Bohannan, Moss and Pemsl

[wbrhawkeye]

All three impressed and deserve to start. When Cook is back, the starting lineup should be:

Bohannan
Moss
Jok
Pemsl
Cook

I love the potential of this team. Defense looked 1000 times better tonight. I feel much better about the team despite the loss. However, I think Fran takes out the best players, destroys any momentum and sits them way too damn long!!! Lastly, I HATE his stupid mass substitution pattern! I never want to see Ellingson, Uhl and Williams in at the same time!!!!!

 

[HawkLogic]

we need to get Fran onboard.

I'd also speculate Kreiner >> Uhl option for rebounding/defense and bunny making

 

[PlazaHawkeye]

Only 6 turn overs tonight. Much better in that area too. Need to rebound more though.

 

[Hawkfan_08]

I posted the same, a long with others, in the game thread.

Showed a lot tonight.

 

[And1Hawk]

Where are the doubters about Bohannen and the future of the PG position now?

Love the lineup with Bohannen, Moss & Pemsl along with Jok and Cook when healthy. Then bring Baer & Uhl off the bench.

Fran really needs to forget about playing Ellingson and keep Moss on the floor. I'd rather see Dailey. Also play Kreiner some.

Not sure I'd play Wagner and Williams as much either. This just do not do anything.

That freaking lineup with Bohannen, Williams, Ellingson, Wagner and Baer was awful and allowed ND to pull away in the second half when it is was a 2 point game. Fran stuck with that lineup until we were down 12!

 

[gohawks7470]

Any word on why Uhl plays?

 

[showtime641]

Any word on why Uhl plays?

I feel he's being phased out a little at a time, just can't happen fast enough though.

 

[RocknRollface]

we need to get Fran onboard.

I'd also speculate Kreiner >> Uhl option for rebounding/defense and bunny making

Yep need to get Kreiner in more too.

Uhl is quickly fading to the background, and with more bigs coming in next year Wagner may want to look into football.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

All three impressed and deserve to start. When Cook is back, the starting lineup should be:

Bohannan
Moss
Jok
Pemsl
Cook

I love the potential of this team. Defense looked 1000 times better tonight. I feel much better about the team despite the loss. However, I think Fran takes out the best players, destroys any momentum and sits them way too damn long!!! Lastly, I HATE his stupid mass substitution pattern! I never want to see Ellingson, Uhl and Williams in at the same time!!!!!

Excellent post. Notre Dame starters stayed on the floor with a couple guys subbing. Fran consistently killed momentum tonight and that second unit could not score at noon ball the Field House. At least put Kriener out there so they have a big guy to feed or grab a rebound. ND is a great shooting team, so not much you can do when guys are hitting deep 3's late in the shot clock.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

All three impressed and deserve to start. When Cook is back, the starting lineup should be:

Bohannan
Moss
Jok
Pemsl
Cook

I love the potential of this team. Defense looked 1000 times better tonight. I feel much better about the team despite the loss. However, I think Fran takes out the best players, destroys any momentum and sits them way too damn long!!! Lastly, I HATE his stupid mass substitution pattern! I never want to see Ellingson, Uhl and Williams in at the same time!!!!!

I thought this to until I saw Iowa gave up 92 pts. They still gave up way too many uncontested layups and wide open 3's. It might have been slightly better than previous games but it still was bad defense. When you get in close games, down the stretch, you need to make defensive stops, and Iowa didn't show they were capable of doing that tonight.

I did love the play of Bohannon, Pemsl and Moss. Those guys should see more minutes and Uhl, Ellingson and Williams should be seeing less minutes. They should have been pounding the ball into Pemsl much sooner than they did. They might have been able to get ND big guy in foul trouble much sooner.

Jok had a terrible game but that happens. He's been shooting the ball at an unsustainable level, so he was due to have a bad shooting game. It's just a shame that it happened in a game when Bo and Pemsl were shooting so well, because if Jok would have just shot decent they would have had a great chance to win.

The defense still needs to play 100 times better than it did tonight, and they need to do a better job boxing out and controlling the boards. Still, they cut down the TO's tonight so there's hope. I just think this team is a year away from having any real chance of making the NCAA tournament, and that's only if they make the progress on defense that is required.

 

[LuteHawk]

Bohannon is a real scoring threat when he starts
and his 23 points tonight proved it.

Pemsl has the moves underneath to put Uhl on the
bench. His 18 points against ND demonstrated it.

Williams, Uhl, and Wagner are bench players. Baer
is probably going to lose his starting spot also.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

Where are the doubters about Bohannen and the future of the PG position now?

Love the lineup with Bohannen, Moss & Pemsl along with Jok and Cook when healthy. Then bring Baer & Uhl off the bench.

Fran really needs to forget about playing Ellingson and keep Moss on the floor. I'd rather see Dailey. Also play Kreiner some.

Not sure I'd play Wagner and Williams as much either. This just do not do anything.

That freaking lineup with Bohannen, Williams, Ellingson, Wagner and Baer was awful and allowed ND to pull away in the second half when it is was a 2 point game. Fran stuck with that lineup until we were down 12!

I'm still a doubter of Bohannon at PG. He's a 2G playing the point. He can't beat anyone off the dribble and can't guard good PG's. He'd be deadly with a quality PG playing beside him.

Agree with you about Ellingson and I'd be happy if Uhl saw less playing time. He'd be a NBA lottery pick if he could finish at the basket. Honestly, Uhl is easy to see if he should get minutes. If he hits an early bucket he plays with confidence, if he doesn't he plays tentative. Either way he's pretty brutal on defense, so you always give up defense when he's in the game.

I had hope for Wagner as he's the one guy on this team that plays D and has some back to the basket skills. However, he's a tweener. He's too small against most power forwards, but not quick enough or good enough handles to play the 3.

Williams? Why are people hyping this kid? He's probably the worst defender of all the guards. Every time he was in the game his guy was blowing past him. I guess you have to play him some because Bohannon can't play 40 minutes and there's nobody else to play the point.

ND made their big run when Pemsl was out of the game. He went to the bench after he picked up a foul, and Iowa was down by 2 pts. They never got that close again.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

Bohannon is a real scoring threat when he starts
and his 23 points tonight proved it.

Pemsl has the moves underneath to put Uhl on the
bench. His 18 points against ND demonstrated it.

Williams, Uhl, and Wagner are bench players. Baer
is probably going to lose his starting spot also.

I think Baer will be more effective off the bench. He's the perfect bench player. High energy guy, and he can score some points and do the little things well. He's the perfect number 6 man.

 

[HawkAssassin]

Really impressed by Moss. He must've been busting it in practice to gain Fran's trust to start and it showed. I want Peter to be at the three going forward so this is a very good development.

Love that Bohannon looks for and rewards his big men. Decision making was better. Consistency is the next step.

The lineup going forward will be interesting. I really liked the starting lineup. I don't know about Pemsl and Cook together just because they both want to occupy the same space. I liked surrounding a creative offensive big man with four shooters.

A positive for Cook and Pemsl together is more matchups against undersized forwards like we had tonight.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Fran will decide.

 

[EastIowaHawk]

This is only one game, but much better effort and fewer turnovers. Notre Dame shot very well and made 30 of 33 free throws.
Fran said the same starting lineup will go this weekend. Hope the newbies stay hot.

 

[CanadaHawk]

Bohannon is a real scoring threat when he starts
and his 23 points tonight proved it.

Pemsl has the moves underneath to put Uhl on the
bench. His 18 points against ND demonstrated it.

Williams, Uhl, and Wagner are bench players. Baer
is probably going to lose his starting spot also.

If the frontcourt chemistry works with CP and TC starting, I love the depth of Baer coming off the bench- 3 starters rotating up front with others sprinkled in. I admit this is the first game I thought JB was a real starter. But the team as a whole grew up a lot ending the the 1st half vs ND.

 

[EpenesaEpenesa]

Iowa has spurts when they play pretty well and then the bottom falls out for 3 minutes. That pattern continues. Their challenge is to get to a point where you don't have those multiple minute lapses. As we all know how you get to that point is defense and rebounding. Those 2 can be constants. You aren't gonna shoot 80% from the field every night.

 

[LuteHawk]

Coach Fran needs a balanced scoring attack to
compete in the Big Ten Conference. Bohannon
and Pemsl should join Jok and a healthy Cook
in the starting lineup. Moss could be the 5th guy.

Baer and Uhl would be the first 2 guys off the bench.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

Really impressed by Moss. He must've been busting it in practice to gain Fran's trust to start and it showed. I want Peter to be at the three going forward so this is a very good development.

Love that Bohannon looks for and rewards his big men. Decision making was better. Consistency is the next step.

The lineup going forward will be interesting. I really liked the starting lineup. I don't know about Pemsl and Cook together just because they both want to occupy the same space. I liked surrounding a creative offensive big man with four shooters.

A positive for Cook and Pemsl together is more matchups against undersized forwards like we had tonight.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Fran will decide.

I really would like a lineup with Cook and Pemsl together. Not many college teams have 2 players who can play with their back to the basket. Iowa has 2 guys. The other thing is both guys like they are excellent passers and have good hands (at least Cook looked like that before the injured finger). They should be able to eat up a lot of space in the lane on the defensive side of the ball, and on the boards. Defensive and rebounding are a work in progress but the skills are there to be good on both those areas.

You have those 2 guys with Moss, Jok, and Bohannon, with Baer as the 6th man, and this team should be interesting to watch. They'll likely take the rest of the year before they are good enough on D, but they should be fun to watch on offense.

 

[DanL53]

I think it's great they played so well. But I would also remind that often as a whole we get impressed, and DEPRESSED, quickly. Let's see who we love after next game.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

Iowa has spurts when they play pretty well and then the bottom falls out for 3 minutes. That pattern continues. Their challenge is to get to a point where you don't have those multiple minute lapses. As we all know how you get to that point is defense and rebounding. Those 2 can be constants. You aren't gonna shoot 80% from the field every night.

Great points. I actually thought this might have been the best game Iowa played all season, given the talent, being on the road, etc. Jok was ice cold so that kind of distorts how well they played as a team. They didn't make the dumb TO's and even dumb fouls.

However, they need to play at a much higher level, both defensively and rebounding, if they want to win a bunch of games in the B1G. Good teams play more consistent basketball, they don't have so many 3 minute stretches where they just look terrible. They also always play good D, and rebound. MSU and Wis will have games where they can't hit the broad side of a barn, but they still will often find ways to win these games ugly, because they ratchet up their defense, and focus on rebounding, in the games they are struggling offensively.

 

[HawkAssassin]

I really would like a lineup with Cook and Pemsl together. Not many college teams have 2 players who can play with their back to the basket. Iowa has 2 guys. The other thing is both guys like they are excellent passers and have good hands (at least Cook looked like that before the injured finger). They should be able to eat up a lot of space in the lane on the defensive side of the ball, and on the boards. Defensive and rebounding are a work in progress but the skills are there to be good on both those areas.

You have those 2 guys with Moss, Jok, and Bohannon, with Baer as the 6th man, and this team should be interesting to watch. They'll likely take the rest of the year before they are good enough on D, but they should be fun to watch on offense.

Like I said, I'm interested to see what Fran will do. Pemsl and Cook sounds good on paper right now, but we need to see it work against a good opponent. It could work or it couldn't.

Baer is also better than both defensively and offers plenty on the glass. Pemsl is a good passer but Cook has been a bit of a TO machine.

I also don't really think rebounding is that big of an issue right now. Shot selection and defense are two areas that must improve.

 

[Kurt Warner]

Just watched the game, had to dvr it. Wow!!! SOOO impressed with JB and possessed Pemsl. What a game by these two. JB and his quik release is going to be great. Pemsl was a beast and looked like a senior tonight. They lost but I'm so pumped about how good some of these guys can eventually be. Go hawks!!

 

[And1Hawk]

Like I said, I'm interested to see what Fran will do. Pemsl and Cook sounds good on paper right now, but we need to see it work against a good opponent. It could work or it couldn't.

Baer is also better than both defensively and offers plenty on the glass. Pemsl is a good passer but Cook has been a bit of a TO machine.

I also don't really think rebounding is that big of an issue right now. Shot selection and defense are two areas that must improve.

I will disagree with Baer being good defensively. He's fine off the ball but he's having a heck of a time on the ball containing dribble penetration especially against a smaller player. That's why I do not like him at the 3 at all. Tonight he was at the 4 in place of Cook and that's much better. When Cook returns he may have to come off the bench then because Moss needs to be in the starting lineup.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

I will disagree with Baer being good defensively. He's fine off the ball but he's having a heck of a time on the ball containing dribble penetration especially against a smaller player. That's why I do not like him at the 3 at all. Tonight he was at the 4 in place of Cook and that's much better. When Cook returns he may have to come off the bench then because Moss needs to be in the starting lineup.

Agree. I don't think Baer is a good defensive player at the 3, he's just not quick enough. It's fine if Iowa is playing zone, but I'd rather see him coming off the bench and energizing the team with his hustle. He's the textbook 6th man.

 

[unoHawkeye]

Like two games ago we were all saying that Baer was too good to come off the bench. I totally get the excitement over the play of our freshmen, but of all the people to lose playing time, Nicholas is not one of them.

 

[And1Hawk]

Like two games ago we were all saying that Baer was too good to come off the bench. I totally get the excitement over the play of our freshmen, but of all the people to lose playing time, Nicholas is not one of them.

I love everything Baer brings but he's got a lot of work to do to play the 3 when Cook is in the lineup at the 4. Cook is not great defensively either yet so now you have 2 liabilities right there alone. Baer does a lot well but on-ball guarding the types of athletes at the 3 is not one of them. They go right by him and chaos erupts defensively. Moss has the athleticism to guard the 2 or 3 and it showed last night. Moss and Jok are interchangeable between the 2 & 3. It's also a much better defensive matchup for Pete at the 3 than the 2.

We have too many 4's on this team; Baer, Cook, Wagner & Pemsl and no rim protector. I'd bring Baer off the bench when Cook returns.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

I love everything Baer brings but he's got a lot of work to do to play the 3 when Cook is in the lineup at the 4. Cook is not great defensively either yet so now you have 2 liabilities right there alone. Baer does a lot well but on-ball guarding the types of athletes at the 3 is not one of them. They go right by him and chaos erupts defensively. Moss has the athleticism to guard the 2 or 3 and it showed last night. Moss and Jok are interchangeable between the 2 & 3. It's also a much better defensive matchup for Pete at the 3 than the 2.

We have too many 4's on this team; Baer, Cook, Wagner & Pemsl and no rim protector. I'd bring Baer off the bench when Cook returns.

It's all about what is the best combination, not necessarily playing even the best 5 players. As you say, you are a much weaker team defensively with Baer at the 3 and Cook at the 4. And Jok is much less of a liability on defense guarding a 3.

The team should be fine on offense with Cook and Jok starting, but the defense has been killing them. Jok could also have an easier time scoring against 3's, where it might be a little easier to drive against them then a smaller guy who is quicker. It's give and take and about getting the best matchups.

The beauty of having Baer as the 6th man is he gives the reserves a chance to score. Right now you bring in Uhl and Wagner and you aren't going to get much offense from them. Uhl can score but he's either good or really bad. Baer is a guy who can hit the outside shot, giving the 2nd unit someone who can score.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

The problem with the defense is lack of size and athleticism. Uhl is too soft and Wagner too small in the paint. Williams does a nice job on the glass, but that is about the only bright spot in his game thus far. I think Fran needs to keep tweaking the lineup and give Dailey a shot at PG with the second unit. Put Dailey at PG, Moss at SG, Williams at 3 with Wagner at 4 and Kriener at the 5. We need a big body on the floor and have plenty of fouls to give, so put guys on their butts vs. give up easy buckets.

Maybe Moss has to start until Cook returns and IMO he deserves more PT. The challenge is that the second unit is anemic at best on offense and Moss would give that group a scoring threat. Uhl is a lost cause and any time he gets is stunting the development of younger guys who haven't peaked.

Notre Dame is a blueprint for what I think Fran is trying to assemble. Long athletic shooters with a work horse down low who bangs and boards on both ends. Unfortunately we are miles away from having a roster like Notre Dame's. It wasn't great offense that ND ran last night, it was shooters making shots. How many late shot clock 3's did they throw in? Farrell or whatever his name was will probably never shoot like that the rest of the year.

 

[large78]

All three impressed and deserve to start. When Cook is back, the starting lineup should be:

Bohannan
Moss
Jok
Pemsl
Cook

I love the potential of this team. Defense looked 1000 times better tonight. I feel much better about the team despite the loss. However, I think Fran takes out the best players, destroys any momentum and sits them way too damn long!!! Lastly, I HATE his stupid mass substitution pattern! I never want to see Ellingson, Uhl and Williams in at the same time!!!!!

I really don't think giving up 92 points is what you call the defense 1000 times better.

 

[HawkLogic]

Really impressed by Moss. He must've been busting it in practice to gain Fran's trust to start and it showed. I want Peter to be at the three going forward so this is a very good development.

Love that Bohannon looks for and rewards his big men. Decision making was better. Consistency is the next step.

The lineup going forward will be interesting. I really liked the starting lineup. I don't know about Pemsl and Cook together just because they both want to occupy the same space. I liked surrounding a creative offensive big man with four shooters.

A positive for Cook and Pemsl together is more matchups against undersized forwards like we had tonight.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Fran will decide.

I thought Cook has show some face the basket game, so maybe Pemsl/Cook can co-exist. Neither one rebounds or plays much defense, so that is a problem. Wagner looked lost, Uhl is a spaz on offense...I think Kreiner might be option. We need to play 3 guards....Moss, Bohannon, Jok and go small. Baer needs to come off bench...he is a great glue guy, but we are too slow when we have Jok and Baer at the wings on defense.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

We need a junk yard dog and Pemsl is our best option. Cook and Pemsl are 2 of our 5 best, but can they coexist when both want to play on the block? Pemsl has the potential to be our version of Draymond Green with his passing and court vision. I hope he starts taking those open jumpers when guys back off. We need more guys to at least threaten to shoot when left open or Jok will get bracketed all year.

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

I really don't think giving up 92 points is what you call the defense 1000 times better.

Understand what you're saying and somewhat agree, but when ND makes 30(!) free throws, it skews it a little bit. I'm certainly not blaming the loss on the refs, but they were completely inconsistent on how they called the game. Refs can be horrible so long as they are consistent in their horribleness. Those 3 weren't.
I think we did indeed play better defense last night as I think the young guys are acclimating to the hedging/rotation/help/etc. of Fran's defense. It was far from great, but you can see lights starting to come on for some of the guys....except when Pete gets lazy.

 

[jasonrann]

I'm still a doubter of Bohannon at PG. He's a 2G playing the point. He can't beat anyone off the dribble and can't guard good PG's. He'd be deadly with a quality PG playing beside him.

Agree with you about Ellingson and I'd be happy if Uhl saw less playing time. He'd be a NBA lottery pick if he could finish at the basket. Honestly, Uhl is easy to see if he should get minutes. If he hits an early bucket he plays with confidence, if he doesn't he plays tentative. Either way he's pretty brutal on defense, so you always give up defense when he's in the game.

I had hope for Wagner as he's the one guy on this team that plays D and has some back to the basket skills. However, he's a tweener. He's too small against most power forwards, but not quick enough or good enough handles to play the 3.

Williams? Why are people hyping this kid? He's probably the worst defender of all the guards. Every time he was in the game his guy was blowing past him. I guess you have to play him some because Bohannon can't play 40 minutes and there's nobody else to play the point.

ND made their big run when Pemsl was out of the game. He went to the bench after he picked up a foul, and Iowa was down by 2 pts. They never got that close again.

I liked what I saw tonight. We don't necessarily need him to beat guys off the dribble all the time. I loved how he pushed the ball constantly, quick passing and ball movement created openings. Also, if his defender isn't in his jock, he's going to bury a three on him. Verdict is still out on defense, but give him some time.

 

[jasonrann]

I really don't think giving up 92 points is what you call the defense 1000 times better.

I would. Did you see any of the other games? What I saw tonight was a TON of effort, especially in the first half on D. Now Fran needs to teach them how and when to be in the right position. It will come, but without max effort, it isn't happening even with the best coaches.

 

[EastIowaHawk]

ND just had better shooters than we did. I loved that Iowa seemed to have more energy and purpose with this lineup.

 

[Jumpshot00]

I like bits and pieces of a lot of things I have seen so far. I have always thought that you shouldn't get too worked up about November basketball one way or another. Haven't been able to accumulate wins or build a post season resume yet, which isn't surprising considering the inexperience and now the loss of Cook for 3 weeks, but still would like to get a confidence building type of win at some point soon. Beating Iowa St. is a big challenge but not impossible...same with UNI. If they could beat those 2 and avoid a slip vs one of the other non conference games then they are back in a battle of making a NCAA tournament bid a possibility. My most reasonable expectation is finish with an overall winning record and get post season experience in the NIT.
My favorite things I have seen so far:

-Cook is not a disappointment. Plays like the type of player Iowa hasn't had for awhile. In no way is his injury a good thing for him or winning games, but now a few more minutes are available and maybe another player emerges
-Pemsl having a low post game with the ability to finish. Haven't seen this at Iowa for awhile either.
-Bohannon- I like his attitude. I am not sure how good he is or can be but I have no doubt he is a type of player whose confidence won't get easily bruised by making a mistake or missing a shot. He should have thick enough skin to tolerate Fran's attacks.
-These players along with future McCaffreys. Weiskamp, Garza, Nunge give me optimism that even if this year doesn't go great things should continue to go up.

Worries:
Uhl, Jok's desire to play defense, what happens to chemistry and approach if the wins are tough to come by.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

ND shot out of their minds or maybe that is what they do. I cannot recall a team making more under 5 seconds on the shot clock deep 3's than they did last night. They have multiple shooters, we have 1 and they smothered him.

While I don't think Dale Jones would cure all our woes, he is a much more viable option than Uhl, Wagner, Ellingson and even Baer. Even if he isn't making shots, he has a bigger frame and could hold his own in the paint. I do think he would be that 3rd scorer we desperately need, but not in the cards this season.

May seem crazy, but I want to see Kriener get more minutes. If he fouls out knocking guys on their butts, so be it. We need a bigger body out there to block out and get some boards / put backs. Fran needs to get him some major minutes in the last few cupcake games and get his confidence up.

 

[kzoohawk80]

I really don't think giving up 92 points is what you call the defense 1000 times better.

Didn't watch the game did you? Just saw the box score.

 

[unoHawkeye]

ND shot out of their minds or maybe that is what they do. I cannot recall a team making more under 5 seconds on the shot clock deep 3's than they did last night. They have multiple shooters, we have 1 and they smothered him.

While I don't think Dale Jones would cure all our woes, he is a much more viable option than Uhl, Wagner, Ellingson and even Baer. Even if he isn't making shots, he has a bigger frame and could hold his own in the paint. I do think he would be that 3rd scorer we desperately need, but not in the cards this season.

May seem crazy, but I want to see Kriener get more minutes. If he fouls out knocking guys on their butts, so be it. We need a bigger body out there to block out and get some boards / put backs. Fran needs to get him some major minutes in the last few cupcake games and get his confidence up.

I'd give more credit to Notre Dame if teams hadn't been shooting like this the entire year against us. Sure, they made some nice, contested shots, but they also made the wide open ones, and there were more of those. Beating the dead horse, but the perimeter defense has to improve.