest things to accomplish in sports.
 
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QChawks said:
The NFL is all above arm strength and I think CJ is lacking there. I hope I'm wrong but I'm seeing a backup at best.
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Joe Montana lacked a strong arm, but I think everyone would agree had a decent career . I would take an improvising winner over a strong arm stud any day. I see a lot of Montana's attributes in CJ.
 
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Barring any injuries I think Beathard has a great shot to make someone's 53 man roster(is that what they are?). I think Rudock will be lucky to make a scout team. It has to do with arm strength and leadership.
 
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WORTHYWISH said:
I was wrong, hit him in the arm and it wasn't really a long pass. 57:29

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The specific play I was thinking of was against Pitt, not Indiana. Regardless, there weren't many instances that I can recall that CJ clearly missed a guy downfield, which should say something about his accuracy. As you mentioned before, I agree that his "issues" with completing passes downfield has more to do with his receivers than with CJ.

In general, our WR play last year was average - most of them did a good job of catching the ball as there weren't many drops, but most also struggled to create separation. This year we have some guys with nice potential, but I'm expecting another average year from this WR group, and if they can be at least average, we should have a pretty good offense as that might be our weakest link offensively.
 
terrehawk said:
Beathards going to med school?
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no... I'm actually one of a very few who think Jake Rudock will succeed in the NFL.
I actually thought in 2014 he was the 2nd best Quarterback in the Conference.

I think Jake Rudock will be in the NFL for many years and even start...
I expect the same for CJ Beathard.

people that belittle and demean Rudock are actually doing the same to Beathard.

if Rudock is a stupid little twerp, then what Beathard did was no big deal...

but in reality, CJ Beathard beat out an NFL Quarterback who was a 2 years starter for the school he had 4 years invested in.... I think what Beathard did was a pretty big deal.
 
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