Nebraska with a piss poor net. Man, what a disappointment of a day. Got some nice therapy listening to the women on the radio driving home.
BTT seed isn't what hurts, probably baked into 8/9 seed for the dance barring an unlikely run
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fire Fran now. Michigan did that years ago right before the e tournament and won the whole damn thing
The BTT seed absolutely matters - in terms of trying to use that event as a vehicle to improve NCAA seeding.
If NW wins this final regular season game, Iowa will be the 5-seed and have MSU waiting for them on Friday [should they get that far].
MSU is a team I don't want the Hawks even having a chance of seeing until a week from today. They are hot from 3 and are playing well.
If NW wins this final regular season game, Iowa will be the 5-seed and have MSU waiting for them on Friday [should they get that far].
MSU is a team I don't want the Hawks even having a chance of seeing until a week from today. They are hot from 3 and are playing well.
Can't believe we're f*ing scared to maybe have to face Wisconsin again.
But here we are.
I'd love to play Wisconsin again. Put up or shut up against them.
MSU is a solid team, but they aren't particularly bad defensive matchup for us. Purdue to me is the one that would thrash us again. Illini were also a difficult matchup for us and we barely won at Carver.
I was expecting 1 win in BTT.... the 1 win may be easier without the double bye.
If we somehow play Nebraska again, maybe this team could get up and not get swept.
I don’t think anyone wants to play anyone in this conference other than Minnesota
I actually like the idea of starting play on Thursday, to improve chances of winning at least 1 game.
But a loss on Thursday would be infinitely worse for the 'body of work' than a loss on Friday would be - assuming the 5 seed advances. It'd be Michigan in this case.
And Michigan will be HUNGRY, because they are on the bubble and NEED wins.
But a loss on Thursday would be infinitely worse for the 'body of work' than a loss on Friday would be - assuming the 5 seed advances. It'd be Michigan in this case.
And Michigan will be HUNGRY, because they are on the bubble and NEED wins.
Although, I gotta say, a Rutgers win tonight would set up a potential "play in" game scenario if Wisconsin were to beat Ohio St on Wednesday.
Would set up a Wisconsin vs Michigan game on Thursdsay. Both teams are sitting very precariously on the bubble, probably leaning towards falling out.
Would set up a Wisconsin vs Michigan game on Thursdsay. Both teams are sitting very precariously on the bubble, probably leaning towards falling out.
Give me Wisconsin on Thursday.
It could be worse fellas we could be Rutgers. This trash is unwatchable.
LOL!
Northwestern burned ITSELF twice in that half.
1 Berry turns to the ref to yell about RU traveling, which allows his guy to get the rebound or loose ball and score - after getting up off the floor
2 Beran celebrates blocking Omoyouri at the end of the half instead of finishing the play, but O gets the ball back and banks it in at the buzzer
Northwestern burned ITSELF twice in that half.
1 Berry turns to the ref to yell about RU traveling, which allows his guy to get the rebound or loose ball and score - after getting up off the floor
2 Beran celebrates blocking Omoyouri at the end of the half instead of finishing the play, but O gets the ball back and banks it in at the buzzer
Poke my eyes out watching this shit. Minnesota up vs Wisconsin at half!
Call me crazy, but I disagree.
Purdue is the one team who has the least to play for in Chicago - they are an NCAA 2 seed, at the very worst - and will their guards make everything again, away from West Lafayette?
Give me a matchup vs Purdue before MSU.
But I could be very wrong. Certainly wouldn't be the first time, or the last time.
Nobody is going to want to hear this after a loss, but the 7 seed is very much still in play. It really just depends on what this particular committee is valuing. One thing that Iowa has, that most others in that range don't is the number of Q1&2 wins and wins against the field.
Iowa: 13-9 Q1&2 / 9 wins against the field
Duke: 10-8 Q1&2 / 5 wins against the field
MSU: 12-10 Q1&2 / 5 wins against field ( 6 w/ Wisconsin)
Northwestern 10-10 Q1&2 / 6 wins against field (8 w/ Wisconsin
Illinois: 9-11 Q1&2 / 5 wins against the field (7 w/ Wisconsin)
Maryland: 8-11 Q1&2 / 6 wins against the field (7 w/ Wisconsin)
Arkansas: 7-11 Q1&2 / 4 wins against the field
Arkansas and MSU are the only ones of this group with a Q3 loss. It's going to come down to that age old question, how many quality wins = a bad loss? Iowa just needs to finish top 4 of this group. I would lean that Iowa's likely an 8 seed right now, but I don't think folks should be that surprised if they end up as a 7.
Iowa: 13-9 Q1&2 / 9 wins against the field
Duke: 10-8 Q1&2 / 5 wins against the field
MSU: 12-10 Q1&2 / 5 wins against field ( 6 w/ Wisconsin)
Northwestern 10-10 Q1&2 / 6 wins against field (8 w/ Wisconsin
Illinois: 9-11 Q1&2 / 5 wins against the field (7 w/ Wisconsin)
Maryland: 8-11 Q1&2 / 6 wins against the field (7 w/ Wisconsin)
Arkansas: 7-11 Q1&2 / 4 wins against the field
Arkansas and MSU are the only ones of this group with a Q3 loss. It's going to come down to that age old question, how many quality wins = a bad loss? Iowa just needs to finish top 4 of this group. I would lean that Iowa's likely an 8 seed right now, but I don't think folks should be that surprised if they end up as a 7.
If Hawks can win a couple (or 3, if start on Thursday) games in BTT, they're a 7.
Anything less, they are in an 8/9 game.
Actually, if they lose on Thursday, could slip down to a 10. Which would not be the worst thing ever.
I think you are over valuing the effect of 1 game. It's bad. I'm not going to sit here and say the sun is shining. But there's just a lot of meat on the bone for Iowa's resume. Kentucky is right in this same seed range and picked up a Q3 loss earlier this week (their third Q3/4 loss as well) and they just didn't drop in most bracketologies. I'm curious to see where Iowa is placed on seed lists tomorrow when they start coming out. I'd guess they're on the 8 line, but just from my scrub they'd be at the top of the 8 and closer to a 7 than folks assume.
Iowa will get a Q2 game in their first BTT game no matter what. I don't think even losing that would be enough to drop them below the 8/9 line. A win could very easily get them back to a 7.
They should be out. This is horrific.
Iowa is an 8 seed right now. Think they need 2 wins minimum in BTT to get back to where they were before today's debacle.
Yeah I think it's been settled in the past a one-and-done for a tourney lock team doesn't drops them a full seed line. That said, going 1-1 won't lift them either off that line either. Beating Michigan State might and beating Purdue definitely would.
Well, both teams have to make it to the BTT championship, since we are now guaranteed to be on opposite sides of the bracket (Iowa 4/5, Neb 11).
Nebraska was 96 NET a Quad 3 loss so today was very damaging.
If the Hawks hadn't lost the EIU game and not been swept by Nebraska, I would absolutely not be worried about a thing right now - in terms of their NCAA seeding.
But they did, and I think they need at least 2 wins in Chicago to have a shot at anything better than an 8/9 game. That's jmo.
Guys Bardo said Nebraska controlled most of the 2nd half vs us just now. Lol
It's really hard to not be prisoner's of the moment with this stuff. It's probably my biggest gripe with Lunardi is that there's now this expectations for big swings after every game. I was very surprised when most bracketologists did not move Kentucky at all after their home loss to Vanderbilt (mid 80s NET time of loss). And most that I trust had Iowa teetering between the bottom 6 seed and the top 7 seed before the game today. We shall see what the loss to the mid 90s NET Nebraska does for most prognosticators tomorrow.
Just eyeballing it, and I'm just a hobbyist who likes this sort of stuff, I would have the 7 line to be Duke, MSU, Northwestern in that order. Probably Maryland as the last 7. Then the 8 line I have Iowa, Missouri, Illinois, and Arkansas in that order. It's splitting hairs to be honest and again it all just depends on what this particular committee values most. Do they like high tier wins? Would they rather see okay wins but no bad losses? How much weight do you place on metrics? There's lots of ways to spin it and I don't think there's an actual right or wrong answer when trying to order this grouping.
Just eyeballing it, and I'm just a hobbyist who likes this sort of stuff, I would have the 7 line to be Duke, MSU, Northwestern in that order. Probably Maryland as the last 7. Then the 8 line I have Iowa, Missouri, Illinois, and Arkansas in that order. It's splitting hairs to be honest and again it all just depends on what this particular committee values most. Do they like high tier wins? Would they rather see okay wins but no bad losses? How much weight do you place on metrics? There's lots of ways to spin it and I don't think there's an actual right or wrong answer when trying to order this grouping.
IA will shut up, Kris will wet his pants again in the limelight. Murray was terrible considering how many offensive plays are set up for him. 23% on 3-13 from 3 point, 60% from the FT line, 36% overall FG% percentage.
Relatively easily to lead the team in scoring when you shoot twice the amount of times than anyone else save Rebraca. And Murray is supposed to be our alpha, team leader?
Seems like a none / one wins int the BTT and NCAA tourney's this year.
What a disappointment after the IN game.
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Let's face it, the whole criteria for judging this year and Fran's tenure is still right in front of them.
They are in the NCAA tourney. Nothing less than a Sweet 16 will do.
They are in the NCAA tourney. Nothing less than a Sweet 16 will do.
Give me UCLA, they atleast wont out athlete us like Houston, KU, or Alabama. We will try and track race those teams and get run out the building.
