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Brokered GOP Convention? Who Will the Brokers Choose?

Nov 28, 2010
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I floated this idea a few months ago. Didn't really think it would happen (and still don't) but with all the comic book characters running and no adults rising to fill the void, I was anticipating that the GOP simply wouldn't allow another disastrous ticket to be the result.

So now the news shows are talking about it. And Ben Carson is (correctly, imo) pushing back against it.

Yet it still remains that the trajectory of the debates and polls can't be making serious GOP movers and shakers too happy.

The question I have zero feel for, though, is who they would like on the ticket. If the back-room boys take over, who will they pick?

Who would you pick? Is there someone good in the wings?
 
Seriously. Bench everyone else. Beg Powell to take the nomination. His time as SOS was way better than Hillary's. He has virtually no baggage, other than being connected to Bush. He is well respected by both sides. Supports gay marriage. Isn't owned by Wall Street. Hell, I would probably vote for him over Hillary.
 
Rubio, Cruz, Christe in no particular order.

Really need to see how the primaries turn out to have a better idea.
 
A brokered convention would choose someone who had committed delegates in the hall. Probably Rubio, Christie or Cruz. The deal could include someone like Kasich as the VP. I doubt they turn to someone not currently in the race, but if they do, Romney is the only choice.

I don't think it will be brokered and I believe voters will wake up on Trump before February. Next week's debate will be interesting.
 
Seriously. Bench everyone else. Beg Powell to take the nomination. His time as SOS was way better than Hillary's. He has virtually no baggage, other than being connected to Bush. He is well respected by both sides. Supports gay marriage. Isn't owned by Wall Street. Hell, I would probably vote for him over Hillary.

The GOP hates Powell. He never would run due to his wife's mental health, and it's doubtful he still considers himself to be Republican.
 
Knowingly, or unknowingly, Colin Powell lied to the nation about the threat Saddam Hussien posed to the United States. He is either a liar, or a useful idiot...either way he ain't ever gonna be POTUS.
 
Knowingly, or unknowingly, Colin Powell lied to the nation about the threat Saddam Hussien posed to the United States. He is either a liar, or a useful idiot...either way he ain't ever gonna be POTUS.
Uhhhh, I'll take KNOWINGLY for 500 please. ;)

Does anyone seriously think that Jeb isn't going to be crowned if a brokered convention comes to pass? The Bushies and the Clintons are joined at the hip: our masters can rest easy with either of them at the helm.
 
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Uhhhh, I'll take KNOWINGLY for 500 please. ;)

Does anyone seriously think that Jeb isn't going to be crowned if a brokered convention comes to pass? The Bushies and the Clintons are joined at the hip: our masters can rest easy with either of them at the helm.
Bush
Kasich
Rubio
Fiorina

The establishment is worried because none of those candidates (listed in what I suspect it the order preferred by the GOP leadership and with the understanding that Bush and Rubio can't be on the same ticket). They might let Christie on the list if he performs a lot better.

Presumably Bush won't accept the 2nd spot. So that leaves us with these "GOP approved" possibilities.

Bush-Kasich
Bush-Firoina
Kasich-Rubio
Kasich-Fiorina
Rubio-Kasich
Rubio-Fiorina

The CNN debate is in a couple of days. With X'mas approaching, this could be the last big-stage appearance until next year and could lock in whoever does best in that event. After all, who is going to spend a lot on political advertising until after X'mas?

Fiorina always gets a boost from the debates. I don't understand it. She's an extremely irritating scold who has zero respect for the truth and is more war-mongering than most in that war-mongering group. But, hey, different strokes....
 
The GOP voted-out the ability to broker or change anything. Ron Paul's campaigns scared the sh*t out of the GOP (and teh establishment in general) and they basically removed the traditional delegate process. In spite of a huge uproar from those who were present at the 2012 convention. Boehner pounded the gavel: "The Ayes have it!" No more Republic in Republican after that.
 
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Bush
Kasich
Rubio
Fiorina

The establishment is worried because none of those candidates (listed in what I suspect it the order preferred by the GOP leadership and with the understanding that Bush and Rubio can't be on the same ticket). They might let Christie on the list if he performs a lot better.

Presumably Bush won't accept the 2nd spot. So that leaves us with these "GOP approved" possibilities.

Bush-Kasich
Bush-Firoina
Kasich-Rubio
Kasich-Fiorina
Rubio-Kasich
Rubio-Fiorina

The CNN debate is in a couple of days. With X'mas approaching, this could be the last big-stage appearance until next year and could lock in whoever does best in that event. After all, who is going to spend a lot on political advertising until after X'mas?

Fiorina always gets a boost from the debates. I don't understand it. She's an extremely irritating scold who has zero respect for the truth and is more war-mongering than most in that war-mongering group. But, hey, different strokes....

If they brokered both the POTUS and VPOTUS nominations it would likely be Rubio - Kasich.

Rubio has the name recognition for establishment Republicans and Kasich is in there because he's sane and has political experience. Kasich has too little name recognition to be the nominee but he's perfect for a VPOTUS nomination. Sane, a team player and not likely to screw things up for the POTUS nominee.

A brokered solution won't bring in Fiorina because they are going to naturally prefer people with political experience over those without any. The base might like outsiders and it sounds good for a while but when you get into the general election you want someone with some sort of experience or Hilary will pound them on that.

I also doubt they would select Bush because of his name. Nothing personal against Jeb but convincing people to create a situation where one half the last 6 presidents is a Bush AND not getting too tied up with his brother's administration is a hard sell.

So of all those ideas you suggested for a brokered nomination, I think Rubio - Kasich is only realistic choice.

However I agree I don't think they would go for a brokered solution. It would be political suicide on a number of levels. First it would send a lot of Republicans out of the fold because they would feel their vote didn't count in the primaries and that the insiders basically took over. They would likely form a 3rd party or join one of the other small conservative parties and nominate the guy who won the vote. (Likely Trump)

Secondly even if that didn't happen it would be too easy to attack them and their nominee on. A nominee chosen by the elites within the Republican party over the wishes of their voters. You couldn't set that up more perfectly for Hilary to knock out of the park. And of course the selection say it's Rubio would have to spend the entire time defending the very process by which he was nominated by and not being able to tell the American people why he would be a good president or at the very least better then Hilary.
 
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I floated this idea a few months ago. Didn't really think it would happen (and still don't) but with all the comic book characters running and no adults rising to fill the void, I was anticipating that the GOP simply wouldn't allow another disastrous ticket to be the result.

So now the news shows are talking about it. And Ben Carson is (correctly, imo) pushing back against it.

Yet it still remains that the trajectory of the debates and polls can't be making serious GOP movers and shakers too happy.

The question I have zero feel for, though, is who they would like on the ticket. If the back-room boys take over, who will they pick?

Who would you pick? Is there someone good in the wings?

Who chose the brokers?
 
If they brokered both the POTUS and VPOTUS nominations it would likely be Rubio - Kasich.

Rubio has the name recognition for establishment Republicans and Kasich is in there because he's sane and has political experience. Kasich has too little name recognition to be the nominee but he's perfect for a VPOTUS nomination. Sane, a team player and not likely to screw things up for the POTUS nominee.

A brokered solution won't bring in Fiorina because they are going to naturally prefer people with political experience over those without any. The base might like outsiders and it sounds good for a while but when you get into the general election you want someone with some sort of experience or Hilary will pound them on that.

I also doubt they would select Bush because of his name. Nothing personal against Jeb but convincing people to create a situation where one half the last 6 presidents is a Bush AND not getting too tied up with his brother's administration is a hard sell.

So of all those ideas you suggested for a brokered nomination, I think Rubio - Kasich is only realistic choice.

However I agree I don't think they would go for a brokered solution. It would be political suicide on a number of levels. First it would send a lot of Republicans out of the fold because they would feel their vote didn't count in the primaries and that the insiders basically took over. They would likely form a 3rd party or join one of the other small conservative parties and nominate the guy who won the vote. (Likely Trump)

Secondly even if that didn't happen it would be too easy to attack them and their nominee on. A nominee chosen by the elites within the Republican party over the wishes of their voters. You couldn't set that up more perfectly for Hilary to knock out of the park. And of course the selection say it's Rubio would have to spend the entire time defending the very process by which he was nominated by and not being able to tell the American people why he would be a good president or at the very least better then Hilary.
Good analysis. I agree on most points but come to a different conclusion about the most likely ticket.

Bush-Kasich

Sure, both of them have proved to be crappy in the debates. I'm not sure they would be equally crappy one-on-one but even if they are, they could just minimize the number of debates and hold them early, so they have a smaller lasting effect.

Rubio is by far a better debater than Bush. But he's being criticized for his (lack of) campaigning chops everywhere other than the debate stage.

Rubio also faces the complaint that Rs have been throwing at Obama for 8 years: inadequate experience.

Plus, he's Hispanic. Which might be a good thing with the increasing H demographic. But he's Cuban, which is a very different Hispanic sub-demo. And, unlike most other Cuban-Americans, his family didn't flee Castro's Cuba but, rather, Batista's Cuba. Batista being the US-backed dictator that Castro overthrew.

Moreover, Rubio has noticeably backed off his earlier support for bipartisan immigration reform. And the GOP, in general, hasn't been making many inroads among H voters.

And finally, Rubio is sort of an anchor baby. He's a natural born citizen only if you agree that being born here despite being born to non-citizen parents makes you a natural born citizen. Rubio's parents became citizens after he was born.

Personally, I don't care about any of those objections. Because I'm a liberal. And maybe they won't matter to that many Rs. But you know they will be used against him. And since the Rs have been pushing those memes for a long time, that could put off some R voters.

And then there's the mistress thing. Another issue that liberals don't care much about, but conservatives might.
 
I hope trump runs as independent of that play out.

Nike the republicans they deserve it for not showing fiscal responsibility after crying about it for a decade or better.
 
Bush
Kasich
Rubio
Fiorina

The establishment is worried because none of those candidates (listed in what I suspect it the order preferred by the GOP leadership and with the understanding that Bush and Rubio can't be on the same ticket). They might let Christie on the list if he performs a lot better.

Presumably Bush won't accept the 2nd spot. So that leaves us with these "GOP approved" possibilities.

Bush-Kasich
Bush-Firoina
Kasich-Rubio
Kasich-Fiorina
Rubio-Kasich
Rubio-Fiorina

The CNN debate is in a couple of days. With X'mas approaching, this could be the last big-stage appearance until next year and could lock in whoever does best in that event. After all, who is going to spend a lot on political advertising until after X'mas?

Fiorina always gets a boost from the debates. I don't understand it. She's an extremely irritating scold who has zero respect for the truth and is more war-mongering than most in that war-mongering group. But, hey, different strokes....
Republicans enjoy being lied to .
 
If they brokered both the POTUS and VPOTUS nominations it would likely be Rubio - Kasich.

Rubio has the name recognition for establishment Republicans and Kasich is in there because he's sane and has political experience. Kasich has too little name recognition to be the nominee but he's perfect for a VPOTUS nomination. Sane, a team player and not likely to screw things up for the POTUS nominee.

A brokered solution won't bring in Fiorina because they are going to naturally prefer people with political experience over those without any. The base might like outsiders and it sounds good for a while but when you get into the general election you want someone with some sort of experience or Hilary will pound them on that.

I also doubt they would select Bush because of his name. Nothing personal against Jeb but convincing people to create a situation where one half the last 6 presidents is a Bush AND not getting too tied up with his brother's administration is a hard sell.

So of all those ideas you suggested for a brokered nomination, I think Rubio - Kasich is only realistic choice.

However I agree I don't think they would go for a brokered solution. It would be political suicide on a number of levels. First it would send a lot of Republicans out of the fold because they would feel their vote didn't count in the primaries and that the insiders basically took over. They would likely form a 3rd party or join one of the other small conservative parties and nominate the guy who won the vote. (Likely Trump)

Secondly even if that didn't happen it would be too easy to attack them and their nominee on. A nominee chosen by the elites within the Republican party over the wishes of their voters. You couldn't set that up more perfectly for Hilary to knock out of the park. And of course the selection say it's Rubio would have to spend the entire time defending the very process by which he was nominated by and not being able to tell the American people why he would be a good president or at the very least better then Hilary.


A brokered deal would be Rubio with a good possibility of Kasich for VP but I don't expect a brokered deal to happen.

IMO Rubio is the only R who can take down Clinton but only above the table. Bill Clinton and other Dems have acknowledged that Rubio is the man who scares them. If Rubio is given the nomination in an under the table deal it will have a HUGE backlash for the Republicans. It could even agitate Republican voters to stay home on election night and impact other races besides president.
 
If the Republicans get to the point where they have to broker a deal, they're in serious trouble. It would give Trump all sorts of cover to run as an independent and enable him to drum up huge support from all the conservatives who are tired of the establishment.
 
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