Brace for disgusting and despicable pardons on horizon
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I think we agree that even if there is a process, it is clearly faulty. Even if it is not bullet proof, it would seem pretty doable to make it so either the Senate or the House has to ratify a POTUS pardon OR a POTUS pardon can be rescinded by a vote of some sort by either the House and/or the Senate.
So why is he talking about pardoning Ivanka, Eric and Orange Turd, Jr? And Ford pardoned Nixon without charges having been filed.
Unless whatever crime, charged or not had previously occurred. So, if I would have talked this through with myself, I would have provided the answer, which explains why I'm not an attorney.
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If someone explained Donald Trump to George Washington, he’d say “on second thought, let’s just pay the king our taxes.”
Damn, it refreshing to be smart enough to know how you are not so smart.
Pardons have a valid reason behind them. Like many things our Founders did not anticipate a man so lacking in morality being president. And, if it happened they put in impeachment thinking good men would kick the rascal out.
I’d be for some form of review where the pardon goes through unless 2/3 of the Senate overrule it. Something that continues to give the president the chance to right a wrong, or to reward true contrition.
One might not, because you could argue in court that person was "just crazy" and "unbalanced".
When you have "dozens" it's a completely different story.
I know it is but what else can I do as a citizen? This is how this stuff is supposed to work.
Anything anyone is pardoned for, may have a state-crime analogue.
If so, the act of accepting that pardon will implicate them for the state crime, or any associated crimes not covered by the pardons.
If so, the act of accepting that pardon will implicate them for the state crime, or any associated crimes not covered by the pardons.
Also, pardons may not be any good for civil rights violations, so anyone admitting to a crime that would encompass those civil (or international) cases, would be handing an international prosecution a slam-dunk on the admission to violations of related US laws.
Pardons only work for US federal crimes.
Pardons only work for US federal crimes.
considering the power to pardon is a part of the constitution, I would think you’d need an amendment to change it.
Prior to Trump, previous presidents have mostly abided by the established procedure on how to decide who gets pardoned.
also, can you imagine the political shitshow we’d have to endure every congress was asked to approve pardons, or attempted to overturn a pardon? We need to get away from politicizing the legal process and while I like the thought, your solution would only make it worse.
at best I think a solution would be to pass legislation that would require pardons to be pushed thru the previously established process before a president can make it official.
This would be a great exercise...write a pardon for Trump that he would write himself.
"I, Donald Trump...the great POTUS...hereby within pardon Donald J Trump for any false accusations of wrongdoing by any government or law enforcement arm for all actions that took place before January 20th, 2021.
Bad POTUS pardons did not start with Trump. I don't see how the Founders could have anticipated someone like Trump, but they also didn't foresee other very unworthy people being let off and by others.
Does anyone else besides me think Trump is going to sell a few pardons? If you look at some of the pardons he has already given I’d be shocked if he hasn’t sold a few. It would be so easy for him to sell a pardon. “Oh, you have a house in NJ? Bedminster is a wonderful golf course. The best. You should join. Everyone loves it”.
Rewrite the Constitution then. The problem is the problem child who has occupied the Presidency for the past 4 years. The man was unfit for the office. Ge has spent 4 years proving he was unfit for it. It is only consistent he exit showing America he never knew his ass from the Oval Office.
Those would be illegitimate and overturned.
Again, just because the Constitution grants a power, doesn't mean it cannot be used illegally and improperly.
Again, just because it is a power enumerated by the Constitution, doesn't mean it cannot be used "illegally".
The GOP hasn't had any problems with looking away from the Emoluments Clause over the past 4 years, and that's in the Consitution.
my post was in response to another poster suggesting congress should have oversight of pardon power. Just saying I think an amendment would be required for that I would think.
Don’t read the NYTimes, then. You will get angry. And, how do you overturn a pardon granted by the POTUS? What is the mechanism to overturn an absolute power of the POTUS? How many years would a fight drag out?
AGAIN....simply because the Constitution grants "a power" does NOT mean it can be used illegitimately.
Can Trump openly "sell" pardons, and expect them to stand up in court?
Of course not, that involves another criminal act. But so long as there are no criminal acts involved, there are no limits on the pardon power. Again, likely that’s because the Founding Fathers ever imagined it would be abused like that.
We are going to find out that the answer is yes, yes he can.
