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Blizzard of lawsuits filed against Obama's EPA climate rules

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Blizzard of lawsuits filed against Obama's EPA climate rules

A wide range of litigants filed lawsuits Friday against President Obama’s signature climate change rule for power plants, representing a broad group of business interests.

After 24 states and a coal mining company were the first out the gate with lawsuits Friday morning, more and more challenges rolled into the Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia.

Each lawsuit argues that the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) went far beyond the authority Congress gave it in setting carbon dioxide limits for power plants, and that the rule will cause unacceptable harm.
The National Federal of Independent Businesses led a large coalition of business groups in filing one lawsuit Friday afternoon.

“The EPA is doing an end-run around Congress by imposing in the form of regulation a law that the legislative branch of government has already expressly rejected,” Karen Harned, executive director of the group’s Small Business Legal Center, said in a statement.

“This is a crystal clear violation of the constitutional separation of powers,” she said.

The United States Chamber of Commerce is among the litigants joining in the coalition.

“The EPA’s rule is unlawful and a bad deal for America,” said Thomas Donohue, the Chamber’s president.

“It will drive up electricity costs for businesses, consumers and families, impose tens of billions in annual compliance costs, and reduce our nation’s global competitiveness — without any significant reduction in global greenhouse gas emissions,” he said.

The National Rural Electric Cooperative Association filed its own lawsuit.

“This rule goes far beyond what the Clean Air Act authorizes the EPA to do and will challenge our nation’s electric system,” said Debbie Wing, the group’s spokeswoman. “These complicated regulations will force cooperatives to close power plants, which are producing affordable electricity for consumers who were counting on them for decades to come.”

The American Wood Council and the American Forest & Paper Association joined in the litigation with another case.

“AWC joins this litigation in order to ensure continued use of renewable energy and to support states’ ability, as some have already done, to fully recognize biomass energy as a critical component of clean power,” said Robert Glowinski, president of the American Wood Council.

A pair of coal industry groups, the National Mining Association and the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity, joined together in filing their own lawsuit.

In addition to the 24 states that filed the Friday morning lawsuit, North Dakota and Oklahoma each sued separately, bringing the total number of state challengers to 26, or more than half of all states.

The federal judges are likely to combine many of the different lawsuits, and to hear arguments at the same session for cases that have not been combined.

The EPA says the challenges won’t succeed.

“The Clean Power Plan has strong scientific and legal foundations, provides states with broad flexibilities to design and implement plans, and is clearly within EPA’s authority under the Clean Air Act,” EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy said in a statement.

“We are confident we will again prevail against these challenges and will be able to work with states to successfully implement these first-ever national standards to limit carbon pollution the largest source of carbon emissions in the United States,” she said.

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-env...s-climate-rule
 
Lawmakers mobilize against climate rule

Lawmakers are mobilizing quickly against the new climate change rule from President Obama, announcing they will file formal congressional challenges on Monday.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) on Friday said he and Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) will introduce a Congressional Review Act (CRA) resolution to block the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) pollution standards for new power plants.

Sens. Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.) and Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.) will introduce a resolution opposing the EPA’s existing power plant rule at the same time. McConnell’s office said he will schedule a vote on the resolutions shortly afterward.
“I have vowed to do all I can to fight back against this administration on behalf of the thousands of Kentucky coal miners and their families, and this CRA is another tool in that battle,” McConnell said in a statement.

“The CRAs that we will file will allow Congress the ability to fight these anti-coal regulations.”

In the House, Rep. Ed Whitfield (R-Ky.) will introduce the resolutions.

The Obama administration published the Clean Power Plan in the Federal Register on Friday, a move that launched a string of lawsuits and set in motion formal congressional challenges to the rule.

Under the CRA, lawmakers opposed to a new executive branch regulation can block it through an act of Congress in the 60 days after it is published. Conservatives and coal-state lawmakers have vowed to do just that, though President Obama has threatened to veto any effort to undo his climate rules.

The House has approved a bill to block the climate rule, and a Senate panel has signed off on a Capito bill doing the same.

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-env...er-plant-rules
 
How about this. In exchange for the EPA giving up its new rules, all of the companies producing fossil fuels give up all subsidies and tax breaks. That's fair, isn't it?
 
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Or we could get cleaner through innovation and technological advances instead of through government fiat.
 
These companies have spent decades fighting to not have to do this exact thing. Government regulations often spur innovation.

If everybody is all hell-fire for solutions, competitors will deliver it if the old-school energy companies won't.
 
How about this. In exchange for the EPA giving up its new rules, all of the companies producing fossil fuels give up all subsidies and tax breaks. That's fair, isn't it?

Can you pleas provide a list of the subsidies and tax breaks?
 
Can you pleas provide a list of the subsidies and tax breaks?
Here's some articles talking about them. Not that it will change your mind, but the oil industry get billions in tax breaks and subsidies every year.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/business/04bptax.html?referer=&_r=0
http://smallbusiness.chron.com/oil-exploration-tax-deduction-57139.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/energysource/2012/04/25/the-surprising-reason-that-oil-subsidies-persist-even-liberals-love-them/
 
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These companies have spent decades fighting to not have to do this exact thing. Government regulations often spur innovation.

Once they started down that road, they have no other option but to keep the status quo; the alternative is trillions of dollars in 'stranded assets' and massive devaluation.

If the major fossil fuel burning countries do not take serious action, it simply kicks the can down the road to a point where the stranded fossil fuel assets and resulting economic fallout would make the Great Depression and the 2007 recession look like Candyland in comparison.
 
Not true. The industrial revolution happened without/despite government, and regulation didn't come until the industrialists grew too powerful and had to be smacked down.
My point was a little more fundamental. The industrial revolution and most every human accomplishment is made possible by the government structures in place that keep society stable. I realize you're actually arguing a middle of the road moderate position, but there are too many burn it all down folks around here to grant the point. If you recognize the need for regulations to smack the powerful down, we're probably already mostly aligned.

The problem I see if there isn't any market mechanism to achieve the results of lower emissions without government involvement. Fossil Fuels are cheap. They are distributed in a way that doesn't offer individual consumers much choice in how they get their energy. If alternatives are going to displace fossils you are going to need the government to artificially move the market in that direction. If you see an alternative, spell it out.
 
My point was a little more fundamental. The industrial revolution and most every human accomplishment is made possible by the government structures in place that keep society stable. I realize you're actually arguing a middle of the road moderate position, but there are too many burn it all down folks around here to grant the point. If you recognize the need for regulations to smack the powerful down, we're probably already mostly aligned.

The problem I see if there isn't any market mechanism to achieve the results of lower emissions without government involvement. Fossil Fuels are cheap. They are distributed in a way that doesn't offer individual consumers much choice in how they get their energy. If alternatives are going to displace fossils you are going to need the government to artificially move the market in that direction. If you see an alternative, spell it out.

There are all sorts of innovative ways to create clean power being developed, and they're becoming more and more prevalent every year. Solar power is exploding, wind farms continue to go up despite bird kills and NIMBY, tidal or wave-powered energy is an intriguing new development, and if you can power your Tesla through their home battery and a solar grid on your roof, you could be totally off the grid and clean as a whistle. It's coming.
 
There are all sorts of innovative ways to create clean power being developed, and they're becoming more and more prevalent every year. Solar power is exploding, wind farms continue to go up despite bird kills and NIMBY, tidal or wave-powered energy is an intriguing new development, and if you can power your Tesla through their home battery and a solar grid on your roof, you could be totally off the grid and clean as a whistle. It's coming.
Aren't all of those based on the government artificially moving the market in that direction? I think you're making my point. Government regulations are spurring innovation and saving the planet.
 
Aren't all of those based on the government artificially moving the market in that direction? I think you're making my point. Government regulations are spurring innovation and saving the planet.

Disagree. Elon Musk is going far beyond anything the government is requiring.
 
I will say this about your point: a society has to have some sort of "rules of the game" in order for progress to occur. If you can't protect your assets from theft, fraud, riots, war, etc., then no one would make the investment. Some form of government or cultural norms achieves that tranquility necessary for prosperity, and progress, to bloom.
 
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Disagree. Elon Musk is going far beyond anything the government is requiring.
That's not a valid point. Musk is able to both get direct help from government policy and work in a market that is being juiced to spur innovation by government policy. Musk is an example of government regulation success.
 
That's not a valid point. Musk is able to both get direct help from government policy and work in a market that is being juiced to spur innovation by government policy. Musk is an example of government regulation success.

In other words, Musk didn't build that.

[insert rolling eyes smiley here]
 
There are all sorts of innovative ways to create clean power being developed, and they're becoming more and more prevalent every year. Solar power is exploding, wind farms continue to go up despite bird kills and NIMBY, tidal or wave-powered energy is an intriguing new development, and if you can power your Tesla through their home battery and a solar grid on your roof, you could be totally off the grid and clean as a whistle. It's coming.

Taller wind towers (400', I think), have the ability to really tip the balance on clean energy - they can get efficiency factors of up to 60% (or whatever the factor is called which indicates the percent of time that they can be called on to produce power). Solar is very low for this and requires cheap energy storage to make economic sense on a wide scale; solar can 'buffer' the energy grid during summer high-draw times when everyone wants their A/C on.

The caveat with the big wind towers (which could be put just about anywhere around the US) is making them safe to withstand major windstorms or hurricanes, particularly in coastal areas. That's really the only major technology issue with them as far as I'm aware. They can be noisy (turbines make some buzzing noise that is annoying nearby) but the taller towers will also minimize that somewhat.

But the 'bird kills' issues is really irrelevant, because the impact of heavy metals release from coal burning ultimately does much more environmental damage to birds and wildlife than wind turbines/blades.
 
In other words, Musk didn't build that.

[insert rolling eyes smiley here]
Rather he built that the way the government told him. The government buys his space rockets. The government subsidizes his battery projects. The government incentivises companies to lower their carbon production and if they did more in this arena, Musk would be even more successful because the government artificially set us on the path to cleaner energy. Private industry and the market can't solve this problem without the government tipping the scales and picking winners and losers. Do you not see the essential role government regulations play in the environmental solutions and Musk's success?
 
But the 'bird kills' issues is really irrelevant, because the impact of heavy metals release from coal burning ultimately does much more environmental damage to birds and wildlife than wind turbines/blades.

Bird kills was always an incredibly weak, and disingenuous argument. Mainly because the people who make this argument generally couldn't give a rat's ass about the health of birds in any other circumstance but suddenly when it came to wind power then there's a major issue. Not to mention, the number of birds killed by cars every year is far greater than the the number of birds killed by wind turbines. It really isn't a problem.

As for the NIMBY's, those people are idiots. I'm surrounded by wind turbines. I find them relaxing to watch and the only way I've ever been able to hear them is when I'm less than 50 yards away from them. Even then, it's much quieter than the sound a car makes when it drives by.
 
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Bird kills was always an incredibly weak, and disingenuous argument. Mainly because the people who make this argument generally couldn't give a rat's ass about the health of birds in any other circumstance but suddenly when it came to wind power then there's a major issue.

Hey, I honestly don't want birds to die.
 
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