Ah yes, the Union that has no power what so ever. Good point.
breaking Supreme Court sides with coach who sought to pray after games
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The "exact same principle" would be Muslim students praying after the game on the field...
Praying in the cafeteria during lunch isn't the same thing.
Regardless I think you would have a hard time finding a court that would make it illegal for Muslim Students to pray on their own during lunch unless it was somehow disruptive.
That isn't to say that there arn't Karens out there would would absolutely flip out over it. But I doubt anyone would make it against the rules.
He can now. People, specifically Christians, don't have to take part. That's the freedom of it all. And he can take crap from others just like Christians do.
Excellent post. I especially agree with number 3. Coaches are notorious for withholding playing time for personal reasons.
That said, the dissent isn't helped by being so incredibly poor. They start of by saying the majority ignored the facts, then made statements that clearly mischaracterized facts.
Should a teacher be able to wear religious garb in a school while "representing the state"? I think so....I have no problem with a Muslim woman wearing the Hijab.
How would that be coercive? Nobody said the coach can't wear a cross around his neck. Apples and hammers.
I've been more or less coerced to pray by a public school football coach. Would you, as a stranger in town going to the only public school available (mind you as a teenager or younger), have dared shared your actual thoughts about the practice? Or just gone along with the coercion since it's stupid sky fairy stuff anyway? I did the latter, I would rather not have had to choose.
LOL...this isn't "someone". This is your HS football coach. Making a deliberate public spectacle of marching out to midfield and kneeling in prayer while you are still under his supervision. And you're a 16-year-old kid who wants to play.
No but I think that’s the line that needs to be drawn. SC had seemingly drawn that line in a case a few years back - I forget the case name, and then took it back with this ruling.
I’m not christian trash….so, I give you no points for your attempt.
Most religious court in 70 years according to NPR. I'm sure that makes about 35% of you very happy.
I’ll be sure to remember that when I care about winning an argument on HORT.
Man, it definitely seems awkward to me and I can imagine some kids feel compelled to participate even if they would prefer not to.
People refusing to acknowledge reality are generally not in my agreement zone. So yeah.
I wouldn't consider a plainly stated as optional, for people interested, prayer group after a game to be coercive enough.
You're walking a fine line, however, in general, I think we should have a bit of latitude on stuff like this. To me religion in this scenario wouldn't be any different than some optional LGBTQ gathering as led by a school official.
I think religion is just tossed into the same pool as all that sort of stuff. Religion gets no special privileges, but on the flip side, it doesn't face any unique rejection criteria. I'd probably toss it under the umbrella of "special cultural interest."
Of course that opens the doors for satanic worship after the game as well. Or maybe the coach is EMO and does some weird EMO shit after the game.
But I tend to think being inclusive is the way to go on this stuff. I say open it up.
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Here's reality for those of you who struggle with the concept:
You must hate watching sports with all the home runs and touch downs being scored. All those signing the cross to thank God.
You're a kid on a HS football team and you want to play. How coercive is it for your coach to announce that he's going to create a public spectacle in support of his faith but you're more than welcome to sit it out?
How about before you take the field as a team? That happened when I was in high school and I doubt we were unique in that and I would bet there will be a lot more of it going forward as football coaches are the virtue signaliest of all virtue signalers. It'll be fine just as long as everyone who doesn't want to participate tells coach man to man "hey your stupid Jesus nonsense isn't for me so this is optional unless you want to get the school district sued."
This wasn't about the players. Ever. Try to keep up.
It happens with teams all over the country. Teams have prayers before games and not everyone in those huddles believe in the Christian God, but feel it’s safer to just bow their heads and go along with it. That’s fact. Common sense as well.
You could be coerced. But is the dynamic any different than a teacher in a science class that offers up an optional after class gathering for those interested in climate advocacy?
I was erring on the side of inclusion and possible messiness at the edges rather than saying no to everything.
Climate advocacy - despite the unhinged claims of the right - isn't a religion.
If you don’t think a non-Christian or atheist or Muslim on a team is being forced to participate in prayer when the person leading the prayer is his high school coach and the person who determines if the player plays, you are fooling yourself.
How well circumscribed was the process? That's where it gets tricky. I could see it being reasonable and respectfully done, or, being pushed upon people.
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