I understand this thought process from Iowa folks but it is for us.
Been a week…….
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Here’s what I know we can all agree on…..baby steps in the right direction are a good start. Not everything has to happen overnight, but, it has to happen. And whatever helps identify and eliminate mass shooting, whether they are in schools or WalMarts are a damn good thing.
It is in the below thread which will also help bring awareness to the @strummingram ban.
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Why can't the baby steps ever be about guns? It's been almost 25 years since Columbine and if anything access to these weapons has gotten easier since then.
But sure...let's spend untold billions turning schools into prisons instead.
Well, they sort of are like prisons. Mandated. A form of tyranny some may say. I’d like to start pulling kids out at 16 to train for the real world. Lots of youngins waste time struggling with outdated subjects. Would be much better off learning skills to put bread on the table.
This is a good idea. Send the kids to a private for profit prison for school. Detention can be solitary confinement. Unruly kids can be sent out of genpop.
My suggestions were about guns……..but, I included security measures as well, you know, to be inclusive…….smh
I don't see where I was crapping on your suggestions Mike. I believe that I was complaining about Duval's.
Hmmmm, but, you quoted my post…so I may have assumed you just weren’t happy about slow forward progress
That's a great start. And I know you're a pretty moderate Republican but you also have to know that the Republicans will not budge an inch on any of this. They have pretty much already started planting their feet in the ground. The fact as someone says we have 130K schools in this country and we think we can keep them on lock down at all times is absurd. And we shouldn't have to. Our 6 year olds to 18 year olds should not be afraid of going to school. And as others have stated, what do you do about recess? Do we never let the little kids outside anymore? Mental health resources have been cut everywhere. Sure, most gun owners are responsible. However, not all are. The Sandy Hook guy was able to get the guns out of his parents house. In the end we are a nation w/a huge gun culture. I don't understand it as I grew up a city kid. I've lived in KC and parts of the city that are not the greatest and never felt threatened or felt the need for a gun. Is what it is. What you have stated is very reasonable but when the Republicans actually stand up and say it as well then I'll believe something might happen. If any Republicans actually stand up and say anything they will be admonished by their party. And you know it. It's not a both sides issue. I'm sorry.
I’m not against increasing school safety at all. I’m against acting like that is the only approach to our problems with guns. Raise the age, institute red flag laws nationwide, require a database. Did you know that Florida’s red flag law has been used 6,000 times? I have to believe those laws when properly enforced have saved lives.
What kind of increased security measures are you proposing?
I'm not happy about slow progress when it's ignoring guns.
I commented on Duval's post, you replied, and I responded.
I didn't crap on your original suggestions but you came in to support Duval's, which I think are missing the point.
Whole lotta "I thinks" and "I feels" in that list....lets just pick one: How do you prevent Red Flags from being used as a vengeful/retaliatory tactic?
I think in theory most schools lock all their doors anymore, but students and teachers enter and exit different doors for different activities. For example, one door is the entry, one is to the playground, one might be to a portable classroom, one is to the teacher's parking lot, etc. An alarm sounds like a good idea, but in practice there would some problems.
What happens with the school security personnel are cowards like Marjory Stoneman Douglas
This thread is exactly what happens in America. We’ve had Tulsa and others and nobody cares because we let 50 people stop the will of the people. It just bums me out.
Thank you for recognizing that I’m a moderate Republican. And I appreciate the candid response. You aren’t wrong on much of it.
the part I hope you are wrong on is the not budging part! I’m hopeful, but not delusional
I don't think anyone being reasonable is against these types of measures, but considering the overwhelming contempt for public schools and teachers in some GOP dominated echo chambers, how seriously would this be implemented once the proletariat sees the price tag involved? We can't even muster adequate funding and reasonable COLAs for our public schools now.
That's easy - it would be illegal to do so. If you are found to have raised a red flag on someone without any merit you can be held criminally and civilly liable.
This is absolutely the case. With this heightened awareness every place will have tighter scrutiny on their security but after a while it will cease. I'm all for having much better systems in place to secure all of our schools, but to think those will be anywhere near foolproof is foolish. Much more has to be done.
My conservative farmer FIL and BIL both believe some gun control needs to be put in put in place. And they live in Greene County (bastion of far right).
Even if you are righty, which I have no problem with, you need to contact your legislators and refuse to make campaign donations.
This should not be a left vs. right debate. This should be about how we save American lives.
Even if you are righty, which I have no problem with, you need to contact your legislators and refuse to make campaign donations.
This should not be a left vs. right debate. This should be about how we save American lives.
Lol - you're suggesting not to have a law because someone might no obey it. That's dumb.totally works. Nobody breaks any laws
You put the red flag laws in place that include provisions to help prevent them from being used maliciously.
OK, I'll try once more. If you are found to have raised a red flag on someone without any merit you can be held criminally and civilly liable.
Your position is akin to someone saying "we can't allow people to bring lawsuits against someone else because they might be unwarranted".
If there’s one things we know, prisons provide a lovely, healthy, nurturing environment. I bet all violent behavior would poof disappear from society altogether in no time.
Officially, I’m pretty sure this “supposed” to be the case already once the opening bell rings. In practice we know that schools don’t always follow this. The sad part is they don’t for usually pretty innocuous reasons - quick run out to the car for something, improve ventilation (especially in older buildings with no or crappy AC).
hopefully, one of the lessons schools learn from Uvalde is that schools make sure all non-main entrance doors are secured once the school day starts. It sucks, but teachers have to accept they can’t return to status quo.
They can at least
Duval County is taking steps toward doing it in Florida. GOP mayor and governor.
