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If anyone thinks that renewables can totally replace fossil fuel generation they are wrong. Wind and solar are good because there is zero fuel costs with them. Also much lower labor costs. But there will always be a need for online, governor responsive generation to follow the changes in load.Was this "brief" period associated with a goldilocks sunlight situation?
“Runs”
so every semi, truck, car, box truck, airplane runs on electricity?
Really? No gas guzzling cars sitting bumper to bumper on the Santa Monica Freeway? Damn that’s impressive
Was this "brief" period associated with a goldilocks sunlight situation?
Maybe true, but anybody who thinks the current gig lasts over five more years is not paying attention.If anyone thinks that renewables can totally replace fossil fuel generation they are wrong. Wind and solar are good because there is zero fuel costs with them. Also much lower labor costs. But there will always be a need for online, governor responsive generation to follow the changes in load.
Not mad, everybody wants renewable clean energy. Just not fathomable for another 50-70 years. We are “mad” at the 100% misleading headline.Geez. Some of you seem mad for what appears to be positive progress. Why? This is pretty awesome, imo.
50- 70 years? That’s crazy talk.Not mad, everybody wants renewable clean energy. Just not fathomable for another 50-70 years. We are “mad” at the 100% misleading headline.
Yeah. You’re insane if you think all fossil fuels will be wiped anytime soon.50- 70 years? That’s crazy talk.
But, you know that, IMIRITE?
The truth is, renewables are already more cost effective than fossils.
Duke Power just won a bid to place a big wind farm off of the coast of North Carolina. They have fought clean air and water laws for decades. They have lobbied for less payback for renewable producers who sell surplus to the grid.
The reason they bid on a wind farm tract? Because it will make $en$e.
Geez. Some of you seem mad for what appears to be positive progress. Why? This is pretty awesome, imo.
I did not say all fossil fuels. Try again. Look at my post #9 in this thread.Yeah. You’re insane if you think all fossil fuels will be wiped anytime soon.
Yeah. All planes and industrial equipment will be electric in the near future? You’re nuts.I did not say all fossil fuels. Try again.
You are insane if, according to your first post, you think an almost complete change will take 50-70 years.
It is happening all around us. Look into how much juice Iowa wind farms grab out of the breeze.
Renewables already produce cheaper power and their costs will continue to lessen. Fossil costs will continue to rise.
It is already a no brainer.
Look at my post #9 in this thread. I refer to specialized transport.Yeah. All planes and industrial equipment will be electric in the near future? You’re nuts.
What "maintenance"?The manufacturing and maintenance of all those shelf-life solar panels relies heavily upon fossil fuels, but yes.
It reminds me of this, a paper straw wrapped in plastic.The manufacturing and maintenance of all those shelf-life solar panels relies heavily upon fossil fuels, but yes.
What "maintenance"?
The panels will create hotspots and fires from time to time
What "maintenance"?
Really? How do the workers get there? Do they live in tents near the area?So do power lines.
Cleaning them doesn't require "fossil fuels", either.
Sure would be cool to reduce dependencies on fossil fuels howeverIf anyone thinks that renewables can totally replace fossil fuel generation they are wrong. Wind and solar are good because there is zero fuel costs with them. Also much lower labor costs. But there will always be a need for online, governor responsive generation to follow the changes in load.
So do power lines.
Cleaning them doesn't require "fossil fuels", either.
Yeah it's totally dumb. The school districts out here have been installing solar panels covering their parking lots like giant 16' high carports. It's really smart. They need to do that everywhere. Instead of putting giant solar farms out in the country and running miles of powerlines, they need to split them up in smaller groups and cover shopping mall, football stadium, and Walmart parking lots. You don't ruin natural ground that way, get rid of power lines, shade your cars, and offset the "heat island" effect you get from that blacktop absorbing all that heat during the day.One issue I have with solar farms is putting them in places where naturally, there would be a forest there. I see a lot of this in North Carolina.
That's counter productive.
A couple of months ago, I was in Salt Lake City, doing some work at a new substation. Going through the heart of the city from east to west and up and over the mountains were massive 235,000 volt transmission lines. Talking with the linemen at the substation about it, they said it’s from coal plants in n Wyoming and the power was being sent to California. They were laughing because it’s a way that California can say they’re green because they’re technically not using fossil fuels, just some of the power that is being imported is.
Actually, it depends on what is generating the electricity that the pump is running on…
c’mon man
The point of the thread is that they weren't "importing" at the time.A couple of months ago, I was in Salt Lake City, doing some work at a new substation. Going through the heart of the city from east to west and up and over the mountains were massive 235,000 volt transmission lines. Talking with the linemen at the substation about it, they said it’s from coal plants in n Wyoming and the power was being sent to California. They were laughing because it’s a way that California can say they’re green because they’re technically not using fossil fuels, just some of the power that is being imported is.
Solar panels generate that electricity
Which is what the thread is about...
I think what @Chuck C is saying is that California may be getting its generation from non-renewable resources generated from outside of the state.
If anyone thinks that renewables can totally replace fossil fuel generation they are wrong. Wind and solar are good because there is zero fuel costs with them. Also much lower labor costs. But there will always be a need for online, governor responsive generation to follow the changes in load.
If the renewable generation equals the total state load, for however long it was, then they were running on 100% renewable energy. The power flowing into the state would equal the power flowing out on other tie lines.I think what @Chuck C is saying is that California may be getting its generation from non-renewable resources generated from outside of the state.
Not mad, everybody wants renewable clean energy. Just not fathomable for another 50-70 years. We are “mad” at the 100% misleading headline.
Yeah, another one of those unverifiable anecdotes these types love as their proof for everything.A couple of months ago, I was in Salt Lake City, doing some work at a new substation. Going through the heart of the city from east to west and up and over the mountains were massive 235,000 volt transmission lines. Talking with the linemen at the substation about it, they said it’s from coal plants in n Wyoming and the power was being sent to California. They were laughing because it’s a way that California can say they’re green because they’re technically not using fossil fuels, just some of the power that is being imported is.
Because a lot of people have been claiming this is all of waste of time, global warming is a hoax, and fossil fuels will always be superior. To acknowledge that this is a good thing would create some severe cognitive dissonance.I don't get the feeling that everybody wants renewable clean energy. It seems like something people would obviously want but that doesn't appear to be the case. The negativity comes out any time somebody posts something positive about renewable clean energy. Solar, wind, hydro, EVs etc...
There's definitely a group that seems to think all of that is just a big waste of time.