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There are 3 CA Hugh schools ranked in the top 20 and nine from IA or IL. Is this because those CA schools are private? Less parity in CA so wrestlers opt in to good programs? There are lots of good kids that come from CA but not to the apperent numbers that IA puts out. Thoughts?
 
There are 3 CA Hugh schools ranked in the top 20 and nine from IA or IL. Is this because those CA schools are private? Less parity in CA so wrestlers opt in to good programs? There are lots of good kids that come from CA but not to the apperent numbers that IA puts out. Thoughts?

No, the top 3 California schools are all public. The highest private is #8 in the state.

<Edit: for the parity question, it could be a factor of the number of high schools that have wrestling programs and that Cali schools probably have a much bigger range of enrollment size than Iowa. The talent is actually spread out more so that there aren't as many top 20 schools in the national rankings.>

I bet Cali has caught or passed Iowa in recent years. (The AA #s by state have been posted in the past... have to see if I can find them..)
 
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From Iowa originally, but have been in CA for many years. Imho, CA has passed Iowa as far as more highly ranked wrestlers.

Looking at intermat rankings, CA has 6 guys ranked in top 5, while IA has zero (faught and Teske are the highest rated, each ranked #6. Per capita, Iowa still is probably tops in country (Okla does well too). But with 40m people, CA has a humongous pool to draw from.

SEP or Valley vs a top CA team such as Clovis or Buchanan would be fun to see, but would probably favor the CA team.
 
From Iowa originally, but have been in CA for many years. Imho, CA has passed Iowa as far as more highly ranked wrestlers.

Looking at intermat rankings, CA has 6 guys ranked in top 5, while IA has zero (faught and Teske are the highest rated, each ranked #6. Per capita, Iowa still is probably tops in country (Okla does well too). But with 40m people, CA has a humongous pool to draw from.

SEP or Valley vs a top CA team such as Clovis or Buchanan would be fun to see, but would probably favor the CA team.

The central valley alone is like western PA in terms of tough wrestling.
 
If population were the reason, Texas should have teams in the top 10.

There are multiple factors. Having a wrestling culture and infrastructure are important, as well as population.

Iowa has a great culture, but a relatively small population. Texas has a big population, but the culture for wrestling isn't up there with Iowa (football in TX trounces everything else). PA and OH have both. CA tops everyone in population, and the culture is good at the HS level, not so much at d1 college level.
 
Pretty sure California has a way bigger population than Texas.
You missed my point. I wasn't comparing Ca to Tx. You suggested that they had more people so they'd have more top programs. Tx has way more people than IA but not as many top wrestling programs. I think Rossel summed it up well. Ca emerging as the wrestling culture grows. It'd be nice to get wrestling as a unit in gym class again. Too bad Ca families have to pay for gym class now that the state is broke.
 
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Several years ago I had an interesting conversation with a former University of Iowa wrestler who was a longtime coach on the west coast (Oregon). He observed the state of California was simply loaded with great young wrestlers, many more than he ever saw during his time in Iowa. Yet the problem was always finding a way to get these kids past the high school level of wrestling. The majority of these kids do not want to leave California in the middle of January for places like Iowa City, Ann Arbor, Happy Valley, or Columbus! These campuses are light years away and located in a different cosmos. I am certainly aware of a handful of kids who do make to these outpost of collegiate wrestling, but can you imagine a kid from the beaches of California taking a recruiting visit to Iowa City in February/March? WHOOA!
 
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You missed my point. I wasn't comparing Ca to Tx. You suggested that they had more people so they'd have more top programs. Tax has way more people than IA but not as many top wrestling programs. I think Rossel summed it up well. Ca emerging as the wrestling culture grows. It'd be nice to get wrestling as a unit in gym class again. Too bad Ca families have to pay for gym class now that the state is broke.
The OP was asking about California not Texas. I believe you may be off point.
 
From Iowa originally, but have been in CA for many years. Imho, CA has passed Iowa as far as more highly ranked wrestlers.

Looking at intermat rankings, CA has 6 guys ranked in top 5, while IA has zero (faught and Teske are the highest rated, each ranked #6. Per capita, Iowa still is probably tops in country (Okla does well too). But with 40m people, CA has a humongous pool to draw from.

SEP or Valley vs a top CA team such as Clovis or Buchanan would be fun to see, but would probably favor the CA team.
Keep in mind that that dual would have to take place in Illinois, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, South Dakota, or Wisconsin, per IHSAA rules.
 
Part of the disparity between Cali and other less populated areas is a lack of programs at a fair amount of High School. For example, most of the inner city schools in LA don't have wrestling teams.

I work with a guy who wrestled free and Greco as a youth, but had to give it up because the school he was slated to attend didn't have wrestling and neither did the neighboring schools.

More than most areas of the country, football and basketball reign supreme in Cali. Look at the number of pros in both sports from CA. Long Beach Poly boasts more NFL football player alumni than any other HS in the country. Many throughout the state still think of wrestling as "And whatcha gonna do bruther, when the 24" pythons run wild on you?!" and have little or no knowledge of actual wrestling. In the Midwest at least there is local wrestling coverage on the radio or local TV. Here in Cali, we have nothing Jon Snow.

Almost everyone I know does fantasy football with huge draft parties and guys obsess about players and root against their favorite teams sometimes, because they have a guy on their fantasy team who plays for the other team. But, I am somehow viewed as the weirdo for loving wrestling.

The OC used to be a hotbed for wrestling, but now as Chief said, its Northern Cali with Buchanan and Clovis being nationally ranked year in and year out and being located less than 4 miles from each other.

Plenty of superstar athletes that choose other sports exclusively or only wrestle part of the year and do other sports the rest of the year is another factor I believe
 
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Part of the disparity between Cali and other less populated areas is a lack of programs at a fair amount of High School. For example, most of the inner city schools in LA don't have wrestling teams.

I work with a guy who wrestled free and Greco as a youth, but had to give it up because the school he was slated to attend didn't have wrestling and neither did the neighboring schools.

More than most areas of the country, football and basketball reign supreme in Cali. Look at the number of pros in both sports from CA. Long Beach Poly boasts more NFL football player alumni than any other HS in the country. Many throughout the state still think of wrestling as "And whatcha gonna do bruther, when the 24" pythons run wild on you?!" and have little or no knowledge of actual wrestling. In the Midwest at least there is local wrestling coverage on the radio or local TV. Here in Cali, we have nothing Jon Snow.

Almost everyone I know does fantasy football with huge draft parties and guys obsess about players and root against their favorite teams sometimes, because they have a guy on their fantasy team who plays for the other team. But, I am somehow viewed as the weirdo for loving wrestling.

The OC used to be a hotbed for wrestling, but now as Chief said, its Northern Cali with Buchanan and Clovis being nationally ranked year in and year out and being located less than 4 miles from each other.

Plenty of superstar athletes that choose other sports exclusively or only wrestle part of the year and do other sports the rest of the year is another factor I believe

It really is a different culture for wrestling here in CA.

In the bay area (San Jose, Oakland, SF) there is next to no coverage of collegiate wrestling, and not great HS coverage either. Even the state HS tournament will have little coverage.... a small article on page 8, with no pictures. It always amazes me how much coverage the Cedar Rapids and Des Moines papers have by comparison.... multiple pages, articles, pictures.
 
The southern section Masters tournament (state qualifier) has over 600 schools with athletes eligible to compete and the years that I have attended it obviously is a full house. Its gotten so big that they can't house it at the high school they used to hold it at. They have moved it to the Ontario Convention Center. All that and still very little media coverage.
 
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The southern section Masters tournament (state qualifier) has over 600 schools with athletes eligible to compete and the years that I have attended it obviously is a full house. Its gotten so big that they can't house it at the high school they used to hold it at. They have moved it to the Ontario Convention Center. All that and still very little media coverage.
The thing about Cali (in my experience here) is that the youth programs are few and far between - and require kids to go to expensive clubs. The number of kids that finally show up as FR in HS and want to wrestle for the first time ever is sick. Some of them get hammered and stick it out until they graduate. Most quit. Los Alamitos has a program (just started a couple years back) for the mat monsters. My point is ... Yep Cali may have 30Kish wrestlers in HS - but most are inexperienced and quit soon after. But I think that tide is turning for the better - with schools like Los Alamitos and some others getting kids started as early as 6. Maybe we are seeing some of that already. Just hope that CSUF / CSULB / UCLA get teams soon (**** title 9 crap)
 
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I would love to see a local team like Los Al consistently compete at a high level, but color me pessimistic. Los Al is a small town of less than 25,000. They are a football powerhouse and have been for sometime. I work with a guy who went to LAHS and played for some of their dominant football teams in the early 2000s. (They had some nationally ranked teams) He wasn't even aware if they had a wrestling program when he was in school. He said everything was all about football. Successful youth wrestling programs are certainly the key to creating a sustainable successful program. That'd be awesome if the mat monsters could continue to grow and develop into a successful program. Lots of luck.
 
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I would love to see a local team like Los Al consistently compete at a high level, but color me pessimistic. Los Al is a small town of less than 25,000. They are a football powerhouse and have been for sometime. I work with a guy who went to LAHS and played for some of their dominant football teams in the early 2000s. (They had some nationally ranked teams) He wasn't even aware if they had a wrestling program when he was in school. He said everything was all about football. Successful youth wrestling programs are certainly the key to creating a sustainable successful program. That'd be awesome if the mat monsters could continue to grow and develop into a successful program. Lots of luck.
Yeah - Football and Girls Volleyball seem to be the focus. I think Ken Torres has the program moving in the right direction. lol about the small town of 25K (shit - most of the posters on here from iowa grew up in towns less than 5k - me less than 500 - and i was on a small farm outside of that)
 
Yeah - Football and Girls Volleyball seem to be the focus. I think Ken Torres has the program moving in the right direction. lol about the small town of 25K (shit - most of the posters on here from iowa grew up in towns less than 5k - me less than 500 - and i was on a small farm outside of that)

Used to think Iowa City and Ames were huge when I was a kid. On my visits to IC, I am like it will be cool to live in a nice small college town.
 
As far as wrestling in TX high schools is not a lot, but the biggest (no pun intended) is that some of the HSs here have girls teams and a separate state tournament.
 
Updated team HS rankings from Intermat. CA and Iowa each have 4 teams in top 50:

CA has #2,6,14,31 (Buchanan, Clovis, Poway, Gilroy) Poway is private,
the others public

IA has #35,36,39,41 (SEP, ValleyWDM, New Hampton, Ft Dodge)
 
Poway is public

oops... I stand corrected, thanks Az

Years ago I read they got an expensive new wrestling facility, and always assumed they were private.

<<In the fall of 2000, long-time Poway wrestling fan, Dr. Perry L. Munday, decided to make a very generous donation of $1,000,000 to create a new wrestling practice facility at Poway High School. >>
 
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