I have no idea ! OSU has got nine guys ranked in top eight,along with number 11 125lber! What say u guys? I project Zain, Nolf,and Bo to bonus their way into semis and possibly getting two champs.
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Can Okey State beat PSU at nationals?
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Can they beat PSU? It's possible, but I'd still favor PSU. PSU has multiple bonus pt machines with potentially LOTS of semifinalists - Suriano, Retherford, Nolf, Joseph, Hall, Nickal and even Nevills. Two guys are big favorites to become champs, with Nickal, Suriano and Hall all having a decent shot at making finals.
Okla St has only Heil ranked as #1, and he tends to have some close matches. Brock, Smith, Rogers, Collica, Crutch, Boyd, Weigel, and Schaffer are all ranked in top 8. But I see only a few of them making it to the semi's.
Since adding Hall, I think PSU is in the driver's seat.
Okla St has only Heil ranked as #1, and he tends to have some close matches. Brock, Smith, Rogers, Collica, Crutch, Boyd, Weigel, and Schaffer are all ranked in top 8. But I see only a few of them making it to the semi's.
Since adding Hall, I think PSU is in the driver's seat.
125:Fringe AA
133: Top 5
141: Top 4
149: Top 4
157: Top 5 if he gets healthy
165: Anywhere between 5-Rd of 12...this guy would worry me if he gets on a streak. Could mean a lot of bonus plus a finals appearance.
174: I am calling it...DNP
184: Another guy that can get on a streak and is tough to wrestle at the tourney 5-8
197: DNP
HWY: Has impressed me of late...could AA
The problem with OSU is that DRinger graduated or else I would pencil it in. They have no true favorites except maybe at 141 and he does not bonus.
125: Top 4 (but not a lot of bonus)
133: No Points
141: DNP
149: Top 2, Champ if he gets over the Flu
157: Champ
165: 5 to Rd of 12...Like Cenzo but he has one quality win over Rider and there are a lot of dudes ranked below him that can take him out come tournament time. Needs to let Cael do the Mind Meld on him
174: 3-8 I don't think he has the physicality to be a champ this year...he has everything else so a finals appearance would not shock me
184: 3-8 I think Bo has a let it fly attitude in the regular season and it makes him so fun to watch. I really don't think he cares if he gets "caught"...it's just his mentality. That, and he wrestles on a dual team that it doesn't really matter. However, in the NCAAs, he seemed to wrestle cautiously...at least for him. He had bonus in the first two rounds but then decisioned guys he would normally bonus. I won't be surprised to see him in the finals but it would be a shock if ended up the champ.
197: 2-2 or Rd of 12
HWY: I think he finishes top 4 and this is where PSU wins their title
It's like trying to find zits on a beauty queen...you know she has them but will they show themselves
Suriano 2nd or 3rd... Picc Low AA 7th/8th or R12.
Carpenter/Law 0 pts... Brock 3rd-6th
Gulibon R12-R16... Heil 1st
Retherford 1st/2nd... Collica 3rd
Nolf 1st ... Smith 3rd-5th
Joseph 5th-8th ... Rogers 3rd-6th
Hall 3rd or 4th... Crutchmer 5th/6th
Nickal 2nd... Boyd 5th-8th
McCutcheon R12 ... Weigel 5th-8th
Nevills 4th/5th ... Schafer 7th/8th
Idk, I think thats a pretty fair assessment, PSU has 6 guys in the top 4ish. plus Joseph in the 5-8 range. Way more high end firepower than OSU.
Carpenter/Law 0 pts... Brock 3rd-6th
Gulibon R12-R16... Heil 1st
Retherford 1st/2nd... Collica 3rd
Nolf 1st ... Smith 3rd-5th
Joseph 5th-8th ... Rogers 3rd-6th
Hall 3rd or 4th... Crutchmer 5th/6th
Nickal 2nd... Boyd 5th-8th
McCutcheon R12 ... Weigel 5th-8th
Nevills 4th/5th ... Schafer 7th/8th
Idk, I think thats a pretty fair assessment, PSU has 6 guys in the top 4ish. plus Joseph in the 5-8 range. Way more high end firepower than OSU.
Yes, if someone pulls the fire alarm at the PSU hotel early in the morning. Take a play from the Bellichek(sp?) book.
Absolutely. Will they? I would put it at 55%-45% PSU over OkState. This could all be spoiled if Bo Jordan comes back healthy and motivated. The way NaTo and M. Jordan have looked, tOSU could have 3 Champs and another top 3 between Snyder, BoJo, MJo and NaTo. That is a solid 80 or so points from those 4. If Martin AA's and K. Moore finishes top 4, they are right in the hunt. If they get any points from Rodriguez, Pletcher, Ryan and Burcher they could be hard to beat.
Losing Stoll really hurts Iowa's chances. At the beginning of the year, I really thought Iowa had a great chance to win. But, no Marinelli, an injured Clark(I am still picking him to win it all) and no Stoll, leaves them a gun or 2 short.
Losing Stoll really hurts Iowa's chances. At the beginning of the year, I really thought Iowa had a great chance to win. But, no Marinelli, an injured Clark(I am still picking him to win it all) and no Stoll, leaves them a gun or 2 short.
Anything is possible in wrestling. I think the most likely scenario for OSU to win involves Tonya Harding's bodyguard showing up with multiple bats, even then... it will prob just slow the bonus production.
PSU does have a couple holes.
Suriano is very tough but based on what I saw Friday, he will not be doing much bonus and I don't think he is in semi. I see 3 finalist for them and 3 to 4 other AA.
Okie is pretty consistent down the line and could AA as many as 8 with 3 finalist and a number in 3-4. They are very tough and make adjustments well.
PSU is given a lot of respect in these discussions. However, if people want to look past a tough okie team....be my guest.
Suriano is very tough but based on what I saw Friday, he will not be doing much bonus and I don't think he is in semi. I see 3 finalist for them and 3 to 4 other AA.
Okie is pretty consistent down the line and could AA as many as 8 with 3 finalist and a number in 3-4. They are very tough and make adjustments well.
PSU is given a lot of respect in these discussions. However, if people want to look past a tough okie team....be my guest.
Top 5 teams could really be interesting.....1. psu 2. Oky St. 3. Iowa 4. fosu 5. VaTech
Here's a breakdown of how I think things fall
125: Iowa 1st, VaTech 2nd, psu 3rd, Oky. St. rd. of 12 and 2-2 for fosu
133: Iowa 1st, fosu 2nd, Oky St. 3rd, psu and VaTech get Zero pts.
141: Oky St. 2nd, Iowa 8th, psu rd. of 12, fosu rd. of 12 VaTech Zero pts.
149: Psu 1st, Iowa 2nd, Oky. St. 3rd, Fosu 4th VaTech 5th
157: Psu 1st, Iowa 2nd, Oky. St. 3rd, VaTech rd. of 12 Fosu 1-2
165: Psu 6th, Oky. St. 7th, Iowa 1-2, VaTech and Fosu get zero
174: VaTech 2nd, Fosu 3rd, Oky St 5th, Iowa 6th, psu 7th
184: Psu 2nd, Iowa 4th, Oky St. 5th, Fosu 6th, VaTech rd. of 12
197: VaTech 3rd, Oky. State 4, Fosu 5th, psu rd. of 12 Iowa 1-2
Hwt:
Here's a breakdown of how I think things fall
125: Iowa 1st, VaTech 2nd, psu 3rd, Oky. St. rd. of 12 and 2-2 for fosu
133: Iowa 1st, fosu 2nd, Oky St. 3rd, psu and VaTech get Zero pts.
141: Oky St. 2nd, Iowa 8th, psu rd. of 12, fosu rd. of 12 VaTech Zero pts.
149: Psu 1st, Iowa 2nd, Oky. St. 3rd, Fosu 4th VaTech 5th
157: Psu 1st, Iowa 2nd, Oky. St. 3rd, VaTech rd. of 12 Fosu 1-2
165: Psu 6th, Oky. St. 7th, Iowa 1-2, VaTech and Fosu get zero
174: VaTech 2nd, Fosu 3rd, Oky St 5th, Iowa 6th, psu 7th
184: Psu 2nd, Iowa 4th, Oky St. 5th, Fosu 6th, VaTech rd. of 12
197: VaTech 3rd, Oky. State 4, Fosu 5th, psu rd. of 12 Iowa 1-2
Hwt:
Love your glass half full approach, I'd love to see it happen. However, your listing every Iowa guy as favorable as possible. Clark 1st and he got beat by Oky St and we will see what Friday brings. When healthy, I'd never bet against him. Topher 8th and he got beat by PSU and again, we will see what Friday brings. 49 and 57 I have faith, but not a given by any means. Meyer, don't see it. Love his win against PSU, just don't see him placing ahead of Hall. Brooks 4th, man I hope so. '97 - Hope we qualify.
OSU can win it, but yes... everything would have to fall their way.
Too much inconsistency from several weights and no bonus point machines. The bonus points alone equate to an extra wrestler or two for PSU. I think OSU will finish closer to Iowa than to PSU.
Too much inconsistency from several weights and no bonus point machines. The bonus points alone equate to an extra wrestler or two for PSU. I think OSU will finish closer to Iowa than to PSU.
Once again I would have to agree with Mitch here. Unless one of the big 3 gets injured or sick which does not seem to happen to there studs no one can keep pace with pinners. Which is exactly what those guys do and I envy it honestly. Nothing more exciting than pins and upsets at Nationals and it seems the Hawks lack in those areas. So does OSU for this particular comparison.
I think OSU win's it this year. OSU is stronger as a team across all 10 weights and while they don't have the bonus potential, I think a few psu wrestlers are over rated.
psu is not going to get many bonus at 25 and nothing from 33, never know what you are going to get with 41, 65 seems slightly over rated - possible AA, Hall would seem to be a stud at 74 but match him up against the wrong guy (longer athlete) and he could be on the backside early - he seems awfully small for 174. 97 is a round of 12 and while HWT looked good against our non HWT/HWT, I am anxious to see how he does Friday, probable AA.
As it looks now, we might see the head to head in the National Dual, which should tell us more about their young guys.
That being said, they will have 3 finalists, so it comes down to the supporting cast.
psu is not going to get many bonus at 25 and nothing from 33, never know what you are going to get with 41, 65 seems slightly over rated - possible AA, Hall would seem to be a stud at 74 but match him up against the wrong guy (longer athlete) and he could be on the backside early - he seems awfully small for 174. 97 is a round of 12 and while HWT looked good against our non HWT/HWT, I am anxious to see how he does Friday, probable AA.
As it looks now, we might see the head to head in the National Dual, which should tell us more about their young guys.
That being said, they will have 3 finalists, so it comes down to the supporting cast.
Quality over Quantity. Ok St doesn't have the deep horses and they don't have enough 7th places to overcome a team that can put 5 in the finals with 2-3 champs. Its PSU to lose and will be pushed hard by Ohio St.
Iowa and Ok state will be neck and neck for 3rd.
IMO many are also sleeping on Cenzo and Gullibon. Gullibon will AA. Hes coming around and he just has too much talent. Didn't he kind of just show you that in the the 3rd period at Carver? Carton isn't an AA. It was pretty clear to see the difference between them.
Iowa and Ok state will be neck and neck for 3rd.
IMO many are also sleeping on Cenzo and Gullibon. Gullibon will AA. Hes coming around and he just has too much talent. Didn't he kind of just show you that in the the 3rd period at Carver? Carton isn't an AA. It was pretty clear to see the difference between them.
Since it seems to change every year maybe I missed something. As far as I know they take the top Big10 vs top Non Big team and match them up down the line 1vs1, 2vs2 etc.. last year the Big10 teams were the home teams, this year the non-Big10 teams are the home teams.
Agree with the majority of your post but without Stoll in the line up I think the Hawks will be battling VaTech for 4th/5th place at Nationals. Believe Ohio ST and Okie St will have a good battle for 2nd place.
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