Can Bohannon play in only the first 10 games or any 10 games and still red-shirt

[Bryzzo]

Just a general question:

Can Bohannon only play in the team's first 10 games of the season or can he pick and choose up to 10 games that he appears in and still maintain his redshirt?

The Hawks first 10 games of the season are:
SIU Edwardsville
Depaul
Oral Roberts
North Florida
Cal Poly
Texas Tech - 1st rd opponent in Thanksgiving Tourney
2nd round opponent in Thanksgiving Tourney
Syracuse
Michigan
Minnesota

The next 2 games are at Iowa State and Cincinnati, so if Jordan can pick and choose the 10 games he appears in and still maintain his redshirt option, I would have him sit out the North Florida and Cal Poly games and play in the Iowa State and Cincinnati games before making a final decision to shut it down and take the medical redshirt for the year.

 

[BBHawk]

I believe it's a 9-game limit.

 

[Ronman]

It's an interesting question.

 

[BringIt2017]

That’s not how the medical hardship rules work I don’t think.... it’s not just granted as long as you avoid the maximum allowed games. I think they would reject the request if you messed around like this

Right?

 

[JAMAM]

Has to be early In the season

 

[CP84]

I think you just play him the first 9. If he's a healthy contributor in those then play him the rest of the way.

I wouldn't try to strategically plan his games for potentially his final season.

 

[skydog0784]

Medical Hardship Requirements
To be eligible for a medical hardship waiver, a student-athlete has to meet the following criteria:

• The student-athlete must suffer the injury during one of their four seasons of college competition or during the senior year of high school.
• The injury must be incapacitating. That means it must be a season-ending injury.
• The injury must occur prior to the start of the second half of the season.
• The student-athlete must not have competed in more than 30% of the season or three contests, whichever is greater.

All of these must be proven with documentation. That means medical documentation to prove the injury and that it was season-ending and participation information to show that the student-athlete did not play in too many contests.

https://www.athleticscholarships.net/2012/07/17/how-get-medical-redshirt.htm

Based on the above, I show JBo can play in 9 games (31 games including 1 BTT game * 30% = 9.3 games). The last game he could play would be the MD game on 1/10/20 - the 15th game of the season (i.e. half way through the season) provided that would be his 9th or less game played.

 

[hawk263344]

J Bo hasn't used his redshirt. Why talk about a medical hardship waiver? In football you can play up to 4 games and still redshirt. Houston's QB is doing this and he is a senior. Heck he is one of their star players and isn't even hurt.

 

[skydog0784]

J Bo hasn't used his redshirt. Why talk about a medical hardship waiver? In football you can play up to 4 games and still redshirt. Houston's QB is doing this and he is a senior. Heck he is one of their star players and isn't even hurt.

Because he couldn’t play in any games if he took a standard redshirt this year (and I think both he and the staff want to eek out a few extra games) + he has the medical case to be made this year + it minimizes his options next year if it would come down to it.

 

[Y2KG21]

J Bo hasn't used his redshirt. Why talk about a medical hardship waiver? In football you can play up to 4 games and still redshirt. Houston's QB is doing this and he is a senior. Heck he is one of their star players and isn't even hurt.

For an athlete to receive a standard redshirt, the NCAA requires that player not be involved in any competition for the year he is redshirted. Any amount of competition time, even 1 minute on a basketball court during a regular season game, for example, counts as a season of eligibility.

 

[Titanhawk2]

Medical Hardship Requirements
To be eligible for a medical hardship waiver, a student-athlete has to meet the following criteria:

• The student-athlete must suffer the injury during one of their four seasons of college competition or during the senior year of high school.
• The injury must be incapacitating. That means it must be a season-ending injury.
• The injury must occur prior to the start of the second half of the season.
• The student-athlete must not have competed in more than 30% of the season or three contests, whichever is greater.

All of these must be proven with documentation. That means medical documentation to prove the injury and that it was season-ending and participation information to show that the student-athlete did not play in too many contests.

https://www.athleticscholarships.net/2012/07/17/how-get-medical-redshirt.htm

Based on the above, I show JBo can play in 9 games (31 games including 1 BTT game * 30% = 9.3 games). The last game he could play would be the MD game on 1/10/20 - the 15th game of the season (i.e. half way through the season) provided that would be his 9th or less game played.

"The injury must be incapacitating. That means it must be a season-ending injury." Well that didn't happen. The injury didn't keep him from playing at all last year, the surgery was off-season and he played right away this year

 

[HeRKeYHoPeFuL]

I'm pretty sure the recovery from surgery would be deemed enough assuming he meets the timing guidelines (30% in first half of season), as long as they can document that he wasn't able to fully recover for the end of the season. The emphasis needs to be on that last phrase, however, so that is likely the option that they are looking at.

My guess is this is moot, as I haven't heard any negative reports about Jordan's health following his minutes in the exhibition game. I would guess they'll slowly ramp up his minutes in the non-conference portion of the schedule, and work on managing any issues the rest of the way.

 

[Auger]

If he looks the way he did the other night I would be fine if Fran shut him down now. No need to risk injury that could set your recovery back even further. Would much rather have a 100% healthy Bohannon next year then a unhealthy Bohannon trying to force his way through a long season this year.

 

[BBHawk]

For an athlete to receive a standard redshirt, the NCAA requires that player not be involved in any competition for the year he is redshirted. Any amount of competition time, even 1 minute on a basketball court during a regular season game, for example, counts as a season of eligibility.

For non-freshmen, the exhibition game is also included in this. So it's either a medical hardship or his senior season.

And I thought he played fine. He shot the ball extremely well, and one of his 3-pointers was practically from Coralville - nothing but net.

 

[kceasthawk]

Medical Hardship Requirements
To be eligible for a medical hardship waiver, a student-athlete has to meet the following criteria:

• The student-athlete must suffer the injury during one of their four seasons of college competition or during the senior year of high school.
• The injury must be incapacitating. That means it must be a season-ending injury.
• The injury must occur prior to the start of the second half of the season.
• The student-athlete must not have competed in more than 30% of the season or three contests, whichever is greater.

All of these must be proven with documentation. That means medical documentation to prove the injury and that it was season-ending and participation information to show that the student-athlete did not play in too many contests.

https://www.athleticscholarships.net/2012/07/17/how-get-medical-redshirt.htm

Based on the above, I show JBo can play in 9 games (31 games including 1 BTT game * 30% = 9.3 games). The last game he could play would be the MD game on 1/10/20 - the 15th game of the season (i.e. half way through the season) provided that would be his 9th or less game played.

The way I'm reading that, the injury has to be season ending. The injury was last year, and so was the surgery, at least pre this season. To me if he plays this season at all, he can't go back and say he had a season ending injury, since he's already had the repair done for the injury. THis may not be correct, but kinda shows why it all seems kinda grey......

 

[HawkRugged17]

The way I'm reading that, the injury has to be season ending. The injury was last year, and so was the surgery, at least pre this season. To me if he plays this season at all, he can't go back and say he had a season ending injury, since he's already had the repair done for the injury. THis may not be correct, but kinda shows why it all seems kinda grey......

See Naz Mitrou-Long (ISU) a few years ago (2015-2016). Off season surgery on both hips, played 1st 8 games of the season (including 38 minutes vs Iowa in his last game), and he then redshirted.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...-iowa-state-cyclones-out-for-season/77380322/

 

[skydog0784]

I'd offer Pemsl as another example. Played in a couple last season, shut it down for the season, and got the medical redshirt based on a past lingering knee injuries & surgeries. The ISU game (his last if memory serves) didn't render his knee injury as season ending / incapacitating per se; it's an ambiguous term & policy.

 

[walleye hunter16]

"The injury must be incapacitating. That means it must be a season-ending injury." Well that didn't happen. The injury didn't keep him from playing at all last year, the surgery was off-season and he played right away this year

I would wager a good % of players could find a way to do something on the court but that doesn't mean they are really ready to play well.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

J Bo hasn't used his redshirt. Why talk about a medical hardship waiver? In football you can play up to 4 games and still redshirt. Houston's QB is doing this and he is a senior. Heck he is one of their star players and isn't even hurt.

For the same reason we don’t get 6 points if Jordan carries the ball to the end of court.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

I would hold him out the first three games and then play in the next 9 before redshirting him.

 

[skydog0784]

I would hold him out the first three games and then play in the next 9 before redshirting him.

I'd do something like that too except hold him out the first 5 & take Kennesaw St off (under the premise he needs 2 continuous weeks to rest / rehab over Christmas break) bring him back for PSU - MD (to meet the 9 game / first half of season requirement).

I'm not sure the policy can be "gamed" that much as it may be seen as egregious but that would be the play if I'm interpreting the rule correctly & it could be pulled off.

 

[RocknRollface]

That’s not how the medical hardship rules work I don’t think.... it’s not just granted as long as you avoid the maximum allowed games. I think they would reject the request if you messed around like this

Right?

Theres never any consistency with the ncaa.

Pemsl played a random game last year.

There has to be a provable medical issue I think to play games and still get a shirt.

If I was JBO I'd be nervous about trying to get games in this year but Fran seems to think he has it figured out.

 

[BeepBeepInMyJeep]

Theres never any consistency with the ncaa.
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This ^

Playing him to start the season just feels like playing with fire. I even wonder if XF might influence the decision of if he wants to play this year or next. He might prefer playing a season with XF if it actually happened.

 

[BBHawk]

It's going to be a moot point. Bohannon is going to play this year.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

The NCAA has been consistent in applying this concept. I have no idea why people are worried about it.

 

[Y2KG21]

I would hold him out the first three games and then play in the next 9 before redshirting him.

Kinda what I was thinking. Why not hold him out until Christmas break, then let him play nine games. Better chance of surviving six weeks down the road. Also, he’ll know for sure if he can’t go. Could be that you need the break in time to get ready for the B1G.

 

[HawkTex]

That’s not how the medical hardship rules work I don’t think.... it’s not just granted as long as you avoid the maximum allowed games. I think they would reject the request if you messed around like this

Right?

He has not redshirted.

 

[BringIt2017]

He has not redshirted.

So? You don’t get 9 free games.

 

[Hawkdogwoof]

This ^

Playing him to start the season just feels like playing with fire. I even wonder if XF might influence the decision of if he wants to play this year or next. He might prefer playing a season with XF if it actually happened.

Interesting, if Weezy stayed, JBo is healthy, XF is a freshman, Patrick a sophomore, and Garza? That would be interesting. Maybe the most talent since....?

 

[Rifler]

That's why I think bringing Jordan back next year looks so intriguing...

 

[Ronman]

All of Jordan's measurables went down last season while he attempted to play through his injury. If he's not 100% this season, they could diminish even further. Without looking this up, I suspect he has broken or is about to break several Iowa records. If he cares about his legacy, I would take the medical redshirt and play next season when he's at full strength.