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Biden in 1992: President should wait to fill any Supreme Court vacancies until after election

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During a 1992 Senate floor speech, Joe Biden said President George H.W. Bush should wait to fill any Supreme Court vacancies until after the presidential election.

“It is my view that if a Supreme Court Justice resigns tomorrow or within the next several weeks or resigns at the end of the summer, President Bush should consider following the practice of a majority of his predecessors and not, and not name a nominee until after the November election is completed,” Biden said at the time.

CSPAN on Monday posted a clip of the vice president’s remarks, given when Biden was serving as a Democratic senator from Delaware. The floor comments were made on June 25, months before the 1992 presidential election.

http://thehill.com/regulation/court...-scotus-nominee-should-be-delayed-until-after
 
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In 1992 Joe Biden was a Senator from Delaware. He was free to have any individual opinion he wanted then or now.
Currently the President of the United States is Barack Obama, twice elected by the people. He is duty bound to fulfill his duties laid out by the Constitution of the United States.
 
In 1992 Joe Biden was a Senator from Delaware. He was free to have any individual opinion he wanted then or now.
Currently the President of the United States is Barack Obama, twice elected by the people. He is duty bound to fulfill his duties laid out by the Constitution of the United States.

Was ol' Joe not correct when he cited the precedent of other presidents who declined to nominate a justice during such a window of time?
 
Who cares? It's not like it will matter in the end.

If Hillary wins, she will nominate and the repugnant-ones will approve a 'liberal' justice that is nothing but a whore for his/her corporate overlords.

If Trum/Cruz/Rubio wins, they will nominate and the demon-rats will help approve a 'conservative' justice perfectly willing and able to whore themselves out to their masters.

In the end the republic loses and the constitution remains but a piece of toilet paper for us sheep.:)
 
February = June?:confused:
Why does February vs June matter? There was still nearly 7 months left in Bush's presidency. That's more than enough time to hold hearings and take a vote. It takes an average of less than a month for most nominees and the process has never taken more than 4 months. Plus, Bush was a first-term POTUS. We know that no matter what happens this coming election, Barack Obama will no longer be POTUS. Bush still had the possibility of being re-elected.

Furthermore, what was the point of Biden's speech anyway? There wasn't even a vacancy on the court at that time. Why was he being a dick about something that was purely hypothetical unless it was for douchebag partisan purposes?
 
Furthermore, what was the point of Biden's speech anyway? There wasn't even a vacancy on the court at that time. Why was he being a dick about something that was purely hypothetical unless it was for douchebag partisan purposes?
It was for partisan purposes. I think this has been established.
 
Why don't Rs relish the opportunity to Bork the Obama nominee? Its sort of weird that Rs want to run from this opportunity. If I was a conservative I would love to stand on the floor and make speeches about how liberal the Obama justice was and grill them all day over abortion and gays and guns.

The Rs are playing this all wrong. They should be going big and turning this into a circus. If they did, they could essentially make this election the one that could overturn Roe v Wade. That would drive the base like no other.
 
It's all bluster at this point. If Obama nominates a legitimate candidate and the senate refuses to even consider this person, then let's talk.

How would the GOP define a "legitimate candidate". Outside of a right leaning nomination the Rs will piss and moan and obstruct.
 
I's worth noting that Biden's comments were with just over 3 months left in GHWB's term (about the time it takes for a confirmation), as opposed to nearly a full year like is the case now.
 
Joe has spoken, they need to wait until after the election.


If you're a Republican under pressure — or concerned about vulnerable blue-state GOP incumbents being under pressure — for considering holding up Obama's to-be-determined pick, what Biden said would seem to be pretty damning stuff.

But in the end, the vice president's past words probably don't fundamentally shift the high-stakes debate.

Here's how Biden defends it: He says he was speaking about a hypothetical (there was no court vacancy at the time). He was also speaking in June of an election year — not February — which is around the time something called the Thurmond Rule has traditionally kicked in. (Though congressional experts say the Thurmond Rule is less an actual rule and more of a guideline that both parties call on when politically expedient on when the Senate can shut down the judicial confirmation process.)

[The 5 ways Senate Republicans are talking about the Supreme Court vacancy]

But the real reason Biden's comments probably won't give Republicans the edge is that there was likely never going to be a consensus among the American people on this anyway. And there's too much gray area in his comments for this to be seen as a game-changer.

A recent NBC-Wall Street Journal poll found that Americans are split evenly on whether the Senate should vote on Obama's pick or wait until next year. Dig deeper into the results and you'll see there's little room for that number to change. A full 81 percent of Democrats polled say the Senate should consider Obama's pick — the same percentage of Republicans polled who say the Senate should wait to consider the next president's pick.

In other words, Americans view this Supreme Court battle through the same lens they view most events in Washington these days — through their politics.

What Biden's 1992 comments show more than anything is that politicians do the same, especially when it comes to the forever that is approving a president's Supreme Court nomination.

There are a handful of examples of major players in the Senate appearing to flip-flop — depending on the president doing the nominating — on whether the Senate can and should block Supreme Court nominations in an election year, including Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). As we noted, though, not all of the examples are so clearly self-contradictory. As in Biden's case, questions are raised of when this no-nominees period should begin and whether the Senate shouldn't confirm any justices or simply should be extra-selective in doing so.

Still, what today's players said yesterday doesn't seem to have changed a significant number of people's minds, if any at all.

"You can have all the competing quotes you want," Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) said on the Senate floor Tuesday morning. "They amount to nothing."

Schumer was making the case, according to polls from Pew Research Center and Fox News, that a majority of Americans (between 56 and 62 percent) think the Senate should vote on Obama's pick. But Schumer's broader point about Biden stands: When there's so much discrepancy on both sides, it's difficult for one in particular to stand out.

That's why Biden's 1992 comments are less of a watershed moment in today's Supreme Court drama and just one more example of politicians saying things that make political sense at the time.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...mments-arent-a-silver-bullet-for-republicans/
 
Why don't Rs relish the opportunity to Bork the Obama nominee? Its sort of weird that Rs want to run from this opportunity. If I was a conservative I would love to stand on the floor and make speeches about how liberal the Obama justice was and grill them all day over abortion and gays and guns.

The Rs are playing this all wrong. They should be going big and turning this into a circus. If they did, they could essentially make this election the one that could overturn Roe v Wade. That would drive the base like no other.
I would argue that they're already turning it into a circus and shouldn't be. I'm with you, Obama should nominate, and then whatever happens will happen. There's little doubt in my mind both parties would behave the same way on this. I don't really expect a nominee to be confirmed this year, but they need to do their jobs and discuss it. Who knows, maybe Obama does something unprecedented, and doesn't play politics with this one. Maybe it's a moderate everyone can live with. That seems to be a winning scenario for Obama.

Common sense says: Obama is president, he should nominate someone fairly soon. He HAS to have a short list of names on 'his bench' for this.

At the same time, like I said earlier, I've no doubt that D's would act nearly the same as R's are now. Shoot, Obama himself filibustered what...3 judges? For that, part of me wants to see his nominee foiled (not that multiple wrongs make a right).
 
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This is really the Republicans' ace in the hole? A hypothetical almost 25 years old? The fact is that there was no vacancy in 1992. Nobody was talking a death in the Court, which is a totally different scenario than simply having a judge retire. Further, the question was asked in June, not February. GOP's going to eat it on this issue. They've never won on trying to shut things down. They failed with the government shutdowns, failed with trying to shutdown Planned Parenthood, and failed with all the agencies they've tried to shutdown, too. Republicans will dig their heels in until the going gets rough and then give up like they always do.
 
This is really the Republicans' ace in the hole? A hypothetical almost 25 years old? The fact is that there was no vacancy in 1992. Nobody was talking a death in the Court, which is a totally different scenario than simply having a judge retire. Further, the question was asked in June, not February. GOP's going to eat it on this issue. They've never won on trying to shut things down. They failed with the government shutdowns, failed with trying to shutdown Planned Parenthood, and failed with all the agencies they've tried to shutdown, too. Republicans will dig their heels in until the going gets rough and then give up like they always do.

Yep, the Republicans are like the little boy that cried wolf with their obstructionist tactics. They never seem to learn, but it seems they know of nothing else to do.
 
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Yep, the Republicans are like the little boy that cried wolf with their obstructionist tactics. They never seem to learn, but it seems they know of nothing else to do.
We saw the same exact staunchness in all the other shutdowns, too. Republicans firmly said they would not raise the debt ceiling and would not fund Planned Parenthood. No ifs ands or buts about it. These things were dead. Yet the Republicans eventually gave up and gave the Dems what they wanted.

Political pressure will start weighing on them, their vulnerable Senators will beg them to give up this childish fight, and the GOP will have no choice but to have a hearing. We all see this coming.
 
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You Republicans realize that Uncle Joe was speaking about a hypothetical situation, correct? You know that there wasn't an actual vacancy in the Supreme Court at the time, and that he was speaking on the floor of the Senate about reforming the nomination process after the long, dragged out, and contentious Clarence Thomas nomination?

Of course you know these things, because you research the topics thoroughly and rely on more than soundbytes on Fox and headlines on Drudge.

Of course you do...
 
In 1992 Joe Biden was a Senator from Delaware. He was free to have any individual opinion he wanted then or now.
Currently the President of the United States is Barack Obama, twice elected by the people. He is duty bound to fulfill his duties laid out by the Constitution of the United States.

He was also the JUDICIARY COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN. There's a difference lucas.
 
During a 1992 Senate floor speech, Joe Biden said President George H.W. Bush should wait to fill any Supreme Court vacancies until after the presidential election.

“It is my view that if a Supreme Court Justice resigns tomorrow or within the next several weeks or resigns at the end of the summer, President Bush should consider following the practice of a majority of his predecessors and not, and not name a nominee until after the November election is completed,” Biden said at the time.

CSPAN on Monday posted a clip of the vice president’s remarks, given when Biden was serving as a Democratic senator from Delaware. The floor comments were made on June 25, months before the 1992 presidential election.

http://thehill.com/regulation/court...-scotus-nominee-should-be-delayed-until-after
Looks like he said "should consider" rather than "We will refuse to consider ANY nominee". Is that correct? Furthermore, I'm fairly certain that Biden goes on to say that a moderate nominee WOULD get consideration. Is THAT correct? If you could answer those questions it would be appreciated.
 
Looks like he said "should consider" rather than "We will refuse to consider ANY nominee". Is that correct? Furthermore, I'm fairly certain that Biden goes on to say that a moderate nominee WOULD get consideration. Is THAT correct? If you could answer those questions it would be appreciated.


But Biden himself in 1992 said the Senate Judiciary Committee should “seriously consider not scheduling confirmations hearings on the nomination until after the political campaign season is over.”

“I sadly predict, Mr. President that this is going to be one of the bitterest, dirtiest presidential campaigns we will have seen in modern times,” he said. “I’m sure Mr. President, after having uttered these words some, some will criticize such a decisions and say it was nothing more than an attempt to save a seat on the court in hopes that a Democrat will be permitted to fill it.”

Biden went onto say that delaying a Supreme Court nomination until after the election is what is fair to the nominee and essential to the process.
 
Looks like he said "should consider" rather than "We will refuse to consider ANY nominee". Is that correct? Furthermore, I'm fairly certain that Biden goes on to say that a moderate nominee WOULD get consideration. Is THAT correct? If you could answer those questions it would be appreciated.
Why would he even suggest that they "should consider" refusing the nominee? Dems in 2016 are adamant that it's unconstitutional to refuse to consider the nominee. And since Biden has declared himself a constitutional scholar it seems odd that he would urge his fellow Democrats to do consider something unconstitutional.
 
In 1992 Joe Biden was a Senator from Delaware. He was free to have any individual opinion he wanted then or now.
Currently the President of the United States is Barack Obama, twice elected by the people. He is duty bound to fulfill his duties laid out by the Constitution of the United States.

And the Senate has the absolute right under the Constitution to reject any nominee. Simply beyond dispute.
 
And the Senate has the absolute right under the Constitution to reject any nominee. Simply beyond dispute.
Interesting that you think it's the Senate's job to not confirm anybody for years on end. Guess I must have missed that part in the Constitution.
 
Why don't Rs relish the opportunity to Bork the Obama nominee? Its sort of weird that Rs want to run from this opportunity. If I was a conservative I would love to stand on the floor and make speeches about how liberal the Obama justice was and grill them all day over abortion and gays and guns.

The Rs are playing this all wrong. They should be going big and turning this into a circus. If they did, they could essentially make this election the one that could overturn Roe v Wade. That would drive the base like no other.
Be patient, my friend. The Republicans haven't actually done anything yet. They are simply sending a message to Obama that any nominee had better be a moderate, just like Biden did in 1992 and Chuck Schumer did in 2007.
 
Interesting that you think it's the Senate's job to not confirm anybody for years on end. Guess I must have missed that part in the Constitution.

Well, the list of things that you have missed is way too long to get into. Nevertheless, you dishonestly mischaracterize my post. Of course, I posted nothing about "years on end". That was simply a lie on your part.

Rather, the Senate has the constitutional ability and duty to approve, based on their judgment. If they reject a nominee, either by not having a hearing, or voting the nominee down, it then becomes the duty of the President to nominate someone who can get approval.
 
Be patient, my friend. The Republicans haven't actually done anything yet. They are simply sending a message to Obama that any nominee had better be a moderate, just like Biden did in 1992 and Chuck Schumer did in 2007.
I agree. I think it's all posturing. Really stupid posturing since they will blow all kinds of political capital for something they could have gotten anyway, but posturing nonetheless.
 
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