Cam Miller NDSU QB

[SCHawkeye99]

Cam Miller - North Dakota State Bison Quarterback - ESPN

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19/22
196 yds
2 TD's
QBR 192

121 yds rushing

FCS National Championship


Brian and Kirk passed on this kid from Solon, IA while they played QB's who couldn't run or pass in McNamara and Deacon Hill. With 3 or 4 other recruits who were not good enough to play the position.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

Let’s be honest 99% of fans would’ve been pissed if recruited here as a qb let alone if he came would’ve switched him positions. Cam was already firmly entrenched as Qb when we brought in deacon and Cade. However last couple of qbs tells us how bad Kirk, Brian and budmyer have been at evaluating qbs. See 2 of them transfer to Elon and Utah tech…. I at least have faith in Lester. Little time he had he brought in 2 guys who ended up being our best wr and qb last year with Sullivan and gill.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Let’s be honest 99% of fans would’ve been pissed if recruited here as a qb let alone if he came would’ve switched him positions. Cam was already firmly entrenched as Qb when we brought in deacon and Cade. However last couple of qbs tells us how bad Kirk, Brian and budmyer have been at evaluating qbs. See 2 of them transfer to Elon and Utah tech…. I at least have faith in Lester. Little time he had he brought in 2 guys who ended up being our best wr and qb last year with Sullivan and gill.

I'd add picking up Jackson Stratton as a walk on....I thought he played better than Deacon.

 

[nu2u]

19/22
196 yds
2 TD's
QBR 192

121 yds rushing

Look at Miller’s career stats. He is a true dual threat QB. 10+ rush attempts per game not unusual. NDSU was a program where he could use the full expression of his skills. Is there any doubt that Brian and Kirk would have shut down Miller’s option to run if he attended Iowa?

Gronkowski is the same mold as Miller.

 

[hexumhawk]

Look at Miller’s career stats. He is a true dual threat QB. 10+ rush attempts per game not unusual. NDSU was a program where he could use the full expression of his skills. Is there any doubt that Brian and Kirk would have shut down Miller’s option to run if he attended Iowa?

Gronkowski is the same mold as Miller.

Correct. I would say Gronkowski is a little bigger and maybe not quite as shifty but pretty similar.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

It's one thing to be able to evaluate talent, it's another thing to get them to come to Iowa.

Without looking, I'd guess that every QB Iowa recruited since Nate Stanley had a very short list of offers and likely none from P4 (P5), These are the guys Iowa could get, not necessarily the ones they wanted. I'm not even sure how big the list was for Stanzi, Beathard and Stanley. Brad Banks and Drew Tate - how much competition was there for those guys? Geez, I remember being dam happy when JC signed with Iowa.

Of course, that's on KF, BF, GD, KOK and the whole offensive strategy in the last 20 years. Top QB's and WR's don't want to come here.

 

[NCHawkeye24]

Correct. I would say Gronkowski is a little bigger and maybe not quite as shifty but pretty similar.

Gronkowski would be a beast, nobody would be able to tackle that guy in the wildcat and just think of the possibilities with a WR pass and him on a wheel route. Mismatch city baby!

Gronowski would be pretty good too.

 

[ozzie8]

Iowa would’ve wrecked him. Worked out for the best for him.

 

[Easthawk1062]

Other programs have its issues with QB misses and guys who never develop like they’d hope but it’s almost unbelievable how bad it’s been for the last handful of years for the Hawks.

 

[jhoosh43]

It's one thing to be able to evaluate talent, it's another thing to get them to come to Iowa.

Without looking, I'd guess that every QB Iowa recruited since Nate Stanley had a very short list of offers and likely none from P4 (P5), These are the guys Iowa could get, not necessarily the ones they wanted. I'm not even sure how big the list was for Stanzi, Beathard and Stanley. Brad Banks and Drew Tate - how much competition was there for those guys? Geez, I remember being dam happy when JC signed with Iowa.

Of course, that's on KF, BF, GD, KOK and the whole offensive strategy in the last 20 years. Top QB's and WR's don't want to come here.

Why not just look it up instead of spouting off guesses?

2017 Peyton Mansell: 13, no P5
2018 Petras: 14 offers, Oregon State, Cal, Syracuse
2019 Padilla: 14 offers, including Georgia (wow, I didn't remember that)
2020 Deuce Hogan: 12 offers, GA, TN, Ok St, Baylor, CO, Syr, BC, Hou, IA St
2021 Labas: 7 offers, no P5
2022 Carson May: 3 offers, no P5
2023 Lainez: 8 offers, Illinois, MI St, Louisville, Pitt, WV
2024 Resar: GA Tech, Indiana, NC, WF
2025 Jimmy Sullivan: 11 offers, Illinois, MI St, Minnesota

 

[amahawk]

Kirks recruiting and development of quarterbacks has been a horrendous failure.

 

[Max_Rebo]

Cam Miller was in the high school Class of 2020. The QB we signed in that class was Deuce Hogan. Obviously, Miller has had a far better career than Hogan. But honestly, back in 2019, who would you rather have had Iowa sign -- Cam Miller, a 0-star recruit, whose only other offers were UNI, North Dakota State, and South Dakota State; or Deuce Hogan, a 4-star recruit, whose other offers included Georgia, Colorado, Tennessee, Oklahoma State, and several others?

Now, that said, one of the things I've been critical about in our QB recruiting over the years has been locking in on only one QB prospect in every class. It hasn't worked out well. In Kirk's early years, we regularly signed multiple QBs in each class, which gave us more options. We are starting to see the same thing now under Lester (though that could just be out of a need to rebuild the room).

Perhaps a better move back in 2019 would have been to have offered both Hogan and Miller.

 

[BonzoFury]

Kirks recruiting and development of quarterbacks has been a horrendous failure.

T shirt on sale outside Kinnick next fall.

 

[QChawks]

it's less about the QB but more so about the system, protection and receiving talent

Iowa could bring in Mahomes and he'd struggle moving the chains behind this offensive group

 

[Garzatough85]

Look at Miller’s career stats. He is a true dual threat QB. 10+ rush attempts per game not unusual. NDSU was a program where he could use the full expression of his skills. Is there any doubt that Brian and Kirk would have shut down Miller’s option to run if he attended Iowa?

Gronkowski is the same mold as Miller.

How does any professional coach keep his job when he shows an inability to update play schemes to maximize QB skill sets? Only a complete incompetent moron keeps trying to shove QBs into a set scheme when the scheme is obviously not working and obviously isn’t utilizing the QBs skill sets. Is Kirk this stupid or this stubborn!?!
Signed, a completely confused and frustrated fan

 

[Garzatough85]

it's less about the QB but more so about the system, protection and receiving talent

Iowa could bring in Mahomes and he'd struggle moving the chains behind this offensive group

Knowing our coaching teams past; they would turn Mahomes into a pure pocket passer behind a mediocre OL and crush him in 1 season.

 

[NevadaHawk]

Cam Miller - North Dakota State Bison Quarterback - ESPN

View the profile of North Dakota State Bison Quarterback Cam Miller on ESPN. Get the latest news, live stats and game highlights.

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19/22
196 yds
2 TD's
QBR 192

121 yds rushing

FCS National Championship


Brian and Kirk passed on this kid from Solon, IA while they played QB's who couldn't run or pass in McNamara and Deacon Hill. With 3 or 4 other recruits who were not good enough to play the position.

McNamara was a starter at Michigan and if not for the knee injuries he may have turned out to be a good QB. I seem to remember this board being pretty excited about him when it was first announced he was transferring to Iowa.

 

[BGHAWK]

The QBs they've recruited has not been the problem. The O line has not performed lately, and the scheme to get WRs open doesn't exist.

 

[BrotherHawkeye]

McNamara was a starter at Michigan and if not for the knee injuries he may have turned out to be a good QB. I seem to remember this board being pretty excited about him when it was first announced he was transferring to Iowa.

I agree there was excitement when McNamara agreed to come to Iowa, me included. I thought 2023 and 2024 were going to be really good seasons for the offense. But his raft of injuries were too much for him to overcome, and he simply did not perform to the level that everyone expected to see from him. 2023 ended early for him, and I don't think he was truly healthy in the games he did play.

As for 2024, I think it needs to be noted that it was not his fault that he kept playing this year. The coaches kept putting him out there, what was he to do, refuse to go out? I will grant that that the end of the season for McNamara was bizarre, and his time at Iowa did not end well.

 

[Beattheohiostate]

Cam Miller - North Dakota State Bison Quarterback - ESPN

View the profile of North Dakota State Bison Quarterback Cam Miller on ESPN. Get the latest news, live stats and game highlights.

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19/22
196 yds
2 TD's
QBR 192

121 yds rushing

FCS National Championship


Brian and Kirk passed on this kid from Solon, IA while they played QB's who couldn't run or pass in McNamara and Deacon Hill. With 3 or 4 other recruits who were not good enough to play the position.

That is coaching malfeasance of the highest order. Except for Sullivan, for six ugly years Iowa hasn't had a QB on the roster that could carry that Solon kid's cleats. The thought that KF kept saying Hill and McNamara--and Petras before that--gave Iowa "the best chance to win" is sickening in the context of major college football.

 

[jonesy5960]

I'd add picking up Jackson Stratton as a walk on....I thought he played better than Deacon.

We haven't seen enough of Stratton to know what he can/can't do.

 

[jonesy5960]

The QBs they've recruited has not been the problem. The O line has not performed lately, and the scheme to get WRs open doesn't exist.

It's been everything. You left out the root cause which was Brian and Kirk. You can't be worst in the country without everything lacking.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

We haven't seen enough of Stratton to know what he can/can't do.

Agree. My point was it was a pretty good pick up for a walk on. I saw enough to come to the opinion that he threw a better ball than the starter for most of the 2023 season. He wasn't asked to do much but he did it pretty well IMO.

CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	RTG
21	35	60.0	219	6.3	1	0	72	122.0

 

[BurgHawk87]

Agree. My point was it was a pretty good pick up for a walk on. I saw enough to come to the opinion that he threw a better ball than the starter for most of the 2023 season. He wasn't asked to do much but he did it pretty well IMO.

CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	RTG
21	35	60.0	219	6.3	1	0	72	122.0

I'm not sold that 72 yard TD pass wasn't a lateral. I know it doesn't matter in the grand scheme but it still matters to me dammit.

 

[Bierhalter]

I look at this as pretty similar to David Johnson who played at UNI. If you had an Iowa HS QB with a bunch of power-conference offers, who wanted to come to Iowa, but the coaches didn't really want him, that would be puzzling to say the least. But if you're going to get mad at Iowa for not getting Miller, you might as well get mad at the 130 some FBS schools that didn't offer him a scholly, either.

 

[jonesy5960]

Agree. My point was it was a pretty good pick up for a walk on. I saw enough to come to the opinion that he threw a better ball than the starter for most of the 2023 season. He wasn't asked to do much but he did it pretty well IMO.

CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	RTG
21	35	60.0	219	6.3	1	0	72	122.0

Yeah. The bar for QB play is so low at Iowa that anyone displaying a hint of ability and competence looks like a great prospect. Putting Hill out there reflected really poorly on the program. The only positive was that he became the nail in the coffin of Brian's Iowa career.

 

[desihawk]

one year of lester was enough to convince me the offense will never be futile again. the qb room right now is an order of magnitude better than it has been in 5 years. it would be great to get another championship caliber proven qb but even without top talent i could see the offense being at least above average going forward. and lester doesn't just sit and accept shitty play game after game, he actually subs and almost always it's been the right move.

 

[jonesy5960]

I look at this as pretty similar to David Johnson who played at UNI. If you had an Iowa HS QB with a bunch of power-conference offers, who wanted to come to Iowa, but the coaches didn't really want him, that would be puzzling to say the least. But if you're going to get mad at Iowa for not getting Miller, you might as well get mad at the 130 some FBS schools that didn't offer him a scholly, either.

Can the same be said for Gronowski?

 

[Bierhalter]

Can the same be said for Gronowski?

Sure. Think I read here that Miller is supposed to be more highly regarded, anyway. That said, I think both of them could be good QBs for Iowa.

 

[DewHawk]

Kirks recruiting and development of quarterbacks has been a horrendous failure.

agreed. Ferentz admitted he did not know s*** about QB's and he is 100% correct. The guy is like a bad joke IMO.

 

[jonesy5960]

I'm not sold that 72 yard TD pass wasn't a lateral. I know it doesn't matter in the grand scheme but it still matters to me dammit.

Yeah. If I'm allocating credit for that 72 yard pass, I'd give 80% to KJ, 15% to the oline, and 5% to Stratton. KJ went full Superman on that play.

 

[DewHawk]

How does any professional coach keep his job when he shows an inability to update play schemes to maximize QB skill sets? Only a complete incompetent moron keeps trying to shove QBs into a set scheme when the scheme is obviously not working and obviously isn’t utilizing the QBs skill sets. Is Kirk this stupid or this stubborn!?!
Signed, a completely confused and frustrated fan

Arrogance breeds stupidity and Ferentz is King

 

[BrewHawk]

Cam Miller wouldn't have developed at Iowa the way he did at NDSU.

 

[DewHawk]

I look at this as pretty similar to David Johnson who played at UNI. If you had an Iowa HS QB with a bunch of power-conference offers, who wanted to come to Iowa, but the coaches didn't really want him, that would be puzzling to say the least. But if you're going to get mad at Iowa for not getting Miller, you might as well get mad at the 130 some FBS schools that didn't offer him a scholly, either.

The other 130 schools were not within 10 miles of a kid who probably wanted to play at Iowa is whole life. Big difference IMO.

 

[DewHawk]

Cam Miller wouldn't have developed at Iowa the way he did at NDSU.

this is true because of Ferentz

 

[BrotherHawkeye]

I'm not sold that 72 yard TD pass wasn't a lateral. I know it doesn't matter in the grand scheme but it still matters to me dammit.

I'd love for Iowa to go back and determine it was a lateral and give Kaleb the rushing yards, putting him over 1600.

He gave us a lot of plays of the year, but that was the playiest play of the year.

 

[coorsoriginal02]

Cam Miller - North Dakota State Bison Quarterback - ESPN

View the profile of North Dakota State Bison Quarterback Cam Miller on ESPN. Get the latest news, live stats and game highlights.

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19/22
196 yds
2 TD's
QBR 192

121 yds rushing

FCS National Championship


Brian and Kirk passed on this kid from Solon, IA while they played QB's who couldn't run or pass in McNamara and Deacon Hill. With 3 or 4 other recruits who were not good enough to play the position.

You just hope Kirk realizes he and his staff have done a terrible, terrible job recruiting and utilizing players over several years at the quarterback position.

 

[Hawkeye Marching Band]

Hindsight is 20/20, as they say. Some guys are late bloomers and/or get stuck behind someone else in high school. (Ben Roethlisberger didn't start until his senior year.) Some guys go unnoticed because they play at small schools or for bad teams. Still other guys hit their ceilings early. Just for fun I looked up Deacon Hill's high school recruiting profile on 247 and see that they had him as a 4-star recruit with P5 offers Kansas State and UCLA to go with the one he took from Wisconsin. What's more, national recruiting analyst Gene Biggins projected him as a day 3 NFL draft prospect.

"Big, strong signal caller with a powerful down field arm. Might have the strongest arm in the ’21 class but is more then just a big arm, he’s a pure thrower who can change speeds and throws with timing and anticipation. Is accurate to all three levels of the field and boasts a quick, tight release and doesn’t need much of a wind up to get the ball down the field. Has worked hard to re-shape his body in the off-season and dropped about 20 pounds. Can still improve athletically and in his ability to extend plays and get outside the pocket but ins’t a bad athlete at all and does show good pocket presence and feel. The gene pool is strong in his family as well with three older sisters who played at the elite national level in water polo. He’s developing fast and shows the upside to be an upper tier Power 5 starter and future mid-high round NFL draft pick."

https://247sports.com/player/deacon-hill-46053378/high-school-214183/

 

[BrotherHawkeye]

Hindsight is 20/20, as they say. Some guys are late bloomers and/or get stuck behind someone else in high school. (Ben Roethlisberger didn't start until his senior year.) Some guys go unnoticed because they play at small schools or for bad teams. Still other guys hit their ceilings early. Just for fun I looked up Deacon Hill's high school recruiting profile on 247 and see that they had him as a 4-star recruit with P5 offers Kansas State and UCLA to go with the one he took from Wisconsin. What's more, national recruiting analyst Gene Biggins projected him as a day 3 NFL draft prospect.

"Big, strong signal caller with a powerful down field arm. Might have the strongest arm in the ’21 class but is more then just a big arm, he’s a pure thrower who can change speeds and throws with timing and anticipation. Is accurate to all three levels of the field and boasts a quick, tight release and doesn’t need much of a wind up to get the ball down the field. Has worked hard to re-shape his body in the off-season and dropped about 20 pounds. Can still improve athletically and in his ability to extend plays and get outside the pocket but ins’t a bad athlete at all and does show good pocket presence and feel. The gene pool is strong in his family as well with three older sisters who played at the elite national level in water polo. He’s developing fast and shows the upside to be an upper tier Power 5 starter and future mid-high round NFL draft pick."

https://247sports.com/player/deacon-hill-46053378/high-school-214183/

For starters, I think he went the opposite direction on the whole weight issue. For another, he certainly held the ball like he was playing water polo.

 

[NevadaHawk]

this is true because of Ferentz

Our futility with pass blocking would not have helped his development either.